knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s gotta be put into top 5 rookie. Right now he’s gotta be over iq on the Knicks

It’s not Deuce vs IQ.

It’s Grimes vs IQ.

PGs going to be Kamba, Rose & Deuce
SGs going to be RJ, IQ & Grimes

At least that is the way I see it and if Grimes can shoot solidly I think his size, rebounding and D will put him over IQ.

Forgetting about Burks as well, and they signed Bacon. 96mins at G/F. If Thibs went conservative and gave RJ & Fournier combined 60mins on the wing. That would leave 36mins for IQ & Burks, Bacon, Grimes, Knox to try and compete over. And honestly Thibs probably gives them 34-36mins each leaving 24-26mins on the table. Expanded mins will depend on injuries and if they create some sort of rest plan.

I’ve got Fournier/Burkes as the SFs given Knicks seem to consider RJ a 2 (not me).

So I view Grimes as a 2 (SG) competing with IQ to back up RJ and Deuce as a 1 (PG) backing up Rose/Kemba.

Think Bacon is 3rd string SF at best but in reality we now have legit 5 guys RJ/Grimes/Fournier/Burkes/Bacon who fit wing description. IQ I don’t consider a wing even if he plays some SG.

The way I see Thibs playing it is when RJ or Fournier comes out. Burks will be the sub for either. Burks will lineup more so at the SG spot while RJ or Fournier will guard the 3. If Thibs decides to then take the other half of RJ or Fournier out and slide in IQ. Then is when Burks will need to slide over to the 3. They didn't give Burks $10mil per to be regulated to only backup SF. He is also a seasoned vet that Thibs will be most comfortable relying from the bench wing guys.

I also believe IQ will be the 3rd string PG over Mcbride. As Burks, Fournier, Randle have enough ball handling and playmaking ability to cover for IQs lack of PG skills for those situations. This is how IQ will be able to expand his mins throughout the season.

I will be very shocked if Mcbride or Grimes play except for injuries, garbage time, or very very rare situations.

I agree with you

Base on the minutes IQ and OBI played in SL, looks like they are really prepping them for bigger roles.

With Covid and injuries, Grimes and and Miles will see minutes

It’s gonna be tougher for IQ and Obi to get bigger roles. The best case scenario is that they are superior to their roles and are able to own the comp with efficient and stud like production within the below average mins they are going to receive. This will only help produce wins while having the time to build up their overall games without the extra pressure.

Panos wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s gotta be put into top 5 rookie. Right now he’s gotta be over iq on the Knicks

It’s not Deuce vs IQ.

It’s Grimes vs IQ.

PGs going to be Kamba, Rose & Deuce
SGs going to be RJ, IQ & Grimes

At least that is the way I see it and if Grimes can shoot solidly I think his size, rebounding and D will put him over IQ.

Forgetting about Burks as well, and they signed Bacon. 96mins at G/F. If Thibs went conservative and gave RJ & Fournier combined 60mins on the wing. That would leave 36mins for IQ & Burks, Bacon, Grimes, Knox to try and compete over. And honestly Thibs probably gives them 34-36mins each leaving 24-26mins on the table. Expanded mins will depend on injuries and if they create some sort of rest plan.

I’ve got Fournier/Burkes as the SFs given Knicks seem to consider RJ a 2 (not me).

So I view Grimes as a 2 (SG) competing with IQ to back up RJ and Deuce as a 1 (PG) backing up Rose/Kemba.

Think Bacon is 3rd string SF at best but in reality we now have legit 5 guys RJ/Grimes/Fournier/Burkes/Bacon who fit wing description. IQ I don’t consider a wing even if he plays some SG.

All this tells me that we have too many guys to play in games. Which means the best way forward is to consolidate some of these assets into an upgrade of one of the starting 5 positions. We're solid everywhere, but have only one tier 1B talent in Randall. Time to package up 3 or 4 players and net another top tier player - if possible.

Well this is basically what they have positioned themselves to do — pounce on a trade for a significant upgrade in talent.

They have converted cap space into tradable assets — tradable meaning solid players on reasonable short-term deals and a solid stock pile of draft picks. At the same time this is a very solid and deep team —- in the event a significant injury happens we may have depth to overcome.

