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Food for thought: Knicks-GS trade (Randle, Mitch for Wiseman, Wiggins with picks going both ways)
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djsunyc
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6/27/2021  12:28 PM
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djsunyc wrote:i don't see how randle would fit with gsw's high iq offense. he's a ball stopper iso scorer. gsw is constant movement and requires alot of reads and passing. don't see randle fitting in there.

they may be interested in mitch but he's worth a late first right now (if that).

Does he have more or less fit than Wiggins and will his pluses override his deficiencies? That's the bottom line.

Otherwise what other alternatives does GS have to move Wiggins to upgrade that position?

i think wiggins plays a wing defensive role for them and can be a catch and shoot guy. i don't know if randle can fill that role.

in all honesty, randle's playoffs were so poor that i think teams would want to see him repeat his regular season again before thinking he's a plus player.

i think gsw trades the pick and wiseman to try and add to steph + klay + wiggins + draymond. i don't think they necessarily want to trade wiggins. with that said, they don't have a lot of salaries to move as their top 4 guys all make over $24 mil. wiseman makes about $9.

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6/27/2021  1:16 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2021  1:25 PM
martin wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

Trade isn't hinged on Keon, he is just my pick @7.

Lots of other guys for you to make a selection from

It's the value of Wiseman, picks #7, #14 and a talent upgrade will getting much younger.


Outside of the top 5, I'm that amped about the talent pool. I just don't see that huge of a difference from going from 7-22. Not to mention taking back Wiggin's contract? We might as well just pay Randle then. Wiseman dosen't get me excited either. Not saying Randle is untouchable but this dosen't move the ball for me. We just got a taste of what its like to be a good team and now it seems like we are going to go back?

Giddey
RJ
Wiggins
Franz
Wiseman

It just dosen't do it for me. Both long and short term.

EDIT: Its also worth mentioning that this team needs scoring more than anything. We need a legitimate #1 scoring option preferable at the guard spot and we get significantly worse than that with this trade. Maybe I'm selfish, but I really really enjoyed watching a winning team. I don't want to go back and I don't think Thibs wants to as well.

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6/27/2021  1:20 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
martin wrote:
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TheGame wrote:This is a bold strategy for the team, but the problem I see is timing IMO. Both Randle and Mitch are in the last year of their deals. GS would be giving up a lot for two guys they have to try and resign next summer to big contracts. Plus, Randle was only so so in the playoffs and Mitch has not proven he can stay healthy. I don’t think we could do a sign and trade until after FA starts, so the salary situation would be unknown until after the draft. I am not sure GS does that trade unless we added one or two more picks, but I agree they would at least consider it. From our perspective, Wiseman is solid but also unproven. I am not sure I even want Wiggins. We definitely want that pick from GS, and I believe in Toppin enough that I would like to see him get starters minutes. But this trade could set us back 2 years (as Wiseman and Toppin both need at least two more years of development), and I don’t see management making that type of move for a #7 pick, especially when the best two pgs are projected to already be off the board. I think our FO would be more interested in turning the 19 and 21 picks into something high enough to draft Davion Mitchell, who I think could be a longterm solution at PG.

the problem with this deal is we net 1 first round pick. if this is the course of action the Knicks take, they flip Mitch at the deadline for a first. Randle would probably get a better return than Morris at the deadline. So we flip the two best players in the deal to get Andrew 'I have a career PER of under 15 and I'll be making over $30 million next year' Wiggins and be awful next year. Yeah, let's tear it down and wait another 20 years to see a decent team ... 'Trust the proces', martin Hinkie

Then step up to the plate and offer up a variation on what you think both teams would want considering the outline I suggested.

I already indicated that the pick swaps were key and changeable. Make your change instead of just sitting on the sidelines.

it's up to me to figure out how to make your proposal work?

your entire trade idea is contingent on the Knicks identifying who would be worthy to be drafted at #7 or #14... maybe you should practice what you preach. We know who will be drafted 1-5. So, who would be available at #7 to make this deal worthwhile? or is that also up to me to me to figure out?

I already put up my thoughts on that and why.

preface with an absolute hedge:

martin wrote:Knicks scouting staff would have to convince me that there are 2 guys in the #7 and #14 who are consensus picks by the staff that will fulfill upside.

it is and purposely so to show my line of thinking for myself and how I would engage. I absolutely staked my ground with Keon and Garuba and why for both. I'm not hiding any of my thoughts and put them all out there. The why's of both teams, the salary structure for why GS may want to, my lack of knowing anything about Wiseman.

