blkexec wrote:Are we really comparing two bench players? ELF and Kemba both have pros and cons. We can argue over those details, but it doesn't get us anywhere. ELF is gone and Kemba just left. By the looks of both games (ATL and Nets) I can say with confidence, ELF and Kembas days as a starter on the knicks are over.

Kemba is on a 11-10 team and Elf has single handedly lead the Suns to 17 straight!

If I'm wrong, at least I can admit it, seems you can't. I thought when we picked him up that Kemba added offense would be greater than his defensive problems. I was wrong and pointed out what not only Thibs did, but many professional writers. Yet you know it all, lol.

Philc1 wrote:

NYStateOfMind wrote:Some folks here are just rude and intellectually challenged, plus they can't read. Now that coach Thibs agrees with me, now Philc1 and others can also enjoy Walker in his warmups.

Learn to read people, no one wants nor suggested Elfrid was any good as a starter other than defense nor that he was Knicks starter material. CASE CLOSED.

Philc1 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:One thing I remember from Elf is that one "f$ck you" great game he had after being benched initially. His motivation is very questionable

Another thing I remember about Elf is how bad Knicks fans disliked his ass and how often he was trashed by our NY fan base.

Thibs was the reason why we were #1 D. COY. Brought a culture. Elf? Lol. How was our Defense the year before? Guy was a waste.

Kemba Walker? 4x All-Star previous 5 years? And our fan base is already giving him the Elf treatment? 1st year? Only 20 games in? And harping over some +/- stat when our starters as a team haven't gelled yet?

It's called Chemistry. Something we'll love about Kemva @ PG come....

Playoff time. Kemba will impact.

You'll see. And Elf won't be "missed" anymore lol

• What was our 2019-2020 record with Elf and no Thibs? Hah.

• what was our record last year 20 games in with Elf and no Kemba? Another hah moment.

You know how some idiot Jets fans baselessly credit Mangini with the 2 AFCG runs in 2009-2010? Some knicks fans are becoming Elf revionist historians.

Thibs picked Burks over Kemba in the rotation. Not sure how this development is you “owning” — last I checked Elf is still rotting on a bench in Phoenix on his way to the G-league in 1-2 years

Nalod wrote:Elf played 4 min last night. Booker got hurt. Elf is 3rd string PG. You can say all night he sucks. His team beat the warriors last night. He is not rotting. HE is vulnerable to being bought out down the stretch because of his contract if another player shakes lose and or an injury. But they are perhaps the best team in the NBA right now.

He plays behind Cam Payne and HOF CP3. CP3 plays with Booker who after a cold start to the season is playing insane. Not ELF. Nobody said ELF is playing insane.

Elf practices with the team every day. Hie is a part of that team. They are winning. Is he the reason? Perhaps not. But he is not pulling them down either. Was he the reason we turned it around last year? Not really. But he did not pull us down until the end of the season. But we still got 4th seed? We had Dennis and Frank. Still Elf was better. All three are still in the NBA.
Not stars. But good enough to get contracts and at some level are among the best 450 players in the whole world.
At this juncture Thibs felt (subjective) that Kemba is pulling us down. still 75% of the season to go.

It was a phenomenal 4 minutes

knicks1248 wrote:This is the first BAD move Leon has made

I can't get the KEMBA intro press conference out of my head when the press joked with THIB about Kemba playing back to back games. 7 weeks later is out of the rotation all together.

Lack of imagination. Everyone else knew this was a good possibility.

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:This is the first BAD move Leon has made

I can't get the KEMBA intro press conference out of my head when the press joked with THIB about Kemba playing back to back games. 7 weeks later is out of the rotation all together.

Lack of imagination. Everyone else knew this was a good possibility.

A "Good Possibility" means the it was more likely to happen than not...what kind of imagination you need for that

This was more risk than rewards, especially when your best ability is you availability..

