martin wrote:

xavier wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Welpee wrote:

xavier wrote:

wargames wrote:

xavier wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:I really love Thibs as a coach. It's well deserved. He is our best coach since Lenny Wilkens. But he is not perfect and his offensive schemes need a major overhaul. Next season will be a big test for him. Will he evolve into an even better version of himself or will it be ISO after ISO with no end in sight. We shall see

Thibs is not an offensive guru, that’s a clear thing. But even if we had a coach who is much better in that segment, there is no chance he would repeat Thibs’ success who defensively made a miracle out of this team.

I want to say that COY is more than deservedly his.

They need to hire an offensive coach assistant or an offensive coordinator. Not to make calls in game but to work on the schemes and rotation before them.

That sounds reasonable. Who did that part of the job anyway? Thibs himself in consultation with assistants or was there a strict division?

Thibs is a great motivator and call maker in the game, but it would be good to have some modern offensive analyst with him.

I think you guys are making assumptions that may not be true. He probably already has someone in that role. Based on what I've read about Thibs, I seriously doubt that he's the exact opposite of D'Antoni who had zero interest in defense had a coaching philosophy of acquire better offensive players and get as many shot attempts up as possible.

I think Thib cares and works on the offense even though defense is his focus. Hard to be great at both given our talent level.

+1 This
If Thibs only cares about defense, why is Frankie glued to the bench as a cameo bit player? Because he doesn't recognize Frankie would be StephIverCurry if only the right sets were being called?

Maybe we didn't understand each other the best, where did I say that Thibs only cares about defense or that he doesn't have anyone by his side for the offensive part?

First, I prefer defense and that's why I like Thibs so much, but second, whether he had someone in charge of the attack or not, the fact is that we could have been a little more modern and diverse in the attack.

Is the talent level of the team ever considered or is is just expected that a coach should be able to take anyone and magically be super good?

Knicks were bereft of a PG and a wing who could put the ball on the floor (Rose aside) and you think that the offense should have been more modern and diverse in the attack?

First let me say that I am absolutely thrilled with everything Thibs has done this season. As I wrote, I always choose defense between defense and attack. Also, if we had the best possible offensively oriented coach, there is no chance he would have had this score at the end of the season. Thibs did a miracle.

I’ve already written that we were limited by offensive talent and didn’t have a starting caliber PG so I don’t attack Thibs at all. But I guess I can write that there were moments when we could get a little more out of the team game instead of most of our attacks going through Randle and he ends them with either a shot or a pass.

xavier wrote:

Kemet wrote:I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more to win the coach of the year award ....

I disagree, Thibs absolutely deservedly won this award. Kudos to Monty, but the difference between talent on the roster and score is bigger with the Knicks. As for the Suns, I’d say Paul deserves credit for the score at least as much as Monty.

What do you mean by "I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more"? Well they never even counted. These are all regular season awards. If the playoffs were counted, then they would not be awarded while the second round of the playoffs is being played. Not to mention that the voting was done even earlier...

xavier wrote:

Kemet wrote:Hold-on .. This is hard to chew with all 32 ....
I'm a die hard Knicks Fan of HOF Red Holzman's defense makes the best offense.

I will agree, Thibs did an outstanding job throughout a Covid-19 72 game season of empty seated stadiums .. When the fans came back to fill up the seats in the stadiums, and the crowd became part of the game .. Thibs went 1-4 having 5 consistent awful coached games from tip-off.

Monty Williams Phoenix Suns wins 51 games in a 72 game season, plus knocks out Lebron's championship Lakers in the first-round of the playoff!
The Knicks had a sorry postseason from poor coaching/substitution from Thibs.
I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more to win the coach of the year award ....
Beside Monty Williams, their were other candidates much worthy of the award .. Snyder, Malone, Nash, Doc Rivers, Carlise, and even Nate McMillian did a much better job coaching same-page chemistry in their rotation than Thibs .... Conspiracy at its highest !!!

I disagree, Thibs absolutely deservedly won this award. Kudos to Monty, but the difference between talent on the roster and score is bigger with the Knicks. As for the Suns, I’d say Paul deserves credit for the score at least as much as Monty.

What do you mean by "I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more"? Well they never even counted. These are all regular season awards. If the playoffs were counted, then they would not be awarded while the second round of the playoffs is being played. Not to mention that the voting was done even earlier...

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Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:Monty should have gotten COY award. Tibs did a good job But they were the least prepared in post season. I also the young players weren’t as developed as they should have been.

1) The vote is taken after the regular season so how would anybody know we weren't "prepared" for the post season? 2) Miami got swept in the playoffs, but we were the "least prepared?" 3) Phoenix has a future hall of famer starting at PG. Think that may have impacted what the Suns were able to accomplish?

