EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Randle is working 10x harder and smarter right now than OBI so who's miutes are you reducing..or should everything change for OBI

What do you base this statement on?

His track record

Its not a knock on OBI its just an unfortunate situation..He has a really good player in front of him on a stack team..

Where are you getting your information about how hard they are each working in the offseason? Everything I see show me Randle is working out hard and so is Toppin. Have not seen a single statement other than yours that Toppin isn’t working out hard to even a tenth of what Randle is doing.

Feels like you made it up to make your point.

I'm not trying to compare the 2 and it seems like that's what your reaching for. We all know OBI is putting in the work that's no secrete, and we all know Randles work ethic because his numbers have gone up every yr since he was in the league.

So if Randle comes in even better than last season, how does that benefit OBI. The only way i see him getting more min is to play randle at Center. It's a safe bet that Noel or Mitch won't play more the 65 games.

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Randle is working 10x harder and smarter right now than OBI so who's miutes are you reducing..or should everything change for OBI

What do you base this statement on?

His track record

Its not a knock on OBI its just an unfortunate situation..He has a really good player in front of him on a stack team..

Where are you getting your information about how hard they are each working in the offseason? Everything I see show me Randle is working out hard and so is Toppin. Have not seen a single statement other than yours that Toppin isn’t working out hard to even a tenth of what Randle is doing.

Feels like you made it up to make your point.

It’s imperative for a fan to see every video on each platform to gauge if he is working out hard or not. This includes pick up games. According to our 1248 savant Frank NEVER played pick up games. I cannot verify this BTW, but he has.
Randle workouts are legendary but lack pick up game footage but thats ok. Steve Mills gets to see them at home. Since OBI does not broadcast his workouts one must assume he does not work out like Randle.
Did Randle do the road trip Kobe get a game thing before last season? If so, why did it take so long? Did Mils know of Randles commitment to working out before 1248 did?
The Point: NBA players are mostly the top 1% in the world and there is a small degree of difference between the top and bottom of that range and there have been millions spent, and lord knows millions of hours trying to develop a formula to predict. Also the genetic make up of a player factors large.
For all we discussed about Frank few ever mentioned his biological time line other than he was still growing. Perhaps at 22 he is more easily defined. For all we know he might blossom at age 25 because his body finally thickened to the his ability. I’m not predicting this. Knicks thought process seems to have changed and we not waiting on younger players like Frank and Knox to grow into their bodies. Some teams might find a few nuggets that way. We will win some and lose some with a process but staying focused and confident in what your doing matters. Many ways to succeed. Knicks for years changed back and forth.
Hindsight is not proven to be effective when your ass is on the line and yoru job depends on it. For a fan its much easier.

For example………

1. Take 5 players and talk them up on how you like them.
2 maybe one or two will impress.
3. Boast how you said all along how you liked them. Forget the others.

Reality is you have a window to make a decision and take one. Maybe you have two minutes to choose. Your job depends on it. Your track record is there for all to see. Money matters. Now go ahead.

unstopaball12 wrote:As long as Mitch and Noel are healthy and Toppin can’t play the 5, the most
Mins he will get is around 10-14 a game

OBI has to ceased the opportunity right now from the start of preseason. Mitch is probably a 6 to 8 wks away from rotational minutes, and if you can slide Randle into the Center position giving Taj about 11 min, I can easily see OBI jumping to about 22 minutes.

The only problem is

Last year, a small-ball Knicks lineup that lacked a true center — Immanuel Quickley, Derrick Rose, Alec Burks, Obi Toppin and Gibson — had the fourth-best defensive rating in all of the NBA among groups that played at least 100 minutes together. Asked about the smaller look’s defensive success, Thibodeau pointed immediately to Gibson.

Knixkik wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Knixkik wrote:He doesn’t have the skill set for the 3 and isn’t stealing minutes from Burks/Barrett/ Fournier etc. he is a 4 that needs to develop into a stretch 5 in order to increase his minutes. The question is how much of that time is taken from Mitch?

Why box a player in to a position? He has more upside as a player than Formier. Formier is a better Bullock. Toppin has Shawn Marion upside. But for our team--he may have to play the so called 3 position because of randle.

He can’t play the 3 defensively or even have the offensive skill. It’s not boxing him into a position as opposed to doing him a disservice as a prospect. Unless the game dramatically changes it’s never going to utilize his best strengths properly. Best case is he ends up shifting between 4 and 5 and sees major minutes that way.

On offense what really makes it work is Kemba. Team cant pack the middle like they did with ELF, so it will be REALLY fun watching Kemba work the 2 man game when Obi is guarded by smaller players. This wasnt possible with ELF last year because he cant shoot at all

I think the Shawn Marion compare is fitting... he could play 3/4/5 next to guys like Amare or Dirk or Chandler or whoever because he could spaces the floor and was so long. I am an Obi-buyer and think he's going to be fantastic and just a guy you have to get on the floor.

Its a Houston/Sprewell type of thing and its very possible Obi ends up being the 2nd best player on the team