What exactly are you upset about? Kemba was viewed as a long shot. Of course the media played up the whole "back home" angle to get clicks but did you buy that? He was a relatively low cost option. He may still have value in a trade and/or is insurance if someone is injured. But again, you can only be upset if you were the one that had unrealistic expectations.

HofstraBBall wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:This is the first BAD move Leon has made

I can't get the KEMBA intro press conference out of my head when the press joked with THIB about Kemba playing back to back games. 7 weeks later is out of the rotation all together.

Lack of imagination. Everyone else knew this was a good possibility.

A "Good Possibility" means the it was more likely to happen than not...what kind of imagination you need for that

This was more risk than rewards, especially when your best ability is you availability..

What exactly are you upset about? Kemba was viewed as a long shot. Of course the media played up the whole "back home" angle to get clicks but did you buy that? He was a relatively low cost option. He may still have value in a trade and/or is insurance if someone is injured. But again, you can only be upset if you were the one that had unrealistic expectations.

Kemba definitely has value...For teams looking for a scoring PG. Maybe a team that doesn't have a zillion ball dominate players and lacking some scoring.

knicks1248 wrote:This is the first BAD move Leon has made

I can't get the KEMBA intro press conference out of my head when the press joked with THIB about Kemba playing back to back games. 7 weeks later is out of the rotation all together.

Up your meds.

So when I or anyone else says:
“Charlotte took a pass, Boston dumped him, OKC bought him out……..at 18ml over two years, low risk.”
What expectation did you have and how ****ing stupid do you think we with your hindsight holier than thou act you pull?

Seems you gain nothing here even when presented with facts. Then make up your own ****.

For two season we watch the tandem of Randle & Barrett and when both are playing bad at the same time, we have a terrible first quarter from the starters, or a terrible 3rd quarter from the starters. It was mention at a Knicks meeting by Morris .. and us Knicks fans watch this for 2 seasons from our first and second option on offense make the starter lineup look like sshut !!!
Does Randle & Barrett have chemistry together on offense, or defense? Answer wisely?
Have Randle or Barrett had/have chemistry with any of their teammates in the past 3 season?
Who???

Kemet wrote:We all know I wanted FA Dinwiddle to be our first signing in the offseason.
We are 22 games into the season .. And Kemba is kicked out of the rotation !!!
Thats crazy/wild/and embarrassment. Did Kemba call-out Randle's poor defense and ball-hog, or Barretts poor defense and ball-Hog in the locker room or in practice ???
The Knicks above .500 record kicked Kemba out the rotation lol
What Kemba got to do with it ???

For two season we watch the tandem of Randle & Barrett and when both are playing bad at the same time, we have a terrible first quarter from the starters, or a terrible 3rd quarter from the starters. It was mention at a Knicks meeting by Morris .. and us Knicks fans watch this for 2 seasons from our first and second option on offense make the starter lineup look like sshut !!!
Does Randle & Barrett have chemistry together on offense, or defense? Answer wisely?
Have Randle or Barrett had/have chemistry with any of their teammates in the past 3 season?
Who???

He’ll be back in the rotation soon. You guys are like Jets fans celebrating like you won the super bowl after reading about Zach Wilson having a good practice in July

Why Elfrid Payton is being credited for last years #1 Defense (when it was all Tom Thibs, and not "Elf") is beyond me.

Are we forgetting how Elf was also a Knicks player back in 2019-2020 when we tanked to an atrocious record of only 21-45?

And now looking back, are we also forgetting how despite Elfrid Payton playing 45 games (with 36 starts) we still finished as the 23rd Defensive Rated Team back in only 2019-2020?

Why are some of us pretending 2020-2021 was his only year as a Knick and/or ignoring his 2019-2020 season with a 21-45 record and the NBAs 23rd rated Defense?

Yeah. Right. Such an impact player he is.

If Elf is such an impactful contributor, then why has Phoenix gone 15-2 during the 17 games missed this season (88.2%) and only averaging 3.8 points with a 3PT% of only .200%?

He stinks.