Nalod wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:I love Dame's game...he's a legit superstar and would be an amazing presence in MSG. But I do NOT want to trade for him. I love watching the development of "team" in MSG, with the leadership of Jules, the emergence of RJ and others. That's the fairy tale story I am looking for as a life long NYK fan...all the way back to our last chip and earlier (yes, I'm long in the tooth).

What I don't want are shortcuts, starphucking, and risky gambits JUST to go for a chip. Either path is a risk, there are no guarantees. But let's please just enjoy the ride.

The short-cuts, starphucking and risky gambits have yet to lead to anywhere close to a chip. That’s why I don’t understand why SAS demands we do so with Lillard. We’d have to give up everything for a guy that doesn’t lead you to a chip.

SAS has his fans and likes to stir it up. SAS wins with ratings, not what’s best for an athlete, the team, or its fans. He wants Lillard, then he can moan about how knicks could not surround him with winning talent.
Melo 2.0???
I hope I’d be wrong and Rose has a plan, but its not that it remains to be seen it has yet to materialize.
I bemoan how we panic about until we see the full picture and then how it plays out. I suppose Lillard I’d have to be the same. I’ll give Leon the benefit of the doubt. I just don’t want us to panic like we did when Dolan took over and orchestrated the Melo deal with Kronke directly. It was not Melo I objected to, it was the team that was left. I know we made the playoffs with him and it did help, but it was not sustainable.
We just had a good season with Randle and RJ. We can stay “OK” while building a war chest and developing players too. At some point it will make sense to go all in.

I was listening to WFAN recently and they were discussing how new Mets ownership and management likely reacted to fan and media gasbag pressure to sign Lindor and make other "splashy" moves that don't seem to be working out at the moment. Giving up young prospects was a big part of all this. You could certainly say the same thing about the Yankees and as we know the Knicks historically. Is it a New York "thing?" I've biotched many times here about the prisoner of the moment, as some might put it "starphuch" mentality. I mean geez read the many (not all of course) posts here since draft night. Do we get the teams we deserve?

KnickDanger wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Allanfan20 wrote:

Moonangie wrote:I love Dame's game...he's a legit superstar and would be an amazing presence in MSG. But I do NOT want to trade for him. I love watching the development of "team" in MSG, with the leadership of Jules, the emergence of RJ and others. That's the fairy tale story I am looking for as a life long NYK fan...all the way back to our last chip and earlier (yes, I'm long in the tooth).

What I don't want are shortcuts, starphucking, and risky gambits JUST to go for a chip. Either path is a risk, there are no guarantees. But let's please just enjoy the ride.

The short-cuts, starphucking and risky gambits have yet to lead to anywhere close to a chip. That’s why I don’t understand why SAS demands we do so with Lillard. We’d have to give up everything for a guy that doesn’t lead you to a chip.

SAS has his fans and likes to stir it up. SAS wins with ratings, not what’s best for an athlete, the team, or its fans. He wants Lillard, then he can moan about how knicks could not surround him with winning talent.
Melo 2.0???
I hope I’d be wrong and Rose has a plan, but its not that it remains to be seen it has yet to materialize.
I bemoan how we panic about until we see the full picture and then how it plays out. I suppose Lillard I’d have to be the same. I’ll give Leon the benefit of the doubt. I just don’t want us to panic like we did when Dolan took over and orchestrated the Melo deal with Kronke directly. It was not Melo I objected to, it was the team that was left. I know we made the playoffs with him and it did help, but it was not sustainable.
We just had a good season with Randle and RJ. We can stay “OK” while building a war chest and developing players too. At some point it will make sense to go all in.

I was listening to WFAN recently and they were discussing how new Mets ownership and management likely reacted to fan and media gasbag pressure to sign Lindor and make other "splashy" moves that don't seem to be working out at the moment. Giving up young prospects was a big part of all this. You could certainly say the same thing about the Yankees and as we know the Knicks historically. Is it a New York "thing?" I've biotched many times here about the prisoner of the moment, as some might put it "starphuch" mentality. I mean geez read the many (not all of course) posts here since draft night. Do we get the teams we deserve?

Not sure its that cut and dry. I don’t follow Mets. the do seem to starphuch for the gate
Yanks get big names at discount but they are talented so they get time to heal when injured.

Moonangie wrote:I love Dame's game...he's a legit superstar and would be an amazing presence in MSG. But I do NOT want to trade for him. I love watching the development of "team" in MSG, with the leadership of Jules, the emergence of RJ and others. That's the fairy tale story I am looking for as a life long NYK fan...all the way back to our last chip and earlier (yes, I'm long in the tooth).

What I don't want are shortcuts, starphucking, and risky gambits JUST to go for a chip. Either path is a risk, there are no guarantees. But let's please just enjoy the ride.

