Jmpasq wrote:

cooch2584 wrote:Id trade him for a bag of 100 white castles and a 2 liter coke

Is 1 2 of Coke liter enough for 100 White Castle burgers? I think you should ask for some fries in the deal.

NAAAAA Id stop at micky ds and get 10 large fries to go with the burgers.

i'd like to think he's realizing that he will need to earn his minutes and this starts at the defensive end.

even if you don't like him, trading him now seems to be selling at the bottom.

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:i still have a soft spot for KK. He's still young and quiet and though he barely saw the court i thought his shooting looked more disciplined and pure.

i'd like to think he's realizing that he will need to earn his minutes and this starts at the defensive end.

even if you don't like him, trading him now seems to be selling at the bottom.

He could fit in really well with a team that presses. It’s ironic that the Mavs have KP who is struggling with them really because he’s a half court player. Knox would actually be a better fit to run with Luca

Knox straight up for KP! (I know that's not what you're saying, but it's fun to say anyway... Ummm... that's not what you're saying, right? Right???) We have the cap space! LMAO

guy is still a kid and seems to have his head screwed on straight. Thibs should simplify his expectations -- no, he will not be the next KD, but he can help stretch the floor

i realize it's a tough call but i would preach patience

fwk00 wrote:

Chandler wrote:don't sell at the bottom: i know he has *magically shrunk to 6'7" since we drafted him, but why can't we see him as at least Rashard Lewis.

guy is still a kid and seems to have his head screwed on straight. Thibs should simplify his expectations -- no, he will not be the next KD, but he can help stretch the floor

i realize it's a tough call but i would preach patience

I'm empathetic to the call for patience but with Obie onboard needing minutes and with four draft picks in tow it seems like flipping Knox for a useful deep bench veteran or a future second-rounder is prudent.

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:i still have a soft spot for KK. He's still young and quiet and though he barely saw the court i thought his shooting looked more disciplined and pure.

i'd like to think he's realizing that he will need to earn his minutes and this starts at the defensive end.

even if you don't like him, trading him now seems to be selling at the bottom.

He could fit in really well with a team that presses. It’s ironic that the Mavs have KP who is struggling with them really because he’s a half court player. Knox would actually be a better fit to run with Luca

Knox straight up for KP! (I know that's not what you're saying, but it's fun to say anyway... Ummm... that's not what you're saying, right? Right???) We have the cap space! LMAO

As crazy as it sounds right now Mark Cuban would do KP for Knox in a heartbeat

Philc1 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Chandler wrote:i still have a soft spot for KK. He's still young and quiet and though he barely saw the court i thought his shooting looked more disciplined and pure.

i'd like to think he's realizing that he will need to earn his minutes and this starts at the defensive end.

even if you don't like him, trading him now seems to be selling at the bottom.

He could fit in really well with a team that presses. It’s ironic that the Mavs have KP who is struggling with them really because he’s a half court player. Knox would actually be a better fit to run with Luca

Knox straight up for KP! (I know that's not what you're saying, but it's fun to say anyway... Ummm... that's not what you're saying, right? Right???) We have the cap space! LMAO

As crazy as it sounds right now Mark Cuban would do KP for Knox in a heartbeat

Eff the mirror test! Let's get KP and some draft picks in a Cuban salary dump! Then we trade him to Detroit for a bag of fritos and more draft picks! LMAO

HofstraBBall wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:It’s ridiculous to keep him. He’s really lost his chance here but I have to think we can swap prospects or even better. Trade him for a future 2. But he’s taking a roster spot that’s valuable to the team and we have no intent on using him.

Do not think we need to rush into trading him for scraps. He will only be making $5.8 million next year with a $5.8 hold. Has good size and shooting ability and only 22 years old. Maybe we wait to see how he improves and if not, trade him at the trade deadline to a team that thinks they can develop him. However, he is probably worth more in a trade this summer considering next year's contract is a lot more palatable than 22-23. Would only be okay if he is dealt if it is for a proven star. Not on board if it's just to get another 2nd round pick.

