NYKBocker wrote:

Philc1 wrote:I wonder if the pistons will draft Cade since they already have DSJ locking down PG

jk

They have Killian Hayes. Because of this, would they draft Green instead?

Nalod wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Welpee wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Welpee wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Some fallout here. Lowry is likely gone with his replacement at pick 4. Cleveland may also look at a guard and try to move Collin Sexton on draft night, who was a Leon Rose client.

He is intriguing. Tough to get that potiental upside that young. I wonder if our 2 firsts this year and Toppin gets it done

Throw in a protected pick and it gets the job done I think. However if they take Mobley then no deal I’m afraid.

Well...there was talk about moving Sexton even before the lottery. Sexton is really a PG/combo guard playing SG. He and Garland form a very undersized backcourt and I believe together they were one of the worst starting defensive backcourts in the NBA. Also there was some talk about his teammate thinking it shoots too much.

So the issue is what would they accept in return for Sexton and given his stats they probably would want quite a bit unless they consider unloading Kevin Love's contract as valuable compensation.

The thing is that Sexton is still a really valuable piece. He's a pretty damn good volume scorer at the age of 22( 24.3 pts per game on 57.3% TS, 48% FG and 38% from 3 is no joke) and has been improving his game every year. His playmaking is bad, but his improvement in that department is pretty promising, so if there is a way to make it work, then they will. Plus, Should Jalen Green fall to them, he's not a very good defender at this stage so nothing much would change. If they snag Mobley, then they could try slotting him at the 4 with Allen.

They would definitely love a team to take KLove's deal. His injuries/ mental health issues have really hurt him not to mention his on court outbursts don't really reflect well on the team. No one would take on that contract but us doing so would give them like 60m in cap space.

Assuming Green does fall to them for whatever reason, I think a fair trade would be something like Obi + Knox + 2023 unprotected pick + protected pick in 2025 + pick swap + future 2nd for Love and Sexton.

Wow, that's a lot, especially for a player nearing the end of his rookie deal. If a team includes Love's contract in the deal I think he could be had for less than that.

If we trade for Sexton we are definitely giving him a max extension.

If we trade for him we are giving him an extension. Max? Not sure what that number is. Leon was his client. That might not work for him. For all we know Leon might not think much of him off the court. Works both ways

Knixkik wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Some fallout here. Lowry is likely gone with his replacement at pick 4. Cleveland may also look at a guard and try to move Collin Sexton on draft night, who was a Leon Rose client.

He is intriguing. Tough to get that potiental upside that young. I wonder if our 2 firsts this year and Toppin gets it done

Throw in a protected pick and it gets the job done I think. However if they take Mobley then no deal I’m afraid.

I was hoping Obi, 19, and 32. I'd hesitate to go both first rounders, considering his contract status.

Welpee wrote:

Philc1 wrote:I wonder if the pistons will draft Cade since they already have DSJ locking down PG

Yeah, tough decision. Especially since we'll soon get the inevitable DSJ professionally edited summer video showing him working out or draining threes in the gym or executing some highlight reel dunks or him scoring 50 in a pro pick up game.

DSJ will always be first team all-offseason. Will be interesting to see if he's even in the league next season. If Alonzo Trier can't find a gig how does DSJ keep a job?

Where are all these guys who were laughing at us for years for passing on the greatest pg of all time Dennis the Menace? Does Lebron still think he should be a Knick?

Philc1 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Philc1 wrote:I wonder if the pistons will draft Cade since they already have DSJ locking down PG

jk

They have Killian Hayes. Because of this, would they draft Green instead?

Not sure if serious. Cade is a generational pg talent. It just sucks he’s now in the East and we have to face him 4x a year

I hope Elf is up to the task

xavier wrote:I watch Sexton and I have to admit I’m not exactly thrilled. I mean the guy scores and I’m not saying he’s not good. But he doesn't look smooth enough on the floor and it's hard to shake off the impression that his numbers in a more serious team, where he wouldn't have all the powers, would be significantly lower. I want to say that the numbers are there, although he is not an elite shooter, but an eye test says that he is not a top player.

If we could get him as a free agent or for some reasonable package, I would say great. But since it would probably be a more significant assets in that trade, I would pass in that case.

xavier wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

xavier wrote:I watch Sexton and I have to admit I’m not exactly thrilled. I mean the guy scores and I’m not saying he’s not good. But he doesn't look smooth enough on the floor and it's hard to shake off the impression that his numbers in a more serious team, where he wouldn't have all the powers, would be significantly lower. I want to say that the numbers are there, although he is not an elite shooter, but an eye test says that he is not a top player.

If we could get him as a free agent or for some reasonable package, I would say great. But since it would probably be a more significant assets in that trade, I would pass in that case.

