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Jmpasq
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7/22/2021  8:23 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
How about that Julius Randle signing? Looks like pure stroke of genius and luck in retrospect. When preparation and opportunity collide.


Randle was allowed to walk by both the Lakers and Pelicans. At the time, he was a power forward who could not transition to pivot nor defend the rim. He shot the ball well from behind the arc in NO but that wasn't a rock solid given the rest of his career. The league had just seen many teams end up cap locked because they spent those vast amounts of extra open cap space when the overall cap exploded without any kind of smoothing option. The Knicks signed a bunch of PFs to get to the cap floor and they held the lowest positional value in the entire league.

The Knicks got Randle because they were offering the most money and the longest deal and there was some pathway for Randle to try to reset his full Bird Rights.

Randle upticked in a way that defied normal player development curves and timelines. You can't predict market anomalies.

So luck. Mostly luck.

Good for Julius Randle for turning it around. His first year in NY was brutal and honestly he was on the path to being a journeyman forever at that point.

Im scared as hell it was an aberration. Dude was brutal in the playoffs. Betting on Randle being An All NBA player moving forward could be a very bad plan

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7/22/2021  10:34 PM
ramtour420 wrote: The fact that other teams could not bring out the best of him only speaks more for how much we were able to capitalize on it.


Let me give you a different example.

Very soon, the Knicks will decline Frank Ntilikina's qualifying offer and renounce his player rights, along with this full Bird Rights, so they can remove his cap hold and operate better in free agency.

No other team will try to sign and trade for Ntilikina. Though some will be happy to take him in on the veteran's minimum. Maybe a contract a few shades above that. But he will end up on another team, odds on, as a street free agent. That means his Bird Rights clock resets. You can see this happened to Nerlens Noel. He spent a couple of season in OKC, then went to the Knicks. He's now edging into journeyman territory.

If you want to get paid in the NBA and get paid very very well, you need to start getting contract extensions that use the full value of your full Bird Rights.

The Lakers had Randle's full Bird Rights and let him walk. He spent a year in NO and they let him walk. Had he signed with the Knicks instead, now he'd be in a situation with his full Bird Rights instead of just his Early Bird Rights. In effect, in terms of potential long term career earnings, that year in NO was a waste. Now maybe he got some coaching or some new methodologies that helped his game there, that could be the case and maybe that helped his career, but the salary system is designed to maximize earnings for players who stay up and produce.

Randle worked like a dog because IMHO he finally realized that if he didn't produce well enough with the Knicks, his Bird Rights clock would have reset AGAIN, for the third time in his career.

Sometimes a player only changes when he's desperate. Happened to late career Vince Carter. You see Melo is a much different type of player at this point than before. Even Allen Iverson basically begged to get another shot at the NBA.

So maybe Frank Ntilikina doesn't get it yet. He's young and he's never worked a real job type job in his life. He might not see that not capitalizing on his full Bird Rights as soon as possible from a contract perspective will only shrink his overall earning options.

Some people can't naturally be humble, they need to be humbled when they run out of rope. The struggle of many pro athletes is they get it all fast and young and have never slogged through a 9-5 grind like most Americans. Maybe a few have and many had brutal childhoods, but a good number don't realize how fragile time and opportunity can become.

His first Knicks season, Randle played like a total dick. He knew he was playing like a total dick too. At some point, he realized he was going to end up jumping from team to team as a fringe guy if he didn't get his **** together.

I hear a lot of times about a franchise failing to put a functional and practical system around a player to succeed. In some cases, that's true. But in some cases, the player is a piece of ****. Often the story actually becomes true with a little bit of both. The organization needs serious work and the player is an entitled douchebag.

At some level, the NBA is just another company, the player are working just another job and everyone has the same people problems like everyone else in life, just more magnified. I'm going to be fair, my background makes it easier to just see celebrity athletes as just another ******* around the corner. At every sport and in every player's career, he will eventually face a "Come To Jesus" moment. Sometimes, like Allen Iverson, that only happens at the very end and it's pretty sad. One day, Lamar Odom, if he lives that long, will look back with regret at what he wasted at the end of his career. It happens to everyone. I've seen it up close and it's brutal. No more cheers, no more crowds, no more women trying to jam their hands in your jeans, no more free swag, no more TV time, nothing. You are just another tall limping ******* in town, but who might have Fuck You Money.