So far I'm getting that you are limited to responses that are about this engaging

SupremeCommander wrote:ewwwwwwwwwwww I hate this trade

SupremeCommander wrote:'Trust the proces', martin Hinkie

I actually like Keon as a prospect but I think this deal is awful. You basically want to deal the first 20/10/5 player in franchise history for a wing who averaged 11ppg and and shot 27% from deep and a scratch off lotto ticket

A major key to successfully running a team is evaluating your players/roster/fit, etc... just because Randle had a terrific season doesn't mean you conclude we have to keep him because we haven't had a player of similar production in years. At the end of the day, Melo was similar in that he gave us great numbers, periodic highlights and hope - yet had limits/flaws that resulted in reduced success for the team (compared to what we thought he could do for the team). While I like Randle much better as he seems to be a hard worker and good teammate - you can't deny that he is just good enough to get us to respectable again. After the pat on the back, we will be stuck unless he wanted to sign for less money and become a 2nd or 3rd tier option going forward. He wouldn't do that (and shouldn't) as right now he is still better than everyone else. Sadly on the Knicks - that's like being the smartest person in remedial math. We can wait 2-3 more seasons to reach the same conclusion or act now and sell high. Do you really think Randle will just continue to get better and better? The great ones didn't get shut down by an average defensive team (eg Hawks) so can we at least agree he's nowhere near that level.

This is 1 step back and 2 or 3 giant steps forward (if we draft well). Also, most of love Mitch but are realizing that it creates additional barriers to success when the defense doesn't have to guard all 5 players. All of the good teams remaining have 5 players that can either shoot well from outside - or are stars that can dominate enough athletically (eg Giannis) that you the plusses outweigh the negatives. Mitch still won't take a shot outside of 4 feet - I wish he would as he has the defensive fortitude and athleticism that we desperately need... but this isn't 2012 and his unwillingness to be a threat on offense only adds to the pressure for the other 4 players on the court. Even Noel who isn't offensively focused took a few 10 foot shots vs the Hawks which helped. So while I would prefer Mitch stays and shoots - he hasn't so it's worth looking at other options.

Wiseman has all the tools and will be at worst - a Chris Bosh type that is solid/starter for many years. I think his ceiling is higher but actually doubt he will reach it on GS as their focus is solely on riding out Steph and Klay for the remaining limited window they have. If we draft well - this would be a steal of a deal. If we don't then we may not achieve the desired goal - but are we really going to cry over losing Randle (he's not Lebron)? Also, while they may wish to tweak - I do believe GS would do it. They save money, dump Wiggins and add vets to a lineup that needs vet support for the next 2-3 years.

The hope all along is that eventually RJ's skillset will grow and match the alpha presence he already seems to possess. He's only 20/21 so this fits with the timeline that could serve us for the next 7-10 years.

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6/27/2021  1:41 PM
jskinny35 wrote:A major key to successfully running a team is evaluating your players/roster/fit, etc... just because Randle had a terrific season doesn't mean you conclude we have to keep him because we haven't had a player of similar production in years. At the end of the day, Melo was similar in that he gave us great numbers, periodic highlights and hope - yet had limits/flaws that resulted in reduced success for the team (compared to what we thought he could do for the team). While I like Randle much better as he seems to be a hard worker and good teammate - you can't deny that he is just good enough to get us to respectable again. After the pat on the back, we will be stuck unless he wanted to sign for less money and become a 2nd or 3rd tier option going forward. He wouldn't do that (and shouldn't) as right now he is still better than everyone else. Sadly on the Knicks - that's like being the smartest person in remedial math. We can wait 2-3 more seasons to reach the same conclusion or act now and sell high. Do you really think Randle will just continue to get better and better? The great ones didn't get shut down by an average defensive team (eg Hawks) so can we at least agree he's nowhere near that level.

