Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Trying to figure out if TT just has more trust in Rose, or is his starting PG only worthy of bench minutes.

TT is also trying to figure things out. Drose earned his finishig role by performing last season. IQ also when hot got to say and finish. Kemba has earned his opportunity and perhaps that window with a promise to start when he signed.
But he has to earn his keep and Thibs will play who gives the best chance to win. That was have seen time and time again.

Agree. Also, think that TT goes with guys that have it going. Problem is, sometimes he does not allow all the players to do so. He is also extremely comfortable with guys that have played with him in the past. The noise about Kemba is short-sighted. Except for the injury concerns. He is elite. However, it takes a PG more than 4 games to figure out when to look for his and when to set up others on a new team. Kemba will figure it out and I think will be more offensive-minded as the season goes on. If healthy, he will make us a much better team.

I get it. Im just not ignoring the sequence of events that Got Kemba on our doorstep for 2 years @18mm.
And there was little evidence that DRose would get his head together after his first season in NY under Phil. To entirely different scenarios.
4 games in, im enjoying the hell out of this but not ignoring the fragile state of those two guys and the age gap between them and the core of our team. Love Alec Burks too, but lets be real, we have got to get IQ, Grimes and Duece developed and perhaps look at the draft/trade into the future.

The wild card for contending THIS YEAR is on RJ. Then sustaining is on the health of Kemba/Rose. Fornier was a a great pickup given his age, contract, and the time line.
One season at a time………….Drose won over the fans big time and we adore Kemba. Thats good enough for now and they are playing well. Kemba has more upside due to chemistry with his new team but if not for the knee………..
Well, if not for the knee he’d perhaps either still be in charlotte or Boston!

Nalod, I think that last sentence is your entire premise - Charlotte or Boston didn't keep him, so therefore...

With 'therefore' being conclusive and written in ink.

No reason to play that game.

Someone who comes immediately to mind is Justin Verlander, who nobody wanted at the trade deadline in 2017. He passed through waivers and the astros finally traded for him a month later when the tigers agreed to pay part of his salary.

Verlander was thought to be on a downward trajectory that season.

You can write all the words you want about what you view as what happens next.

Just like 10's of thousands of words were written a year ago based on the commonly held wisdom the Knicks were a 20-ish win team.

Conventional wisdom was wrong.

Let's let Kemba Walker inform us who Kemba Walker is.

Not that he can't be that good if the Celtics didn't want him.

Did Verlander left detroit was it because he had a massive salary and they were rebuilding? Thats a different story than a team that did not want to resign him fearing his arthritic knee would not hold up and they were rebuilding.
Boston, a team with a core saw him as a finishing piece and signed him.
After two seasons they dumped him becuase of his knee.
Not my words, but the games he missed and a chronic medical condition. Your saying he can resurrect himself? LIke Drose? Ok, and they platoon? Thats different.
Now, would you have traded for Kembas salary from Boston even if the 16th pick came back? I doubt it. But we did not have to. Why? He got bought out. Why? Science. Arthritic knee.
Can he beat it? Yes, it can happen. Maybe treatments from Eastern Europe, maybe God? Maybe some old fashioned love.
I won't argue this. Do I hope he playes 65+ games and kicks ass. I certainly hope so. I love the guy.

Justin Verlander Did not pitch this season after tommy john surgery. Astros got two good seasons out of him. He resigned for two years, 66mil. He made one start in two seasons since. Not good.
Astro's were contending and they had the abilty to get him and it worked great. I hope this is a good comp and Kemba helps us as a finishing piece to contend. I dont' see us as that good but I'll be loud and proud if we are.

Its not like the celtics had any medical information or anything? right?

Are you suggesting the Knicks didn't give him a medical evaluation before signing him?

I still don't get it. Paragraphs and paragraphs trying to reach a conclusion nobody even needs to reach much less is in position to.

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

Nalod wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Trying to figure out if TT just has more trust in Rose, or is his starting PG only worthy of bench minutes.

TT is also trying to figure things out. Drose earned his finishig role by performing last season. IQ also when hot got to say and finish. Kemba has earned his opportunity and perhaps that window with a promise to start when he signed.
But he has to earn his keep and Thibs will play who gives the best chance to win. That was have seen time and time again.