If someones wants to know how I get so many player touts right, it's because I don't look at the game like a fan. But, to be fair, I don't get the same magic some of you will get when the Knicks win another championship one day. Knowing how **** works is just another burden, a different one, but it costs you something all the same.

Enjoy your magic, but understand it often makes you blind.

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7/22/2021  10:48 PM
smackeddog wrote:please, it’s gross and it’s 2021.


I only am going to post in the deep offseasons. That just fits my schedule now. I'll be gone before the draft and you'll have the draft phase and the whole season to enjoy yourself without me.

If you don't like me, OK, I'm OK with that.

What matters is Briggs loves me. And I have a lot of love in my heart for good old Briggs. No one loves this team more than he does. What I would do for Briggs is I would start a new social media company, the biggest in the world and the most powerful. Then I'd take those billions and buy out Home Depot and Lowes and ACE Hardware. Then I'd change the standard door knob. Make it much smaller. That way Briggs and his tiny little hands can finally open a door without using locking needle nose pliers.

I'll probably have to assassinate a lot of people in the hardware industry to make it happen. Pay off a lot of people. Take on Nino Brown and his idiotic plan of putting all the drugs in the city in just one building. He can sit his five dollar ass down before I start making change. But I would do it all for Briggs.

Am I my brother's keeper?

Imagine a world full of minuscule doorknobs and you have your answer.

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7/23/2021  12:39 AM
I absolutely love Lonzo Ball and I believe he'll flourish as a Knicks PG due to excellent court vision, pass 1st PG, has a 3PT shot, plays excellent Defense (for a PG) and is A+ exciting and electric when on the fast break.

He'd become the perfect PG for teammates such as R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Julius Randle, Obi Toppin and Mitchell Robinson.

Sexton? His Defense is worse than Dame Lillard and he's absolutely disliked/hated by his own teammates and was called out labeled as selfish by his own teammates because he's a ballhog and would become an R.J. Barrett and Julius Randle killer.

C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Duncan Robinson.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.
6th man: Immanuel Quickley.

I believe that'll be a super fun team to watch (Duncan Robinson is top 15 All-Time in 3PT% and also the fastest player to ever make 500 3s).

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7/23/2021  12:42 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/23/2021  12:44 AM
TripleThreat wrote:
smackeddog wrote:please, it’s gross and it’s 2021.


I only am going to post in the deep offseasons. That just fits my schedule now. I'll be gone before the draft and you'll have the draft phase and the whole season to enjoy yourself without me.

If you don't like me, OK, I'm OK with that.

What matters is Briggs loves me. And I have a lot of love in my heart for good old Briggs. No one loves this team more than he does. What I would do for Briggs is I would start a new social media company, the biggest in the world and the most powerful. Then I'd take those billions and buy out Home Depot and Lowes and ACE Hardware. Then I'd change the standard door knob. Make it much smaller. That way Briggs and his tiny little hands can finally open a door without using locking needle nose pliers.

I'll probably have to assassinate a lot of people in the hardware industry to make it happen. Pay off a lot of people. Take on Nino Brown and his idiotic plan of putting all the drugs in the city in just one building. He can sit his five dollar ass down before I start making change. But I would do it all for Briggs.

Am I my brother's keeper?

Imagine a world full of minuscule doorknobs and you have your answer.

After reading TripleThreats posts, I don't care about Sexton nor Lonzo anymore. lol

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7/25/2021  9:48 AM
Jmpasq wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
How about that Julius Randle signing? Looks like pure stroke of genius and luck in retrospect. When preparation and opportunity collide.


Randle was allowed to walk by both the Lakers and Pelicans. At the time, he was a power forward who could not transition to pivot nor defend the rim. He shot the ball well from behind the arc in NO but that wasn't a rock solid given the rest of his career. The league had just seen many teams end up cap locked because they spent those vast amounts of extra open cap space when the overall cap exploded without any kind of smoothing option. The Knicks signed a bunch of PFs to get to the cap floor and they held the lowest positional value in the entire league.

The Knicks got Randle because they were offering the most money and the longest deal and there was some pathway for Randle to try to reset his full Bird Rights.

Randle upticked in a way that defied normal player development curves and timelines. You can't predict market anomalies.

So luck. Mostly luck.

Good for Julius Randle for turning it around. His first year in NY was brutal and honestly he was on the path to being a journeyman forever at that point.