I think the more prudent approach is to get Randle help. Just for sake of discussion, I would favor signing Lowry and DeRozan over trading Randle for a bag of ????s. Funny, I was thinking how insane it was that everyone wanted to run Melo out of town for his deficiencies and lack of help despite the fact he produced a la Bernard King for us

jskinny35 wrote:This is 1 step back and 2 or 3 giant steps forward (if we draft well). Also, most of love Mitch but are realizing that it creates additional barriers to success when the defense doesn't have to guard all 5 players. All of the good teams remaining have 5 players that can either shoot well from outside - or are stars that can dominate enough athletically (eg Giannis) that you the plusses outweigh the negatives. Mitch still won't take a shot outside of 4 feet - I wish he would as he has the defensive fortitude and athleticism that we desperately need... but this isn't 2012 and his unwillingness to be a threat on offense only adds to the pressure for the other 4 players on the court. Even Noel who isn't offensively focused took a few 10 foot shots vs the Hawks which helped. So while I would prefer Mitch stays and shoots - he hasn't so it's worth looking at other options.

You seem to be assuming the bolded. It is going to work out? If you're telling me we could trade Randle and get Cade or Suggs, okay, yes, I would listen. But you want to take a step back because of philosophy? Ever heard: a bird in the hand is better than two in the bush?

Mitch is a steal on his current contract. Maybe not on a new deal, maybe we get burned. That said, seems to me the Hawks are doing fine with Clint Capella who is probably what we hope Mitch projects into, considering your love of projections.

jskinny35 wrote:Wiseman has all the tools and will be at worst - a Chris Bosh type that is solid/starter for many years. I think his ceiling is higher but actually doubt he will reach it on GS as their focus is solely on riding out Steph and Klay for the remaining limited window they have. If we draft well - this would be a steal of a deal. If we don't then we may not achieve the desired goal - but are we really going to cry over losing Randle (he's not Lebron)? Also, while they may wish to tweak - I do believe GS would do it. They save money, dump Wiggins and add vets to a lineup that needs vet support for the next 2-3 years.

You heard it from jskinny first, Wiseman is a first ballot Hall of Famer.

jskinny35 wrote:The hope all along is that eventually RJ's skillset will grow and match the alpha presence he already seems to possess. He's only 20/21 so this fits with the timeline that could serve us for the next 7-10 years.

You and me both hope for that... but clearly you haven't read martin's thoughts on RJ

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6/27/2021  3:17 PM
djsunyc wrote:
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i don't see how randle would fit with gsw's high iq offense. he's a ball stopper iso scorer. gsw is constant movement and requires alot of reads and passing. don't see randle fitting in there.

they may be interested in mitch but he's worth a late first right now (if that).

Does he have more or less fit than Wiggins and will his pluses override his deficiencies? That's the bottom line.

Otherwise what other alternatives does GS have to move Wiggins to upgrade that position?

i think wiggins plays a wing defensive role for them and can be a catch and shoot guy. i don't know if randle can fill that role.

in all honesty, randle's playoffs were so poor that i think teams would want to see him repeat his regular season again before thinking he's a plus player.

i think gsw trades the pick and wiseman to try and add to steph + klay + wiggins + draymond. i don't think they necessarily want to trade wiggins. with that said, they don't have a lot of salaries to move as their top 4 guys all make over $24 mil. wiseman makes about $9.

Also wanted to add: If you had Wiggins on the Knicks team instead of Randle (with appropriate SF/PF positional difference taken off table and adequate respective replacements), do you think Wiggins would have lead the Knicks to a 4th seed in the East being the primary focus of the offense? Also, do you think the Knicks defense would have been just as good if you swapped in Wigging? I don't.

I don't know Wiggins as a defender. I barely can tell what Randle does on defense and I watched him all year. I don't how Randle got All-Defensive team votes but he did. Randle was also a significant cog in the Knicks defense that was one of the best in the league which has got to say something.

Randle had months at a time this past season where he couldn't miss and he was the focus of most all defenses. I am just imagining him on a team where he is the 3rd option; I just don't know how you can say he would not be a spot up 3 point shooter when he flat beat out Wiggins.

Will Randle regress? On the Knicks, probably. But will Wiggins ever lead his team on O and get MVP votes? Prob not.

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6/27/2021  8:34 PM
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:
martin wrote:
djsunyc wrote:i don't see how randle would fit with gsw's high iq offense. he's a ball stopper iso scorer. gsw is constant movement and requires alot of reads and passing. don't see randle fitting in there.

they may be interested in mitch but he's worth a late first right now (if that).

Does he have more or less fit than Wiggins and will his pluses override his deficiencies? That's the bottom line.