He isn't perfect, and there is risk, but its rare to get a young player with that scoring punch off a rookie deal. I think at worst he is a Deangelo Russel level player which isn't awful

I agree, that's what I want to say. As I wrote, he's far from being bad and lacking in potential and as you say, there is rarely even a chance to get to such a player.

But I would not want to sell the farm for him because he would very likely be our third option at the moment. I just don’t see him as someone for who I would say “yes, I want him, do whatever it takes to get him”.

Sexton would at the very least be a 2nd option and he definitely would grow into the 1st option once his playmaking develops. He has a more diverse scoring package than Randle so I wouldn’t be surprised.

xavier wrote:I watch Sexton and I have to admit I’m not exactly thrilled. I mean the guy scores and I’m not saying he’s not good. But he doesn't look smooth enough on the floor and it's hard to shake off the impression that his numbers in a more serious team, where he wouldn't have all the powers, would be significantly lower. I want to say that the numbers are there, although he is not an elite shooter, but an eye test says that he is not a top player.

If we could get him as a free agent or for some reasonable package, I would say great. But since it would probably be a more significant assets in that trade, I would pass in that case.

xavier wrote:

TPercy wrote:

xavier wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

xavier wrote:I watch Sexton and I have to admit I’m not exactly thrilled. I mean the guy scores and I’m not saying he’s not good. But he doesn't look smooth enough on the floor and it's hard to shake off the impression that his numbers in a more serious team, where he wouldn't have all the powers, would be significantly lower. I want to say that the numbers are there, although he is not an elite shooter, but an eye test says that he is not a top player.

If we could get him as a free agent or for some reasonable package, I would say great. But since it would probably be a more significant assets in that trade, I would pass in that case.

He isn't perfect, and there is risk, but its rare to get a young player with that scoring punch off a rookie deal. I think at worst he is a Deangelo Russel level player which isn't awful

I agree, that's what I want to say. As I wrote, he's far from being bad and lacking in potential and as you say, there is rarely even a chance to get to such a player.

But I would not want to sell the farm for him because he would very likely be our third option at the moment. I just don’t see him as someone for who I would say “yes, I want him, do whatever it takes to get him”.

Sexton would at the very least be a 2nd option and he definitely would grow into the 1st option once his playmaking develops. He has a more diverse scoring package than Randle so I wouldn’t be surprised.

If he could be the first option on a serious team, he would not be available at all. We can’t look at his this year numbers achieved in a team that finished with 22 wins (and that’s more wins than the Cavs had last two seasons).

I say again, I have nothing against a kid, but you can hardly hope for anything serious if he is more than your third option.

That’s a fair assessment if you’re a believer he will grow into a star. The trade package to get him hopefully would reflect that too. I think he is a few seasons away from making that potential jump, but he has talent. Right now I don’t think he is the best fit next to RJ and Randle but he could definitely grow into it.

Of the guards, Garland would be the one I would say “go all in” to get but the Cavs aren’t looking to trade him.

TPercy wrote:

xavier wrote:

TPercy wrote:

xavier wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

xavier wrote:I watch Sexton and I have to admit I’m not exactly thrilled. I mean the guy scores and I’m not saying he’s not good. But he doesn't look smooth enough on the floor and it's hard to shake off the impression that his numbers in a more serious team, where he wouldn't have all the powers, would be significantly lower. I want to say that the numbers are there, although he is not an elite shooter, but an eye test says that he is not a top player.

If we could get him as a free agent or for some reasonable package, I would say great. But since it would probably be a more significant assets in that trade, I would pass in that case.

He isn't perfect, and there is risk, but its rare to get a young player with that scoring punch off a rookie deal. I think at worst he is a Deangelo Russel level player which isn't awful

I agree, that's what I want to say. As I wrote, he's far from being bad and lacking in potential and as you say, there is rarely even a chance to get to such a player.

But I would not want to sell the farm for him because he would very likely be our third option at the moment. I just don’t see him as someone for who I would say “yes, I want him, do whatever it takes to get him”.

Sexton would at the very least be a 2nd option and he definitely would grow into the 1st option once his playmaking develops. He has a more diverse scoring package than Randle so I wouldn’t be surprised.

If he could be the first option on a serious team, he would not be available at all. We can’t look at his this year numbers achieved in a team that finished with 22 wins (and that’s more wins than the Cavs had last two seasons).

I say again, I have nothing against a kid, but you can hardly hope for anything serious if he is more than your third option.

Have you seen that Cavs roster? Only about half of them actually belong in the NBA and the ones that do are either fringe players or guys that are a poor fit around him( can't space the floor, don't move off the ball, etc...).

Kevin Love by himself makes it difficult for a team to win more than 25 games unless Lebron is around

i can definitely see someone trading for the #3 pick. could be okc moving 6 and a bunch of other picks or i think some all star or fringe all star may get dealt there for #3.