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VDesai
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7/30/2021  10:40 AM
Favors being moved in that deal maybe means that they aren't gonna part with Ingles or Bogdanovic to shed salary. Was hoping to get one of those shooters. Definitely feels like Hornets are the place to go shopping for a Guard right now.
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7/30/2021  10:49 AM
VDesai wrote:Favors being moved in that deal maybe means that they aren't gonna part with Ingles or Bogdanovic to shed salary. Was hoping to get one of those shooters. Definitely feels like Hornets are the place to go shopping for a Guard right now.

Bogdanovic is overpaid but not easily replaceable. I think they felt they need him to make another run. Still, assuming they need to make 30+ per year offer to keep Conley, UTA will be deep into the luxury tax. I hope Gabrielle Union has been saving up those 7th Heaven residuals checks.

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7/30/2021  10:55 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/30/2021  11:02 AM
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gradyandrew wrote:I missed the Plumlee trade during the draft. It adds enough salary that CHA probably wont enter Free Agency. That's good news for anyone hoping to land Lonzo- I felt that if LaMelo wanted his brother there and vice versa, CHA had the sibling trump card. After drafting Bouknight, I don't see how they could find playtime for him, Monk, and Graham.

Article I read said Charlotte has 13mm left.

With them drafting Bouknight, I mean, you have to assume Devonte Graham, Terry Frazier and/or Malik Monk become more available. Devonte Graham is very high on my list.

Going by analytics and price, he should be the best fit. I just have this nagging fear he isnt a big stage performer. My preference for signing Lowry or Ball is that those guys love the spotlight.

My thing with SAS, I have too much respect for that org. not to think they are planning domething big. We Perry/ Mills really screwed up SAS by stealing Marcus Morris after he verbally committed to the Spurs and traded Davis Bertans to open space. They instead signed Demarre Carol, whose buyout is still on the books. I worry about SAS serving us Klingon gazpacho.

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7/30/2021  11:14 AM
VDesai wrote:Favors being moved in that deal maybe means that they aren't gonna part with Ingles or Bogdanovic to shed salary. Was hoping to get one of those shooters. Definitely feels like Hornets are the place to go shopping for a Guard right now.

either them, e.g., ROzier or Sacramento -- though wondering if Sac will trade one of its guards for KP because that seems like a very sacremento-like thing to do

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7/30/2021  11:59 AM
Chandler wrote:
VDesai wrote:Favors being moved in that deal maybe means that they aren't gonna part with Ingles or Bogdanovic to shed salary. Was hoping to get one of those shooters. Definitely feels like Hornets are the place to go shopping for a Guard right now.

either them, e.g., ROzier or Sacramento -- though wondering if Sac will trade one of its guards for KP because that seems like a very sacremento-like thing to do

Why because it would be a dumb trade Divac would make?

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7/30/2021  12:01 PM
gradyandrew wrote:Why is no one talking about the Spurs in free agency? They should have 40 million in space. I havent seen them mentioned anywhere as a potential destination for a specific free agent.

Utah saves some but not a ton by trading Derrick Favors to OKC. Knicks need a back up center so the fact that the Knicks didnt get involved makes me think they have bigger plans in free agency.

Certainly the Spurs are our major competitor for UFAs like Jackson or Dinwiddie right now, they may not be an “elite” team by their own standards right now but Pop is like Riley UFAs are always going to flock to him

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7/30/2021  1:09 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/30/2021  3:12 PM
On the Ringer podcast, Kevin O'Connor said he'd heard the Knicks were going to offer Fournier a contract the Celtics won't match (he and the ringer have lots of Celtics sources and they all seemed to act like the Celtics won't be keeping Fournier).

Also Bill Simmons said he'd heard CP3 staying with the Suns was pretty much already done so didn't get why Sarver said what he said on that radio show.

Also they hinted the Kings pick was basically just the owner over ruling everyone again, and they hadn’t even worked D-Mitch out. Said maybe they’ll look to trade Fox, but have no idea what the Kings plan is- I suspect neither do the Kings!

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7/30/2021  1:28 PM
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7/30/2021  3:13 PM
After the drafted Bouknight, looks like both Monk and Graham will be available/ not matched
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7/30/2021  11:48 PM
I think KAWHI Leonard is a pipe dream.


So give me Lonzo Ball and Duncan Robinson.


(we ranked #2 in 3PT% last year but only #21 in 3s made last year and both Robinson/Ball immediately changes that while spreading out the floor for both of R.J. and Julius Randle).


C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Duncan Robinson.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.


That's an extremely fun starting 5 to watch and remember these words....


• Duncan Robinson is the fastest player in NBA History (ever) to drain 500 3's.


• Duncan Robinson is top 13 All-Time in NBA 3PT%.



Outside of Kawhi Leonard? Duncan Robinson is the only potential SF I want. This kid should've been on team USA and he's absolute FIRE.


• And he's no team defense killer either because in 2019 Miami ranked 10th in NBA Defense and last year of 2020 Miami's Defense Ranked top 5 (5th) and during the playoffs vs. Milwaukee last year Duncan Robinson ranked #1 amongst all Miami Heat defenders in advanced defensive statistics.

