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NYKBocker
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7/13/2021  4:26 PM
I would rather stick with IQ.
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7/13/2021  4:29 PM
His defense is beyond atrocious. And then we'll have to overpay to keep him. Hard pass.
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7/13/2021  4:30 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I would rather stick with IQ.

In my response I forgot about him. Yeah, resign Rose, draft a pg, train up IQ, and then hope Luca is the real deal. At the very least, we would have a group of PGs better than last years group without having to overpay for anyone.

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7/13/2021  4:30 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Knixkik wrote:This makes the most sense to me. Toppin, Knox, 19 and either 32 or a future pick for Sexton. And it would be a steal.


If the Knicks want Sexton for the long term, they can wait a year and then sign him to an offer sheet.

He's going to want a five year max contract and he's not worth that. To his credit, he's very aggressive, which is a change from pretty much all other Knicks players, except a few, for a very long time. He'll attack the cup and sweat equity isn't a problem. However he's ball dominant and it remains to be seen if he can mesh with Randle ( who also needs the ball in his hands all the time) and thrive.

Defensive liability. He's going to freeze other players out on the regular. Isn't looking to run an offense, is looking to be the entire offense but can't carry a team like a James Harden.

Can be useful, but depends on the cost and contract.

The Knicks can get some damn good players at 19 and 32.

Cleveland wants him gone because they have no desire to resign him. Meaning they won't match an offer sheet if they can't trade him. Garland is a better fit for what they are trying to do. That means Sexton is a rental and should only garner a rental's price.

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7/13/2021  4:32 PM
Uptown wrote:If we can get a talent like Sexton for the packages being suggested, then it's a no-brainer. Not only is he an elite scorer but he did it efficiently, last year. If his game didn't have warts, then he wouldn't be available.

Keep in mind, Sexton is younger than Obi and is far from a finished product. Also, Sexton has played in the NBA for 3yrs and has already had 3 different coaches. Imagine if he is allowed to develop with a stable franchise and a stable coaching staff? (wait did I just mention the Knicks and stable in the same sentence). If he is available we need to buy low and tap into the untapped potential that I know is there.


How is it buying low if Sexton will want a 5 year max deal?

The opportunity cost is massive. If you give up cap space, you lose the ability to chase free agents and/or absorb contracts in a trade to rent the space for assets. Trading draft picks means losing cost controlled young labor and cost certainty.

He's another player who needs to be hidden defensively. I don't mind losing Toppin and Knox in a trade, but losing picks in a pretty strong draft is not a great long term plan for the team.

Sexton is a rental player and should get a rental price. Toppin for Sexton is a rental price.
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7/13/2021  4:36 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2021  4:36 PM
I know we really need his firepower but I will have to pass 😒😞
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7/13/2021  4:36 PM
reub wrote:His defense is beyond atrocious. And then we'll have to overpay to keep him. Hard pass.

same thing they said about Randle, same thing they said about Rose.

Look at the big picture, Sexton is out of the growing pain stages, he will be around a winning environment and a very good coaching
staff.

who on the knicks made any of the "ALL defensive team" despite having the best defense as a team.

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7/13/2021  4:39 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I would rather stick with IQ.

yup, as a 7th man off the bench

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7/13/2021  4:42 PM
TripleThreat wrote:
Uptown wrote:If we can get a talent like Sexton for the packages being suggested, then it's a no-brainer. Not only is he an elite scorer but he did it efficiently, last year. If his game didn't have warts, then he wouldn't be available.

Keep in mind, Sexton is younger than Obi and is far from a finished product. Also, Sexton has played in the NBA for 3yrs and has already had 3 different coaches. Imagine if he is allowed to develop with a stable franchise and a stable coaching staff? (wait did I just mention the Knicks and stable in the same sentence). If he is available we need to buy low and tap into the untapped potential that I know is there.


How is it buying low if Sexton will want a 5 year max deal?

The opportunity cost is massive. If you give up cap space, you lose the ability to chase free agents and/or absorb contracts in a trade to rent the space for assets. Trading draft picks means losing cost controlled young labor and cost certainty.

He's another player who needs to be hidden defensively. I don't mind losing Toppin and Knox in a trade, but losing picks in a pretty strong draft is not a great long term plan for the team.

Sexton is a rental player and should get a rental price. Toppin for Sexton is a rental price.

Is Brodie Van Waggonen running our team now?
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7/13/2021  4:42 PM
NYKBocker wrote:I would rather stick with IQ.

We could have both. I like IQ a lot, but he's not enough to make me reconsider getting an established player. Start Sexton, play IQ off the bench, and move on from Rose\Burks. The only question I have is cost.