*****

182 games. 61 starts. Close to 3800 total minutes in the league.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/knoxke01.html

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2021-nba-player-projections/kevin-knox-ii/

In professional sports, two years is forever. And Knox is past that point. His shooting splits are ****ing horrible. His advanced stats are horrible. His eye test is horrible. It was a sin against basketball that his rookie year was allowed to drive so much volume against so much failure. Why he was allowed to keep chucking up mid range shots and pull ups is beyond comprehension. I don't know if I've seen a RAPTOR that ugly. Nate Silver of 538 has crunched the numbers and Knox actually OWES THE KNICKS MONEY. How the **** can your advanced stats be so bad that Knox should be PAYING THE KNICKS FOR EVEN BEING ON THE ROSTER. Look at the cast of the original Top Gun. Who would have thought that Goose would be the only one who remained looking like a regular person heading off to couples therapy in a beat up minivan with bits of pretzels jammed into all the seats.

If you don't produce in the NBA enough to stay in the rotation past your rookie year, your career usually ends up in deep ****.

Knox is the Kelly McGillis of the NBA. Like McGillis, Knox was sitting on the top of the "This Game Will Age Like Milk" tree and hit every single branch on the way down.

How does Knox improve enough to be trade fodder if Thibs won't play him. Who can blame Thibs for not wanting to play him?

TripleThreat wrote:

If you don't produce in the NBA enough to stay in the rotation past your rookie year, your career usually ends up in deep ****.

Knox is the Kelly McGillis of the NBA. Like McGillis, Knox was sitting on the top of the "This Game Will Age Like Milk" tree and hit every single branch on the way down.

How does Knox improve enough to be trade fodder if Thibs won't play him. Who can blame Thibs for not wanting to play him?

Agree he has done zero and has very little chance of changing that. Hoping he does though. As mentioned, okay with trading him if he is part of a package for a good player. Or if included as a way to move up in the first round. Also mentioned that if we draft/sign a solid player, he will likely be a casualty. Still My OPINION is that I would rather another year of the 22 year old than adding another 2025 second.

My main point with guys like Knox or Frank is that it is not our biggest concern. They are borderline rotation players. Why so much concern or attention? Kinda like referencing the aging of C level actors and actresses NO ONE who is still relevant has ever heard of.

HofstraBBall wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

If you don't produce in the NBA enough to stay in the rotation past your rookie year, your career usually ends up in deep ****.

Knox is the Kelly McGillis of the NBA. Like McGillis, Knox was sitting on the top of the "This Game Will Age Like Milk" tree and hit every single branch on the way down.

How does Knox improve enough to be trade fodder if Thibs won't play him. Who can blame Thibs for not wanting to play him?

Agree he has done zero and has very little chance of changing that. Hoping he does though. As mentioned, okay with trading him if he is part of a package for a good player. Or if included as a way to move up in the first round. Also mentioned that if we draft/sign a solid player, he will likely be a casualty. Still My OPINION is that I would rather another year of the 22 year old than adding another 2025 second.

My main point with guys like Knox or Frank is that it is not our biggest concern. They are borderline rotation players. Why so much concern or attention? Kinda like referencing the aging of C level actors and actresses NO ONE who is still relevant has ever heard of.

It's not a direct swap though; this is not just Kevin for whatever second round pick you can get.

It's also about the roster spot and the time and energy you put in one player versus the next.

Minutes going to a player who does have some sense, drive, and enough potential to fill out. There will be plenty of hungrier, young guys at the beginning of their careers like Jerami Grant, Jae Crowder, Duncan Robinson, Jimmy Butler, Trevor Ariza, Cameron Payne who are either sitting on the bench or sitting on someone else's bench that you could fill that roster spot with and actually have it as a plus.