Smith's logic (which I'm not endorsing, just explaining) is that once Lillard got to NY, he's then recruit other stars (Embiid was namec-hecked) to follow.

So yeah, a Lillard trade would empty the roster, but then the premise is another star or two would come and you then fill out the roster like the Lakers have been doing the last few seasons.

Knickoftime wrote:

Moonangie wrote:I love Dame's game...he's a legit superstar and would be an amazing presence in MSG. But I do NOT want to trade for him. I love watching the development of "team" in MSG, with the leadership of Jules, the emergence of RJ and others. That's the fairy tale story I am looking for as a life long NYK fan...all the way back to our last chip and earlier (yes, I'm long in the tooth).

What I don't want are shortcuts, starphucking, and risky gambits JUST to go for a chip. Either path is a risk, there are no guarantees. But let's please just enjoy the ride.

Smith's logic (which I'm not endorsing, just explaining) is that once Lillard got to NY, he's then recruit other stars (Embiid was namec-hecked) to follow.

So yeah, a Lillard trade would empty the roster, but then the premise is another star or two would come and you then fill out the roster like the Lakers have been doing the last few seasons.

Tell me again what stars did Lillard draw to Portland? Nurkik? Melo? A cameo from Trevor Ariza? Enes Fucking Kanter?

Don't get me wrong, I love Dame's logo game, don't love his non-defense. New York is turning out to be hardly for anyone but the select few.

Steven A. remains a very loud noise with very little logic.

EwingsGlass wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:No way would I trade RJ for any 30+ year old player not named Giannis, Lebron or Luka. You have 2 years of growth, good work ethic, improved shooting and a player that doesn't rely on athleticism to score most of the time. And he is respectable/decent on both sides of the ball.

Exactly.

And R.J. Barrett is our meal ticket to Zion Williamson too.

These kids are more than just friends; they're best friends and Duke brothers. They wanted to team up @ Duke together and now Zion wants to team up with R.J. as NY teammates too.

Disrespect R.J. Barrett by trading him away for "Damian Lillard" and Zion Williamson will never come here and this will never happen....

And neither will this...

I'm telling Knicks fans right now. Zion Williamson absolutely loves R.J. Barrett. R.J. is his BROTHER. Fk around and disrespect R.J. Barrett and Zion Williamson isn't coming to N.Y. His bond is too strong and his loyalty is forreal to R.J. Trade away R.J. Barrett and Zion Williamson will laugh @ NY come his Free Agency. These kids really have love for one another.

R.J. BARRETT IS THE MEAL TICKET TO ZION WILLIAMSON

Now that Doncic just signed his max extension, prove to me that Zion won't.

Because he doesn't want to play for an awful Pelicans Franchise (neither did A.D).

And he already knows he can make 10x more money in NYC with the Knicks due to being a mega star within MANHATTAN.

Zion Williamson will become a Knick alongside of his brother R.J. Barrett.

NYKMentality wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

jskinny35 wrote:No way would I trade RJ for any 30+ year old player not named Giannis, Lebron or Luka. You have 2 years of growth, good work ethic, improved shooting and a player that doesn't rely on athleticism to score most of the time. And he is respectable/decent on both sides of the ball.

Exactly.

And R.J. Barrett is our meal ticket to Zion Williamson too.

These kids are more than just friends; they're best friends and Duke brothers. They wanted to team up @ Duke together and now Zion wants to team up with R.J. as NY teammates too.

Disrespect R.J. Barrett by trading him away for "Damian Lillard" and Zion Williamson will never come here and this will never happen....

And neither will this...

I'm telling Knicks fans right now. Zion Williamson absolutely loves R.J. Barrett. R.J. is his BROTHER. Fk around and disrespect R.J. Barrett and Zion Williamson isn't coming to N.Y. His bond is too strong and his loyalty is forreal to R.J. Trade away R.J. Barrett and Zion Williamson will laugh @ NY come his Free Agency. These kids really have love for one another.

R.J. BARRETT IS THE MEAL TICKET TO ZION WILLIAMSON

Now that Doncic just signed his max extension, prove to me that Zion won't.

Because he doesn't want to play for an awful Pelicans Franchise (neither did A.D).

And he already knows he can make 10x more money in NYC with the Knicks due to being a mega star within MANHATTAN.

Zion Williamson will become a Knick alongside of his brother R.J. Barrett.

It’s 100% that Zion will leave NO in a couple years. Whether he goes to the Knicks is 50%.

The NBA keeps rigging the draft for New Orleans every 5 years. Why? I get they needed Benson to buy the team but that’s over with. Was getting AD to the lakers that big a deal? That city could give two sh1ts about the Pelicans all they care about are the Saints and LSU