Otherwise what other alternatives does GS have to move Wiggins to upgrade that position?

i think wiggins plays a wing defensive role for them and can be a catch and shoot guy. i don't know if randle can fill that role.

in all honesty, randle's playoffs were so poor that i think teams would want to see him repeat his regular season again before thinking he's a plus player.

i think gsw trades the pick and wiseman to try and add to steph + klay + wiggins + draymond. i don't think they necessarily want to trade wiggins. with that said, they don't have a lot of salaries to move as their top 4 guys all make over $24 mil. wiseman makes about $9.

Also wanted to add: If you had Wiggins on the Knicks team instead of Randle (with appropriate SF/PF positional difference taken off table and adequate respective replacements), do you think Wiggins would have lead the Knicks to a 4th seed in the East being the primary focus of the offense? Also, do you think the Knicks defense would have been just as good if you swapped in Wigging? I don't.

I don't know Wiggins as a defender. I barely can tell what Randle does on defense and I watched him all year. I don't how Randle got All-Defensive team votes but he did. Randle was also a significant cog in the Knicks defense that was one of the best in the league which has got to say something.

Randle had months at a time this past season where he couldn't miss and he was the focus of most all defenses. I am just imagining him on a team where he is the 3rd option; I just don't know how you can say he would not be a spot up 3 point shooter when he flat beat out Wiggins.

Will Randle regress? On the Knicks, probably. But will Wiggins ever lead his team on O and get MVP votes? Prob not.

I’m not really comparing Wiggins and Randle in this trade. For me, you can ask those questions about the #7 Pick or Wiseman. Will the #7 pick lead this team in points? Maybe. Will Wiseman lead the team in rebounds and get all defense votes?

For me, the moment you recognize that Randle’s (and Barretts) rebounds are bolstered by the box outs required from the Center position in Thibs’ offense. His assists are bolstered from the offense being force fed through him. This is the heliocentric concept. It’s more prolific in today’s NBA. But to presume Randle is the only player that can perform at this level with these stat boosts, I think Barrett could take just as dramatic a bump in growth.

This is my statement “fattening” up for the kill. Pad his stats and see what he is worth on the market. Thing is, Randle boosted other stats that a skill stats as well. His 3pt went up. His TO went down. He deserves credit. But if a trade like this existed with GS, I’d take it and run.

As for GS’ use of Randle al— Randle is a tank compared to the players they are putting on the Court. I see a PF or a small ball C with Dray slotting back to SF.

Curry/Thompson/Green/Randle/Robinson - legit squad.

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6/28/2021  5:35 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2021  5:56 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:ewwwwwwwwwwww I hate this trade

Wiggins is trash and this trade would make the Warriors picks next to worthless. But at least we’d slightly upgrade at Center. What’s not to love about this trade?

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6/28/2021  5:36 AM
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

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6/28/2021  5:57 AM
y2zipper wrote:I think that I would make this trade and then I'd probably move pick 21 to get Wiggins out. There's an opportunity here for the Knicks to rebuild this younger and thats what they should do if they can't get a star.

So we’re trading for Wiggins just to get rid of him? Lol

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y2zipper wrote:I think that I would make this trade and then I'd probably move pick 21 to get Wiggins out. There's an opportunity here for the Knicks to rebuild this younger and thats what they should do if they can't get a star.

So we’re trading for Wiggins just to get rid of him? Lol

ITs a “process”!

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6/28/2021  8:56 AM
Philc1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:I think that I would make this trade and then I'd probably move pick 21 to get Wiggins out. There's an opportunity here for the Knicks to rebuild this younger and thats what they should do if they can't get a star.

So we’re trading for Wiggins just to get rid of him? Lol

You are accepting Wiggins in a trade to get the 7 pick and Wiseman. I don't need to give up a pick to get rid of Wiggins. He is a capable player that is probably just making a bit too much money. In connection with prep for the 2023 Free agency class, his contract is a timely expiration.

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EwingsGlass wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:I think that I would make this trade and then I'd probably move pick 21 to get Wiggins out. There's an opportunity here for the Knicks to rebuild this younger and thats what they should do if they can't get a star.

So we’re trading for Wiggins just to get rid of him? Lol

You are accepting Wiggins in a trade to get the 7 pick and Wiseman. I don't need to give up a pick to get rid of Wiggins. He is a capable player that is probably just making a bit too much money. In connection with prep for the 2023 Free agency class, his contract is a timely expiration.