Im scared as hell it was an aberration. Dude was brutal in the playoffs. Betting on Randle being An All NBA player moving forward could be a very bad plan

I’m hoping Randle being putrid in the playoffs was just a result of Capela and nerves.


I do think the Knicks need to be exploring using him as trade bait however. We are in a unique position because if we trade Randle for a guy like Dame we still have Obi

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7/26/2021  8:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/26/2021  8:52 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Jmpasq wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
ramtour420 wrote:
How about that Julius Randle signing? Looks like pure stroke of genius and luck in retrospect. When preparation and opportunity collide.


Randle was allowed to walk by both the Lakers and Pelicans. At the time, he was a power forward who could not transition to pivot nor defend the rim. He shot the ball well from behind the arc in NO but that wasn't a rock solid given the rest of his career. The league had just seen many teams end up cap locked because they spent those vast amounts of extra open cap space when the overall cap exploded without any kind of smoothing option. The Knicks signed a bunch of PFs to get to the cap floor and they held the lowest positional value in the entire league.

The Knicks got Randle because they were offering the most money and the longest deal and there was some pathway for Randle to try to reset his full Bird Rights.

Randle upticked in a way that defied normal player development curves and timelines. You can't predict market anomalies.

So luck. Mostly luck.

Good for Julius Randle for turning it around. His first year in NY was brutal and honestly he was on the path to being a journeyman forever at that point.

Im scared as hell it was an aberration. Dude was brutal in the playoffs. Betting on Randle being An All NBA player moving forward could be a very bad plan

I’m hoping Randle being putrid in the playoffs was just a result of Capela and nerves.


I do think the Knicks need to be exploring using him as trade bait however. We are in a unique position because if we trade Randle for a guy like Dame we still have Obi

ATL focused on chocking Randle and we had little firepower to advance. ATL had more talent. The 4th seed was a bit of a mirage if expectations were set based on the placement. Thats not a knock on the kicks, its the hindsight reality.
Capella did a great job sealing him off and Collins is a quick defender. RJ is still green and Rose could do but so much.
THibs did a great job to get the seeding but like many teams sometimes the playoffs hand you a humbling reality.

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7/30/2021  3:56 PM
I don't think sexton is play for us anymore, there's no reason why it did happen already especially on draft night. The fact that they ended up drafting Mobley instead of suggs is another reason they probably will hold on to him.

I don't know if it was a smoke screen, but it definitely feels like a PUMP FAKE

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7/30/2021  4:08 PM
NYKMentality wrote:I absolutely love Lonzo Ball and I believe he'll flourish as a Knicks PG due to excellent court vision, pass 1st PG, has a 3PT shot, plays excellent Defense (for a PG) and is A+ exciting and electric when on the fast break.

He'd become the perfect PG for teammates such as R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Julius Randle, Obi Toppin and Mitchell Robinson.

Sexton? His Defense is worse than Dame Lillard and he's absolutely disliked/hated by his own teammates and was called out labeled as selfish by his own teammates because he's a ballhog and would become an R.J. Barrett and Julius Randle killer.

C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Duncan Robinson.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.
6th man: Immanuel Quickley.

I believe that'll be a super fun team to watch (Duncan Robinson is top 15 All-Time in 3PT% and also the fastest player to ever make 500 3s).

This would be great. I am more and more leaning towards bringing Lonzo to NY at all costs (which is what it will take). Duncan Robinson would be a great fit as well. So would a guy like Kelly Oubre Jr.

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7/30/2021  6:08 PM
One of either...


Lonzo Ball (my #1 wish).


CP3 (my 2nd wish).


Kyle Lowry (my 3rd wish).


Collin Sexton (my 4th wish).

Will be announced as our Starting PG by the end of next week.


We were planning something big throughout the draft last night and stockpiled future draft picks for a reason while saving cap space by drafting 3 players during the 2nd round (all at the same time).

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7/30/2021  6:56 PM
Pepper wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I absolutely love Lonzo Ball and I believe he'll flourish as a Knicks PG due to excellent court vision, pass 1st PG, has a 3PT shot, plays excellent Defense (for a PG) and is A+ exciting and electric when on the fast break.

He'd become the perfect PG for teammates such as R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Julius Randle, Obi Toppin and Mitchell Robinson.

Sexton? His Defense is worse than Dame Lillard and he's absolutely disliked/hated by his own teammates and was called out labeled as selfish by his own teammates because he's a ballhog and would become an R.J. Barrett and Julius Randle killer.