Agree. Also, think that TT goes with guys that have it going. Problem is, sometimes he does not allow all the players to do so. He is also extremely comfortable with guys that have played with him in the past. The noise about Kemba is short-sighted. Except for the injury concerns. He is elite. However, it takes a PG more than 4 games to figure out when to look for his and when to set up others on a new team. Kemba will figure it out and I think will be more offensive-minded as the season goes on. If healthy, he will make us a much better team.

I get it. Im just not ignoring the sequence of events that Got Kemba on our doorstep for 2 years @18mm.
And there was little evidence that DRose would get his head together after his first season in NY under Phil. To entirely different scenarios.
4 games in, im enjoying the hell out of this but not ignoring the fragile state of those two guys and the age gap between them and the core of our team. Love Alec Burks too, but lets be real, we have got to get IQ, Grimes and Duece developed and perhaps look at the draft/trade into the future.

The wild card for contending THIS YEAR is on RJ. Then sustaining is on the health of Kemba/Rose. Fornier was a a great pickup given his age, contract, and the time line.
One season at a time………….Drose won over the fans big time and we adore Kemba. Thats good enough for now and they are playing well. Kemba has more upside due to chemistry with his new team but if not for the knee………..
Well, if not for the knee he’d perhaps either still be in charlotte or Boston!

Nalod, I think that last sentence is your entire premise - Charlotte or Boston didn't keep him, so therefore...

With 'therefore' being conclusive and written in ink.

No reason to play that game.

Someone who comes immediately to mind is Justin Verlander, who nobody wanted at the trade deadline in 2017. He passed through waivers and the astros finally traded for him a month later when the tigers agreed to pay part of his salary.

Verlander was thought to be on a downward trajectory that season.

You can write all the words you want about what you view as what happens next.

Just like 10's of thousands of words were written a year ago based on the commonly held wisdom the Knicks were a 20-ish win team.

Conventional wisdom was wrong.

Let's let Kemba Walker inform us who Kemba Walker is.

Not that he can't be that good if the Celtics didn't want him.

Did Verlander left detroit was it because he had a massive salary and they were rebuilding? Thats a different story than a team that did not want to resign him fearing his arthritic knee would not hold up and they were rebuilding.
Boston, a team with a core saw him as a finishing piece and signed him.
After two seasons they dumped him becuase of his knee.
Not my words, but the games he missed and a chronic medical condition. Your saying he can resurrect himself? LIke Drose? Ok, and they platoon? Thats different.
Now, would you have traded for Kembas salary from Boston even if the 16th pick came back? I doubt it. But we did not have to. Why? He got bought out. Why? Science. Arthritic knee.
Can he beat it? Yes, it can happen. Maybe treatments from Eastern Europe, maybe God? Maybe some old fashioned love.
I won't argue this. Do I hope he playes 65+ games and kicks ass. I certainly hope so. I love the guy.

Justin Verlander Did not pitch this season after tommy john surgery. Astros got two good seasons out of him. He resigned for two years, 66mil. He made one start in two seasons since. Not good.
Astro's were contending and they had the abilty to get him and it worked great. I hope this is a good comp and Kemba helps us as a finishing piece to contend. I dont' see us as that good but I'll be loud and proud if we are.

Its not like the celtics had any medical information or anything? right?

Are you suggesting the Knicks didn't give him a medical evaluation before signing him?

I still don't get it. Paragraphs and paragraphs trying to reach a conclusion nobody even needs to reach much less is in position to.

No, fans expectation on the Kemba hype as if we got this star player in his prime and no issues. Knicks got a bargain even if he is “Boston Kemba”. If he is better than that, and I won’t rule out medically as I don’t have his charts, we are a very very good team. im pegged in at 47 wins on logic, not hope. I hope Im wrong. WOn’t take away my joy. Guys get banged up. Guys with issues do.
If RJ takes the next leap and our back court stays healthy like we saw the other night we can contend. But RJ will continue to make progress rather than take a leap to all star levels, and Kemba will be what will be.
Thus I won’t whine about how “Knicks Lost” when its the other team that simply outplayed us. Just keeping it real.
This notion that Grimes and MCbride are secret weapons and Thibs needs to play them is not how that works. They are clearly not ready. If they were they would be in the rotation. Thibs and the coaches i have faith in. Some fans after a few bad games will thing “what do we have to lose”? Well, high end coaches don’t experiment and see what sticks. They are calculated. If you get frustrated, put in guys and they don’t do well you lose your team in the locker room, you cut the rookies confidence and your seen as one who panicked.