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Nalod
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10/31/2021  2:09 PM
Clean wrote:
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Clean wrote:
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EwingsGlass wrote:He needs to chill out. He’s got talent. And is doing the work. Just needs to trust his teammates to get him the ball in good locations rather than just deciding whether he has enough room to get his shot off. That 2nd unit might have to learn a few plays.

Im not sure why its a big deal to give Grimes his minutes for a 2-3 game stretch? Grimes is 6-5 and possibly the best 3 point shooter on the team who plays good defense. Its not about punishing any player its about making the team potentially better. If IQ played up to the minutes than this is a non starter but he hasnt. He didnt in the SL he didnt in the playoffs and hes had 1/6 good games this year. Ive seen plenty of teams manage the back of their line ups. Grimes could possible make the team better--thats the only goal IMHO.

Perfectly said. I love Quick but while he is in this slump if playing Grimes can make the team better we need to at least try it.

Thibs makes the decisions on rotation and PT. He also works with these guys every day and in practices. Grimes might turn out to be great as an NBA player but I trust the coach (who got us to the playoffs for the first time in 8 years and now has us at 5-1) to make the appropriate lineup & rotation decisions - including playing or not playing IQ. He's reduced his burn this year and I imangine if/when hea ready to sit hin, he will. Apparently guys like you and Briggs seem to think you know how to make the team even better than Thibs.

I love Thibs but he is not perfect. Have we forgot how not taking care of the Elf problem during the regular season caught up to us in the playoffs. Did we forget that we were one of the hottest teams coming into the playoffs with Elf starting? How did that work out for us? The it's working now defense only works until we hit better opponents and it no longer works. You can't even get away with it once team start game planning for you specifically. I want to fix it before we get to that point again. Its better to be proactive than reactive. We could end up at the end of the season with Quick in another slump and we just toss our Rooks out there to fail because we wanted to "support" Quick like Thibs "supported" Elf last season.

The rotation that made us hot going in, was the rotation that we went in with.
What was the “elf problem”? We don’t know do we? We have speculated only.
Thibs adjusted but it was “too late”. I saw ATL was deeper than us.
Perhaps kudo’s to Thibs for wringing all it out to get that 4th seed instead of what he did wrong.
And………While thibs did admit when taking the job he has changed, we just assume he is the same old guy always.
This year he unleashed dome MDA kind of ****. Thats a new look. He is adapting.
Grimes and IQ do different things on the court. IQ future is as a playmaker from what I can see from summerleague. He is not “Kemba Quick, or Trae Quick either” He is 6-3 without outstanding athletic gifts. If he can’t be a Mark Jax type guard he might not make it. Lou Williams had a silky game and created well. Quick is not like that. The foul line thing has been limited by new rules. He has to adjust. Lets give him more time.

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10/31/2021  3:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 10/31/2021  3:45 PM
Nalod wrote:The rotation that made us hot going in, was the rotation that we went in with.
What was the “elf problem”? We don’t know do we? We have speculated only.

I am not going to argue something as obvious as how bad it was for us to have Elf as our starting PG all year. If you can't see that Elf being in the rotation was a problem that we should have tackled before the playoffs you and Mark Jackson have something in common.

Nalod wrote:Thibs adjusted but it was “too late”. I saw ATL was deeper than us.
Perhaps kudo’s to Thibs for wringing all it out to get that 4th seed instead of what he did wrong.

People only seem to remember when I criticize a player or coach. I literally said I love Thibs in the same sentence I said he is not perfect. I also said I love Quick but he is not playing well right now and somehow I am freaking out for suggesting giving Grimes a chance at playing time during Quicks slump. The fact that Thibs benched Elf in the playoffs proves that he should have done it when many fans were asking for it in the regular season. Doing it in the regular season would have given our players time to adjust to new their new roles and positions on the court.
Nalod wrote:And………While thibs did admit when taking the job he has changed, we just assume he is the same old guy always.
This year he unleashed dome MDA kind of ****. Thats a new look. He is adapting.

I agree. I don't know why you added this in your response to me because I never said anything to disagree with your point here. I LOVE all the player and ball movement in his new offense. The only problem I have is them relying too much on ISO Randle in the clutch. I am sure people will forget I also said I loved his new offense now that I gave a criticism.
Nalod wrote:Grimes and IQ do different things on the court. IQ future is as a playmaker from what I can see from summerleague. He is not “Kemba Quick, or Trae Quick either” He is 6-3 without outstanding athletic gifts. If he can’t be a Mark Jax type guard he might not make it. Lou Williams had a silky game and created well. Quick is not like that. The foul line thing has been limited by new rules. He has to adjust. Lets give him more time.

The way I see Quick being a good player is by embracing his role as a secondary guard. He is not athletic so he has troubling breaking down the D as a PG. However, he has a gift of attacking a defense that is scrambling because Rose already broke down the D. Like I said in earlier posts even though this is where he excels he has not done it well this season because his shot has been so bad. At the time of the original post he was shooting 30% overall and 25% from 3. Since then those numbers have dropped to 28.6% overall and 22.7% from 3. IQ is an offenseive player and when his shot is so off he is not going to help us much. What is the crime in seeing what Grimes can do? It would be hard for him to do worse than 28.6% and 22.7%. Remember grimes also plays defense so he already has that over quick.
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11/1/2021  4:08 AM
Yes, it was a problem he could not fix. A problem in the context of a COTY performance. They still finished Hot. 4th seed with ATL and Miami slso hot. He pulled Elf. HE addressed it.
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11/1/2021  7:28 AM
Maybe the new rules are affecting Quicks performance like it has for Harden and Young and others who’s game is similar. I always felt quicks game on drawing fouls was similar to young. I need to see how other players are affected.
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11/1/2021  8:29 AM
blkexec wrote:Maybe the new rules are affecting Quicks performance like it has for Harden and Young and others who’s game is similar. I always felt quicks game on drawing fouls was similar to young. I need to see how other players are affected.