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7/13/2021  4:51 PM
TheGame wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I would rather stick with IQ.

In my response I forgot about him. Yeah, resign Rose, draft a pg, train up IQ, and then hope Luca is the real deal. At the very least, we would have a group of PGs better than last years group without having to overpay for anyone.

LOl, your talking about a FO that could have blew any offer out of the water last off season but instead got guys to actually take less..even thought they had major cap space

This isn't Steve Mills, Phil Jackson, or Isaiah Thomas...there's a reason we have the most cap

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7/13/2021  4:51 PM
i liked the shooting numbers but that +/- stat is startling. I know it's complicated, team aspects etc. but c'mon that has to be frightening and somewhat consistent with the notion of the Cavs sucking ass even if Sexton is hitting shots. And i still think he's a ball hog

It's not like we're seeing him as a guy to build a team around so much as we're hoping he can contribute with Randle and RJ. Price needs to be way lower. He is a rental and we may find after a year that he doesn't help winning and we don't want him long term

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7/13/2021  5:08 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2021  5:15 PM
Just draft cam Thomas if you want a similiar headache and save the money and players lol


Obviously sexton is a proven nba scorer. Just kidding above but not far from it.


If they really want sexton wait for him to be a free agent. Don’t pay twice for him.


But this might happen. He is CAA.

Plus the front office needs to make their back page splash to say they did their job 😅


I’d rather go with Tre Murphy and a CG in the draft
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7/13/2021  5:20 PM
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7/13/2021  5:44 PM
Can we take a bad salary from them? I kind of like this idea but Id like to keep two draft picks if we have to give up pick 5 last year as well
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7/13/2021  5:44 PM
I like this deal a lot! We are not giving up that much. We need scoring and we still get to keep our core!
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7/13/2021  5:57 PM
I don’t understand the logic. If we can get Rose for $11-$13 mil a year, you get someone who is at least 90% of Sexton for half the price. You then trust your scouting that Luca is real and then find a pg in the draft. Giving up Toppin, Knox and a pick to overpay Sexton makes no sense to me.
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7/13/2021  5:57 PM
Chandler wrote:i liked the shooting numbers but that +/- stat is startling. I know it's complicated, team aspects etc. but c'mon that has to be frightening and somewhat consistent with the notion of the Cavs sucking ass even if Sexton is hitting shots. And i still think he's a ball hog

It's not like we're seeing him as a guy to build a team around so much as we're hoping he can contribute with Randle and RJ. Price needs to be way lower. He is a rental and we may find after a year that he doesn't help winning and we don't want him long term

When making a list of reasons why the Cavs have been bad over the last several years, 3 coaches in 3 years and a young, poorly constructed roster among other things come up before we reach Sextons name. Also, if the Knicks pull the trigger on the deal, I highly doubt the Knicks view Sexton as a rental.
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7/13/2021  6:03 PM    LAST EDITED: 7/13/2021  6:30 PM
fishmike wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I love, love, love Toppin but sign me the eff up

How much better were the Knicks with an attack oriented PG (Rose)? I'm not sold Sexton is a PG but he would be a massive upgrade in our court

I am in this boat. I said dont trade these guys but when you are getting an foundation piece you have to roll the dice.

Sexton isnt perfect and has some warts starting with his defense BUT he's a really dynamic scorer. Can shoot, attack the paint, space the floor, drive and dish....

If the trade is as we are hearing like the above it will be fantastic. Sexton doesnt fit with Garland. This is a real buy low opportunity for us. He would be an exciting add

+1. If we're waiting on a perfect player it will be a very long wait. Given our likely options I'm on board with this too. We're going to have to roll the dice in some capacity. Why not do it for a 24 ppg player who fills a position of need and checks several boxes of need...if the price isn't too steep? The deal being floated out there would be the max I would hope we'd have to trade.

Also, Cavs fans don't seem anxious to move him, especially for what is being reported which is a good sign since they likely have seen the guy play far more than anybody in this forum. Mavs fan generally were glad to see DSJ go and Raptor fans cheered when they unloaded Bargnani on us. Reading comments from Cavs fans about Sexton is encouraging.
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7/13/2021  6:07 PM
TheGame wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I would rather stick with IQ.

In my response I forgot about him. Yeah, resign Rose, draft a pg, train up IQ, and then hope Luca is the real deal. At the very least, we would have a group of PGs better than last years group without having to overpay for anyone.

Yup. I don't want to overpay anymore. Let's groom our guys. I have high hopes for Luka. Also, we can get another PG that can shoot the lights out in one of our picks. 19, 21 or 32.
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