Me personally I’m still holding out hope for a M Turner trade either soon or in Dec time frame. After that be ready to pounce on bigger fish if they force a trade with Knicks preferred destination.

Nalod wrote:IQ being more consistent would be a big upgrade. Let’s not forget he’d get in the doghouse last season. If the shot was not falling he needed to step up in other areas. True for all players!
Obi some thing. RJ steps up incrementally. Its been a quiet summer for him and it should be fun to see if he climbs another rung on the latter.
Big season for mitch1!!!
All this while dozens of players league wide are also vying for their piece of the pie!
And…………we seemingly have written off Kevin Knox!

Miles II could see some time given injury. Kemba I’d guess is doing some of that blood injection thing to his knee and they will give it time to heal thru rehab. Would not suprise me to see him miss first quarter of the season. But I’m just guessing.
Berman touts “our new Celtic back court”. Does this mean RJ is not at the 3? Is Burkes a 2 or 3?

Absolutely LOVE that Deuce is here now and for the reason you alluded to. IQ needs someone breathing down his neck regarding his shot selection and FG%. Deuce is that guy imo. Not to mention Deuce probably plays much better defense. But watching Summer League, IQ seems to be quite a bit faster at getting to the hoop. Curious how Deuce develops there.

Knox really looks like a great 3pt shooter. The problem is because of his defense, the coach won't play him. But he is 22, so with his length, perhaps his defense comes along. If we are going to trade Knox, then show the league 15 minutes of his shooting touch a night. People wanting to give him away in a trade doesn't really make sense. He has more value than "throw in".

Did you hear Kemba is going to do something for his knee? I thought he already did. He said he feels great, but that is to be expected and the guy is on Cloud 9 regarding coming home and being a knick.
If getting some stem cell or the like treatment would help Kemba be more ready for the playoffs, then I'd love to see us make a bit of a "sacrifice" and give Deuce more minutes at PG while Kemba is out.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:He’s gotta be put into top 5 rookie. Right now he’s gotta be over iq on the Knicks

It’s not Deuce vs IQ.

It’s Grimes vs IQ.

PGs going to be Kamba, Rose & Deuce
SGs going to be RJ, IQ & Grimes

At least that is the way I see it and if Grimes can shoot solidly I think his size, rebounding and D will put him over IQ.

Forgetting about Burks as well, and they signed Bacon. 96mins at G/F. If Thibs went conservative and gave RJ & Fournier combined 60mins on the wing. That would leave 36mins for IQ & Burks, Bacon, Grimes, Knox to try and compete over. And honestly Thibs probably gives them 34-36mins each leaving 24-26mins on the table. Expanded mins will depend on injuries and if they create some sort of rest plan.

I’ve got Fournier/Burkes as the SFs given Knicks seem to consider RJ a 2 (not me).

So I view Grimes as a 2 (SG) competing with IQ to back up RJ and Deuce as a 1 (PG) backing up Rose/Kemba.

Think Bacon is 3rd string SF at best but in reality we now have legit 5 guys RJ/Grimes/Fournier/Burkes/Bacon who fit wing description. IQ I don’t consider a wing even if he plays some SG.

The way I see Thibs playing it is when RJ or Fournier comes out. Burks will be the sub for either. Burks will lineup more so at the SG spot while RJ or Fournier will guard the 3. If Thibs decides to then take the other half of RJ or Fournier out and slide in IQ. Then is when Burks will need to slide over to the 3. They didn't give Burks $10mil per to be regulated to only backup SF. He is also a seasoned vet that Thibs will be most comfortable relying from the bench wing guys.

I also believe IQ will be the 3rd string PG over Mcbride. As Burks, Fournier, Randle have enough ball handling and playmaking ability to cover for IQs lack of PG skills for those situations. This is how IQ will be able to expand his mins throughout the season.

I will be very shocked if Mcbride or Grimes play except for injuries, garbage time, or very very rare situations.

I agree with you

Base on the minutes IQ and OBI played in SL, looks like they are really prepping them for bigger roles.