Nah, he is rushing shots and missing open ones, mainly off the dribble. He was drafted because of his long distance shooting ability. If he is not knocking down his 3's, he doesn't add much else as his float game is inconsistent. I know I am in the minority, but if Quick continues to struggle, I would love to see Knox get another shot. His length and athleticism on the wing would be an added element to this team.

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11/1/2021  9:35 AM
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Philc1 wrote:So now that Frank is gone Knicks fans need a home grown player to freak out over?

Im not sure why asking for Grimes to play 15 min instead of Quickley is a freak out? Hes a back end rotation player who hasnt played well.

Players have slumps. It’s been 6 games. Quickley was a good shooter in college and shot very well last year. Let’s give him a chance to get back to form before we declare him a worse Dennis Smith Jr

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11/1/2021  11:35 AM
They need to hang in with Quickley. Rose + Kemba's knees won't last forever...ride through the growing pains and watch it pay dividends later.
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11/1/2021  8:45 PM
Keep letting IQ get the minutes and playing the centers 24 without giving the extra to obi and it will catch up with us. The nba is differentiated by a few points
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11/2/2021  7:29 PM
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11/2/2021  9:19 PM
Quickley's shot will start to fall. If anything we are seeing growth. Some of those passes he never would have made last season.
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11/2/2021  9:20 PM
martin wrote:THREAD

How many of those dishes did we see last year?

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11/3/2021  1:28 AM
Quickley has been averaging 4 or 5 min of playing-time in the first half of each of our 7 games.
Quickley is an up-tempo transition player, and our new Knicks are a slow half-court 3-ball shooting team.
I'm sure u notice a few times when Quickley bring the ball down court he's the first Knick down court.
That's why Quickley & Obi Toppin should always be on the court together !!!
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11/3/2021  4:08 PM
IQ has looked very active and effective on defense. He's long. He looks a little stronger this year as well. Thibs trusts his guys. IQ is playing hard. Looking forward to him dropping 20 in 15 minutes one of these nights and I wouldnt be surprised if its tonight
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/3/2021  4:46 PM
fishmike wrote:IQ has looked very active and effective on defense. He's long. He looks a little stronger this year as well. Thibs trusts his guys. IQ is playing hard. Looking forward to him dropping 20 in 15 minutes one of these nights and I wouldnt be surprised if its tonight

No sir- for me, I don’t care if a young player has a great rookie season- 5 bad shooting games in their second year and I’m done with them- I want them off the team. Send them to G league or something. Also I don’t understand why players don’t want to come here.

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11/3/2021  4:55 PM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:IQ has looked very active and effective on defense. He's long. He looks a little stronger this year as well. Thibs trusts his guys. IQ is playing hard. Looking forward to him dropping 20 in 15 minutes one of these nights and I wouldnt be surprised if its tonight

No sir- for me, I don’t care if a young player has a great rookie season- 5 bad shooting games in their second year and I’m done with them- I want them off the team. Send them to G league or something. Also I don’t understand why players don’t want to come here.

what would Bill Billiecheck do?
"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/3/2021  10:48 PM
fishmike wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:IQ has looked very active and effective on defense. He's long. He looks a little stronger this year as well. Thibs trusts his guys. IQ is playing hard. Looking forward to him dropping 20 in 15 minutes one of these nights and I wouldnt be surprised if its tonight

No sir- for me, I don’t care if a young player has a great rookie season- 5 bad shooting games in their second year and I’m done with them- I want them off the team. Send them to G league or something. Also I don’t understand why players don’t want to come here.

what would Bill Billiecheck do?

Deflate basketballs?

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11/4/2021  8:18 AM
Philc1 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:IQ has looked very active and effective on defense. He's long. He looks a little stronger this year as well. Thibs trusts his guys. IQ is playing hard. Looking forward to him dropping 20 in 15 minutes one of these nights and I wouldnt be surprised if its tonight

No sir- for me, I don’t care if a young player has a great rookie season- 5 bad shooting games in their second year and I’m done with them- I want them off the team. Send them to G league or something. Also I don’t understand why players don’t want to come here.

what would Bill Billiecheck do?

Deflate basketballs?

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11/9/2021  10:58 AM
smackeddog wrote:
fishmike wrote:IQ has looked very active and effective on defense. He's long. He looks a little stronger this year as well. Thibs trusts his guys. IQ is playing hard. Looking forward to him dropping 20 in 15 minutes one of these nights and I wouldnt be surprised if its tonight

No sir- for me, I don’t care if a young player has a great rookie season- 5 bad shooting games in their second year and I’m done with them- I want them off the team. Send them to G league or something. Also I don’t understand why players don’t want to come here.

I love these threads. They remind us how after decades Knick fans dont understanding developing players because we have never done it. Have we resigned a rookie in a 100 years?

We are finally seeing an org and a coaching staff that gets it.

Also IQ has looked fantastic with 3 straight good games. Dude is looking like a legit future PG again. Gotta let these guys work through stuff.

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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11/9/2021  11:41 AM
I really like how IQ has been playing the last 3 games. He's taking good shots and making them and he's playing good defense. Might be our best defensive guard in this stretch.
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11/9/2021  11:53 AM
On to the next!
We might have to have a serious conversation about Quickley.

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