We have prep for the last 3 FA class, and went home with almost all of our cap space, if we didn't throw it all on 1 yr salaries.

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6/28/2021  9:14 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2021  9:16 AM
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Philc1 wrote:
y2zipper wrote:I think that I would make this trade and then I'd probably move pick 21 to get Wiggins out. There's an opportunity here for the Knicks to rebuild this younger and thats what they should do if they can't get a star.

So we’re trading for Wiggins just to get rid of him? Lol

You are accepting Wiggins in a trade to get the 7 pick and Wiseman. I don't need to give up a pick to get rid of Wiggins. He is a capable player that is probably just making a bit too much money. In connection with prep for the 2023 Free agency class, his contract is a timely expiration.

I’d much rather keep Randle and Mitch. Only player in this draft I would offer this package for is Cade and that’s never happening


We can use Bird rights to lock up Randle and Mitch after next season after signing 1-2 big time free agents

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6/28/2021  9:18 AM
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

If you trade Randle, why is Lillard coming here?

Knicks make this trade to form a young core with by adding Wiseman, 7, 14, 21 and 32 in a deep draft. They'd still have roughly $40mm to fill holes in that roster.

Bring back Rose, Noel, Bullock, Gibson

Young roster, its not enough to win a championship. Perhaps a step back from last year. If you are working with this roster for the next two years and sitting on good cap space with many Bird exception players in 2023? Its clear the roster has a huge hole where Randle was.

Rose
Barrett
Wiggins
Gibson
Noel

#7 Bouknight
IQ
Bullock
Toppin
Wiseman

#14 = Garuba?
#21 = Duarte?
#32 = Sims?
Knox

2023 Lineup

Bouknight/
Duarte/IQ
Barrett/
Toppin/Garuba
Wiseman/Sims

2022 Knicks Pick
2023 Dallas Pick
2023 Knicks Pick

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6/28/2021  9:29 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/28/2021  9:29 AM
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Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

If you trade Randle, why is Lillard coming here?

Knicks make this trade to form a young core with by adding Wiseman, 7, 14, 21 and 32 in a deep draft. They'd still have roughly $40mm to fill holes in that roster.

Bring back Rose, Noel, Bullock, Gibson

Young roster, its not enough to win a championship. Perhaps a step back from last year. If you are working with this roster for the next two years and sitting on good cap space with many Bird exception players in 2023? Its clear the roster has a huge hole where Randle was.

Rose
Barrett
Wiggins
Gibson
Noel

#7 Bouknight
IQ
Bullock
Toppin
Wiseman

#14 = Garuba?
#21 = Duarte?
#32 = Sims?
Knox

2023 Lineup

Bouknight/
Duarte/IQ
Barrett/
Toppin/Garuba
Wiseman/Sims

2022 Knicks Pick
2023 Dallas Pick
2023 Knicks Pick

it’s a trade. Unless Lillard has a no trade clause in his contract which may be the case he’d have to come here

If this draft is deep we should be fine with the picks we have. Only guy I’m trading both Randle and Mitch for is a superstar lock point guard like Cade

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6/28/2021  9:36 AM
with GS, and this is the easy part to type, we could employ a 3rd team.
Or……..
We are the third team. So many combos to work this in.

If your at the 7th can we move up some if we add a pick? Not to Cade but Suggs at the 4?
Granted, we rebooting younger without Randle. Noah and Wiseman at the 5. I won’t say OBI starts but Wiggins at the wing for now, RJ at the 2. Thibs has to chill the **** out and grow it.

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6/28/2021  9:59 AM
Philc1 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

If you trade Randle, why is Lillard coming here?

Knicks make this trade to form a young core with by adding Wiseman, 7, 14, 21 and 32 in a deep draft. They'd still have roughly $40mm to fill holes in that roster.

Bring back Rose, Noel, Bullock, Gibson

Young roster, its not enough to win a championship. Perhaps a step back from last year. If you are working with this roster for the next two years and sitting on good cap space with many Bird exception players in 2023? Its clear the roster has a huge hole where Randle was.