With Covid and injuries, Grimes and and Miles will see minutes

It’s gonna be tougher for IQ and Obi to get bigger roles. The best case scenario is that they are superior to their roles and are able to own the comp with efficient and stud like production within the below average mins they are going to receive. This will only help produce wins while having the time to build up their overall games without the extra pressure.

IQ is going to be getting a lot of time at PG this upcoming season. Kemba if we are lucky is playing in 40 games and Rose playing more than 25 minutes a night is a disaster recipe

CleaverGreene wrote:

Marv wrote:

blkexec wrote:I like this video. He's working on playing more down hill....Thats exactly what he needs to work on, which will open up that jumper and create even more space. This kid has greatness written all over him. His only problem will be playing time. But what he has going for him is thibs habd picked him and his toughness on defense. My guess is he will become our best PG defender 🤔, come mid season. Once he builds up more confidence.

yes yes yes

didnt know this kid from jesus but as soon as i saw his name connected with knicks/thibs and started watching video i knew he was “the one”

LOL...Exactly how I started looking at him. Saw "Thibs & favorite" in an article, and then looked for videos of him.

Impressed by some clips of him going toe to toe with Cade Cunningham. He seemed to relish the challenge, and might've taken the match-up personally, especially defending him.

I wanted him at 19 or 21, and after we took Grimes at 25 I thought he would be gone by 32...then 34...then 36.

Strange how things worked out.

By far the strangest draft I've seen for the Knicks. But overall, I can't really think of a better one in my lifetime, considering where we picked.
It is even more strange that Thibs really wanted the guy and we risked trading back to "get" him. I guess they really must have known where he might go.
Outside of Deuce's first step, I don't really have much of a criticism of him or his game. I'm sure he can improve, if his excellent lateral movements are any indication of what he is capable of.

With all the back to backs we have, along with Kemba and Rose's knees, coupled with Thibs loving the kid, I can't see Deuce not getting minutes.
They might even be substantial by the 2nd half of the season.

Kid is a bulldog and fits in with the team mentality (as does Grimes).

blkexec wrote:

CanItGetAnyWorse wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

Marv wrote:

blkexec wrote:I like this video. He's working on playing more down hill....Thats exactly what he needs to work on, which will open up that jumper and create even more space. This kid has greatness written all over him. His only problem will be playing time. But what he has going for him is thibs habd picked him and his toughness on defense. My guess is he will become our best PG defender 🤔, come mid season. Once he builds up more confidence.

yes yes yes

didnt know this kid from jesus but as soon as i saw his name connected with knicks/thibs and started watching video i knew he was “the one”

LOL...Exactly how I started looking at him. Saw "Thibs & favorite" in an article, and then looked for videos of him.

Impressed by some clips of him going toe to toe with Cade Cunningham. He seemed to relish the challenge, and might've taken the match-up personally, especially defending him.

I wanted him at 19 or 21, and after we took Grimes at 25 I thought he would be gone by 32...then 34...then 36.

Strange how things worked out.

By far the strangest draft I've seen for the Knicks. But overall, I can't really think of a better one in my lifetime, considering where we picked.
It is even more strange that Thibs really wanted the guy and we risked trading back to "get" him. I guess they really must have known where he might go.
Outside of Deuce's first step, I don't really have much of a criticism of him or his game. I'm sure he can improve, if his excellent lateral movements are any indication of what he is capable of.

With all the back to backs we have, along with Kemba and Rose's knees, coupled with Thibs loving the kid, I can't see Deuce not getting minutes.
They might even be substantial by the 2nd half of the season.

Kid is a bulldog and fits in with the team mentality (as does Grimes).

Duece and Grimes are knick type players. I believe the FO said we need a cultural shift. Thibs even said he wants to bring the 90s knicks back. This explains the type of players they drafted and added in free agency. Once that culture is secure, I'm sure the FO will start taking flyers on jalen Johnson type high risk high reward players. But right now, that foundation is looking solid. Can't wait to see them in action.

I'm no going to get to pump of these dudes because I feel like we have seen this movie before with a lot of our picks, especially in SL and even their first season...

RJ's, IQ and Mitch's growth next season will be a good indicator on our growth in the development dept