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7/31/2021  12:03 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Chandler wrote:
VDesai wrote:Favors being moved in that deal maybe means that they aren't gonna part with Ingles or Bogdanovic to shed salary. Was hoping to get one of those shooters. Definitely feels like Hornets are the place to go shopping for a Guard right now.

either them, e.g., ROzier or Sacramento -- though wondering if Sac will trade one of its guards for KP because that seems like a very sacremento-like thing to do

Why because it would be a dumb trade Divac would make?

You do realize he was fired 50 weeks ago?

How many times do I have to tell you guys some owners are very involved and Kings owner can do what he wants with his team. Hire inept decisions makers or over ride them at his whim.
Kings hired Former assistant to Morey in Houston Monte McNair. He might be the shyt but the owner calls the shots.

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7/31/2021  12:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2021  12:06 AM
smackeddog wrote:On the Ringer podcast, Kevin O'Connor said he'd heard the Knicks were going to offer Fournier a contract the Celtics won't match (he and the ringer have lots of Celtics sources and they all seemed to act like the Celtics won't be keeping Fournier).

Also Bill Simmons said he'd heard CP3 staying with the Suns was pretty much already done so didn't get why Sarver said what he said on that radio show.

Also they hinted the Kings pick was basically just the owner over ruling everyone again, and they hadn’t even worked D-Mitch out. Said maybe they’ll look to trade Fox, but have no idea what the Kings plan is- I suspect neither do the Kings!

That Sacramento story rings true they were tied to Wagner for weeks, Harrison Barnes had even been working out with him and then him going to 8 unexpectedly probably caught them offguard. Wagner had avoided working out with damn near everyone too.

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7/31/2021  12:12 AM
The Boston Celtics have agreed to trade Tristan Thompson to the Sacramento Kings as part of a three-way trade with the Atlanta Hawks. Wright will be routed to the Hawks, while Boston will acquire Kris Dunn.

The move gives the Celtics some luxury tax flexibility as they attempt to re-sign Evan Fournier.

Thompson signed a two-year, $19 million contract with the Celtics last offseason. Thompson gives Sacramento insurance at center heading into the free agency of Richaun Holmes.

Dunn signed a two-year, $10 million deal with the Hawks last offseason as well, but was largely limited due to ankle and back injuries.

The Boston Celtics have agreed to acquire Josh Richardson from the Dallas Mavericks using their $11 million trade exception.

Richardson is exercising his $11.6 million player option for the 21-22 season for the deal.

The trade will be finalized on Saturday as Richardson's salary jumps when the league season rolls over and the TPE would no longer be sufficient to accommodate his contract.

Dallas acquired Richardson from the Philadelphia 76ers last offseason for Seth Curry. The Mavericks could have up to $33 million in cap space following the move.

Yeah, but I feel it's irresponsible not to tack on "if they decide to renounce FA rights to their second best player THJ. I thought Richardson would have been a great fit to send BKN in a Dinwiddie S and T to DAL. The fact that DAL is willing to give Richardson away makes me think they will renounce THJ and make an FA play.

That would mean 5 teams are playing in FA: NYK, OKC (dependant on renouncing trade exemptions), SAS, DAL, and NOP.

I am pretty excited about both THJ and Fournier hitting FA along with D. Robinson. It should improve the chances of the Knicks signing a sniper.

I will say, if the offseasons two big moves are trading out of 19 and signing Fournier for 18 million, I'll be making the "not sure if that was a fart or I shat my pants" face.

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7/31/2021  12:18 AM
James and Davis talked about the two of them changing positions if that was best for the team — James moving from small forward to power forward and Davis from power forward to center.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/russell-westbrook-met-with-lebron-james-anthony-davis-weeks-ago-to-discuss-playing-for-lakers-per-report/

Is this really news? Didn't this already go down in The Finals last year? AD reg. Season 4, playoff 5.

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7/31/2021  12:34 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2021  12:39 AM
Do the Knicks Finally Deserve the Benefit of the Doubt

For most of the last 20 years, skeptics of the New York Knicks' transactions wound up on the right side of history. The franchise was impatient, star-hungry to its own detriment and tended to botch most of its trades and draft picks.

There were a few hits in there, but four winning seasons in two decades made it clear there were a whole lot more misses.

New York finished fourth in the East last season and, better still, new management accomplished that without making a bevy of shortsighted moves. And now, after trading down more than once in the 2021 draft, the Knicks find themselves with six incoming first-rounders and nine seconds in the next four offseasons. Their commitment to patience and careful asset management is becoming a trend. In 2020, New York moved back in the first round and landed Immanuel Quickley at No. 25, and he went on to earn All-Rookie Second Team honors.

It might still be too early to proclaim them a high-functioning thought leader among NBA front offices, but the new Knicks sure haven't operated like the old ones of late.