Rose
Barrett
Wiggins
Gibson
Noel

#7 Bouknight
IQ
Bullock
Toppin
Wiseman

#14 = Garuba?
#21 = Duarte?
#32 = Sims?
Knox

2023 Lineup

Bouknight/
Duarte/IQ
Barrett/
Toppin/Garuba
Wiseman/Sims

2022 Knicks Pick
2023 Dallas Pick
2023 Knicks Pick

it’s a trade. Unless Lillard has a no trade clause in his contract which may be the case he’d have to come here

If this draft is deep we should be fine with the picks we have. Only guy I’m trading both Randle and Mitch for is a superstar lock point guard like Cade

Portland is only trading Lillard if he forces the trade. No one is committing to accepting Lillard's supermax unless he pushes for that trade.

I actually think GSW rejects this trade cause they are giving up too much. So, we can disagree but I would take that trade all day and believe we committed highway robbery.

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6/28/2021  10:39 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

If you trade Randle, why is Lillard coming here?

Knicks make this trade to form a young core with by adding Wiseman, 7, 14, 21 and 32 in a deep draft. They'd still have roughly $40mm to fill holes in that roster.

Bring back Rose, Noel, Bullock, Gibson

Young roster, its not enough to win a championship. Perhaps a step back from last year. If you are working with this roster for the next two years and sitting on good cap space with many Bird exception players in 2023? Its clear the roster has a huge hole where Randle was.

Rose
Barrett
Wiggins
Gibson
Noel

#7 Bouknight
IQ
Bullock
Toppin
Wiseman

#14 = Garuba?
#21 = Duarte?
#32 = Sims?
Knox

2023 Lineup

Bouknight/
Duarte/IQ
Barrett/
Toppin/Garuba
Wiseman/Sims

2022 Knicks Pick
2023 Dallas Pick
2023 Knicks Pick

You must want THIBS and Leon to get fired.

This is god awful

ES
TPercy
Posts: 28010
Alba Posts: 1
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Member: #5748

6/28/2021  11:16 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

If you trade Randle, why is Lillard coming here?

Knicks make this trade to form a young core with by adding Wiseman, 7, 14, 21 and 32 in a deep draft. They'd still have roughly $40mm to fill holes in that roster.

Bring back Rose, Noel, Bullock, Gibson

Young roster, its not enough to win a championship. Perhaps a step back from last year. If you are working with this roster for the next two years and sitting on good cap space with many Bird exception players in 2023? Its clear the roster has a huge hole where Randle was.

Rose
Barrett
Wiggins
Gibson
Noel

#7 Bouknight
IQ
Bullock
Toppin
Wiseman

#14 = Garuba?
#21 = Duarte?
#32 = Sims?
Knox

2023 Lineup

Bouknight/
Duarte/IQ
Barrett/
Toppin/Garuba
Wiseman/Sims

2022 Knicks Pick
2023 Dallas Pick
2023 Knicks Pick

You must want THIBS and Leon to get fired.

This is god awful

Yeah I must admit myself I'm not happy with this. I enjoyed watching my Knicks be a competitive team for once. I like this draft but not so much that I want to give up Randle to move up.

The Future is Bright!
BigDaddyG
Posts: 39803
Alba Posts: 9
Joined: 1/22/2010
Member: #3049

6/28/2021  11:48 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
TPercy wrote:I don’t like this. I’d rather keep Randle. Keon Johnson is a big red flag to me. He’s got project written all over him and there isn’t a single thing he can contribute besides D. Hard pass.

If we trade Randle I want Lillard back

If you trade Randle, why is Lillard coming here?

Knicks make this trade to form a young core with by adding Wiseman, 7, 14, 21 and 32 in a deep draft. They'd still have roughly $40mm to fill holes in that roster.

Bring back Rose, Noel, Bullock, Gibson

Young roster, its not enough to win a championship. Perhaps a step back from last year. If you are working with this roster for the next two years and sitting on good cap space with many Bird exception players in 2023? Its clear the roster has a huge hole where Randle was.

Rose
Barrett
Wiggins
Gibson
Noel

#7 Bouknight
IQ
Bullock
Toppin
Wiseman

#14 = Garuba?
#21 = Duarte?
#32 = Sims?
Knox

2023 Lineup

Bouknight/
Duarte/IQ
Barrett/
Toppin/Garuba
Wiseman/Sims

2022 Knicks Pick
2023 Dallas Pick
2023 Knicks Pick

You must want THIBS and Leon to get fired.

This is god awful

Yeah...I agree. Why even bother re-signing Bullock and Rose at this point. Mind as well go full OKC Thunder.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
Food for thought: Knicks-GS trade (Randle, Mitch for Wiseman, Wiggins with picks going both ways)

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