C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Duncan Robinson.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.
6th man: Immanuel Quickley.

I believe that'll be a super fun team to watch (Duncan Robinson is top 15 All-Time in 3PT% and also the fastest player to ever make 500 3s).

This would be great. I am more and more leaning towards bringing Lonzo to NY at all costs (which is what it will take). Duncan Robinson would be a great fit as well. So would a guy like Kelly Oubre Jr.

+1 - this would be a great off season IMO. Oubre on a short deal ideally. Would also prioritize bringing back Noel and Bullock vs Rose due to age and roster depth

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7/31/2021  8:47 AM    LAST EDITED: 7/31/2021  8:49 AM
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think sexton is play for us anymore, there's no reason why it did happen already especially on draft night. The fact that they ended up drafting Mobley instead of suggs is another reason they probably will hold on to him.

I don't know if it was a smoke screen, but it definitely feels like a PUMP FAKE

What about Clev obtaining Rubio? Mobley was the obvious pick so it was unlikely Suggs was ever in that picture.
Remember much of what your are “feeling” is created by media and blogs with no straight source.
Sexton to knicks might not be but him moving on is still a valid take.
As is SAC moving a guard. Maybe Fox?? SImilar situation now. Logjams position and they paying a lot of money . They have proven they can not be successful with Fox. Bagley too.
What you don’t know is is Clev asking for? Its early and likely they are asking a lot.

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7/31/2021  1:03 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:I don't think sexton is play for us anymore, there's no reason why it did happen already especially on draft night. The fact that they ended up drafting Mobley instead of suggs is another reason they probably will hold on to him.

I don't know if it was a smoke screen, but it definitely feels like a PUMP FAKE

What about Clev obtaining Rubio? Mobley was the obvious pick so it was unlikely Suggs was ever in that picture.
Remember much of what your are “feeling” is created by media and blogs with no straight source.
Sexton to knicks might not be but him moving on is still a valid take.
As is SAC moving a guard. Maybe Fox?? SImilar situation now. Logjams position and they paying a lot of money . They have proven they can not be successful with Fox. Bagley too.
What you don’t know is is Clev asking for? Its early and likely they are asking a lot.

I was just going to reply to knicks1248 re the Rubio trade but checked first. Yeah, Sexton to the Knicks is still in play.
I wouldn't have minded an understudy like Springer at 19 and bringing in Lowry to teach him the next 2 years but seeing them punt on 19 makes many wonder if it is just a trade asset now.
We EASILY have the assets to get Sexton but the question is do we want to give up 1sts and Obi to do so? Well, had we taken an understudy I'd say yes, but now I'm wondering.
Would Love Fox but he will take more than Sexton.

Perhaps the coming week and some nice FA signings / Trades make up for the shocking (and at first disheartening) #19 and #21 trades.
We are on the precipice of becoming an ECF team if this next week goes right.

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7/31/2021  5:35 PM
Pepper wrote:
NYKMentality wrote:I absolutely love Lonzo Ball and I believe he'll flourish as a Knicks PG due to excellent court vision, pass 1st PG, has a 3PT shot, plays excellent Defense (for a PG) and is A+ exciting and electric when on the fast break.

He'd become the perfect PG for teammates such as R.J. Barrett, Immanuel Quickley, Julius Randle, Obi Toppin and Mitchell Robinson.

Sexton? His Defense is worse than Dame Lillard and he's absolutely disliked/hated by his own teammates and was called out labeled as selfish by his own teammates because he's a ballhog and would become an R.J. Barrett and Julius Randle killer.

C: Mitchell Robinson.
PF: Julius Randle.
SF: Duncan Robinson.
SG: R.J. Barrett.
PG: Lonzo Ball.
6th man: Immanuel Quickley.

I believe that'll be a super fun team to watch (Duncan Robinson is top 15 All-Time in 3PT% and also the fastest player to ever make 500 3s).

This would be great. I am more and more leaning towards bringing Lonzo to NY at all costs (which is what it will take). Duncan Robinson would be a great fit as well. So would a guy like Kelly Oubre Jr.

Depends on the cost for me. I like Lonzo and agree he helps us but I wouldn’t offer more than the Charlotte pick, the 2023 mavs first, our next first and IQ

Think this Sexton talk is a smokescreen for Lonzo..

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