What the Knicks do with their league-leading heap of cap space will ultimately determine the answer to the question above. This year's class is weak, particularly compared to the one taking shape for 2022. If New York can show some restraint by limiting its overpays to short-term deals (one year with a team option for 2022-23 would be ideal), it might finally be safe to harbor some real optimism about the franchise's decision-making process.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2946485-biggest-questions-after-2021-nba-draft-lakers-better-dubs-thinking-long-term

My feeling, bleacherreport and cbs are tops for nba reporting, hoopshype and realgm are fastest but outside of Colin McGown, not really worth reading. Espn should be called 'olds' instead of 'news'. Wojtweets a trade, hoopshype and realgm get it up, and then 12 hours later espn adds a link. Good articles by Zach Lowe. theringer can be good but too masturbatory at times, they love to show how smart they are.

For the Knicks, we got an orange haired optimist reigning like Zeus on Mt. Olympus. Ian Begley has got it all, the sources, the background, and the love of a fan.

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7/31/2021  12:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2021  12:52 AM
https://sny.tv/articles/will-knicks-pursue-free-agents-kyle-lowry-spencer-dinwiddie

All of Ian's offseason commentary has had some version of the phrase "keep space for next season." So let's not be too surprised if the Knicks have a quiet offseason. One advantage of the asset management strategy is when CHI starts 10-20 the Knicks can do a Melo type deal for Lavine and give us all something to argue about for the next decade.

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7/31/2021  2:17 AM
SAN ANTONIO SPURS
Have the Spurs lost their touch? They took a dramatic risk by taking Primo here, who was no. 27 on my big board. Primo looks the part of a 3-and-D wing, and he displayed go-to scoring upside with occasional dribble jumpers, but he’s still extremely raw. If he’s able to tap into his shot-creation ability with the Spurs, there’s a chance he ends up being more than just a role player. But San Antonio clearly sees a lot of promise in the lights-out shooter. At 18 years old, he’s the youngest player in the draft. This is a sign the Spurs are playing the long game.

https://nbadraft.theringer.com/draft-grades

Probably that means the Spurs will renounce DeRozan. Seems like Spurs are set at PG,SF, and C, so hopefully they will be going after different targets than NYK.

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7/31/2021  4:18 AM
gradyandrew wrote:
The Boston Celtics have agreed to trade Tristan Thompson to the Sacramento Kings as part of a three-way trade with the Atlanta Hawks. Wright will be routed to the Hawks, while Boston will acquire Kris Dunn.

The move gives the Celtics some luxury tax flexibility as they attempt to re-sign Evan Fournier.

Thompson signed a two-year, $19 million contract with the Celtics last offseason. Thompson gives Sacramento insurance at center heading into the free agency of Richaun Holmes.

Dunn signed a two-year, $10 million deal with the Hawks last offseason as well, but was largely limited due to ankle and back injuries.

The Boston Celtics have agreed to acquire Josh Richardson from the Dallas Mavericks using their $11 million trade exception.

Richardson is exercising his $11.6 million player option for the 21-22 season for the deal.

The trade will be finalized on Saturday as Richardson's salary jumps when the league season rolls over and the TPE would no longer be sufficient to accommodate his contract.

Dallas acquired Richardson from the Philadelphia 76ers last offseason for Seth Curry. The Mavericks could have up to $33 million in cap space following the move.

Yeah, but I feel it's irresponsible not to tack on "if they decide to renounce FA rights to their second best player THJ. I thought Richardson would have been a great fit to send BKN in a Dinwiddie S and T to DAL. The fact that DAL is willing to give Richardson away makes me think they will renounce THJ and make an FA play.

That would mean 5 teams are playing in FA: NYK, OKC (dependant on renouncing trade exemptions), SAS, DAL, and NOP.

I am pretty excited about both THJ and Fournier hitting FA along with D. Robinson. It should improve the chances of the Knicks signing a sniper.

I will say, if the offseasons two big moves are trading out of 19 and signing Fournier for 18 million, I'll be making the "not sure if that was a fart or I shat my pants" face.

Wonder if the Celtics will move Marcus Smart now they have Dunn- Bill Simmons and other Celtics fans seem to have soured on him, saying he's lost a step and players blow by him more. Also something to do with his antics getting annoying.

Another daft move by the Kings- TT was hinted as being a huge part of the problem with the Celtics chemistry last year. Wonder if they think they can't re-sign Homes.

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7/31/2021  4:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2021  4:30 AM
Brian Windhurst on his hoop collective podcast said he thinks CP3 staying at the suns is a done deal (like Simmons did), and also Conley staying with the Jazz is pretty much done.

Also said originally the pre-draft trade was originally Griz sending Valanciunis to the Kings for their 9th pick and Bagely.

Pelicans plan with the actual trade was to target CP3 (they even highbred Green as coach who has ties with CP3, however now that he's staying with Suns the plan is Lowry.

Lowry seems to have a lot of suitors (Dallas, Heat, Pelicans and more), so it sounds like he's going to get a big deal

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7/31/2021  4:31 AM
Wonder if we should go after Tim Hardaway Jr again😂
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