We have a former MVP at point guard. Miami got cleaned out in playoffs yes you are correct. But since we are a regular season 4 seed at that. We got our butt whooped by a lower seed. So yes we were the least prepared team was the Knicks. And a coach was very ridged in his lack of rotation and understand of his roster. Last night Doc Rivers goes to his bench and finds the spark. Would it have hurt Tibs to look for a spark maybe like letting Frank play against Trae. No I don’t think Tibs should have gotten coach of the year. Also remember most of this was done with minimal fans in attendance. When fans were in the Knicks folded like a cheap tent.

So let me make sure I understand this. Not playing Frank was the key to our playoff failure? If Thibs played Frank and he stunk like he did the rest of the season, you would be satisfied with Thibs?

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:Monty should have gotten COY award. Tibs did a good job But they were the least prepared in post season. I also the young players weren’t as developed as they should have been.

1) The vote is taken after the regular season so how would anybody know we weren't "prepared" for the post season? 2) Miami got swept in the playoffs, but we were the "least prepared?" 3) Phoenix has a future hall of famer starting at PG. Think that may have impacted what the Suns were able to accomplish?

We have a former MVP at point guard. Miami got cleaned out in playoffs yes you are correct. But since we are a regular season 4 seed at that. We got our butt whooped by a lower seed. So yes we were the least prepared team was the Knicks. And a coach was very ridged in his lack of rotation and understand of his roster. Last night Doc Rivers goes to his bench and finds the spark. Would it have hurt Tibs to look for a spark maybe like letting Frank play against Trae. No I don’t think Tibs should have gotten coach of the year. Also remember most of this was done with minimal fans in attendance. When fans were in the Knicks folded like a cheap tent.

LOL, D Rose was MVP like 10 years ago! Chris Paul was being mentioned as an MVP candidate this year. We finished tied with the Hawks and got the 4th seed via the tie breaker. So if Miami had won one more game and we ended up with the 6th seed would that have dramatically changed your perspective?

So let me make sure I understand this. Not playing Frank was the key to our playoff failure? If Thibs played Frank and he stunk like he did the rest of the season, you would be satisfied with Thibs?

I could make sense of Monty not receiving the COY award for having CP3 ....
However, the acquisition of D.Rose in the Knicks rotation in February, when the Knick record were 11-15 from having 5 and 3 game losing streaks would've been more consistent without the addition og D.Rose in the Knicks lockerroom & on the court.
It was D.Rose dynamic performance that lead the Knicks in having a 12-1 winning streak by being the spark coming off the bench, plus in the post season games D.Rose had an outstanding performance to over-come a Hawks 13 point lead in the 2nd half to win Game-2 being the spark off the bench.
Without D.Rose coach Thibs would not have reached .500 this season !!!
During the regular season D.Rose were the spark-plug off the bench to energize the bench players into outscoring & out-defending the majority of their opponents.
Yes, in the playoffs the Knicks did need a defensive-spark player to slow scoring-star Trae Young down, it didn't have to be Frank, it could've been Payton, or someone to get Capela in early foul trouble to stop Capela intimidation from getting 3 to 4 blocks a game.

Kemet wrote:Hold-on .. This is hard to chew with all 32 ....
I'm a die hard Knicks Fan of HOF Red Holzman's defense makes the best offense.

I will agree, Thibs did an outstanding job throughout a Covid-19 72 game season of empty seated stadiums .. When the fans came back to fill up the seats in the stadiums, and the crowd became part of the game .. Thibs went 1-4 having 5 consistent awful coached games from tip-off.

Monty Williams Phoenix Suns wins 51 games in a 72 game season, plus knocks out Lebron's championship Lakers in the first-round of the playoff!
The Knicks had a sorry postseason from poor coaching/substitution from Thibs.
I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more to win the coach of the year award ....
Beside Monty Williams, their were other candidates much worthy of the award .. Snyder, Malone, Nash, Doc Rivers, Carlise, and even Nate McMillian did a much better job coaching same-page chemistry in their rotation than Thibs .... Conspiracy at its highest !!!

Why not just say congrats? Who is on the Sun's roster? Knicks? You do know it's not all about record right?

foosballnick wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:Hold-on .. This is hard to chew with all 32 ....
I'm a die hard Knicks Fan of HOF Red Holzman's defense makes the best offense.

I will agree, Thibs did an outstanding job throughout a Covid-19 72 game season of empty seated stadiums .. When the fans came back to fill up the seats in the stadiums, and the crowd became part of the game .. Thibs went 1-4 having 5 consistent awful coached games from tip-off.

Monty Williams Phoenix Suns wins 51 games in a 72 game season, plus knocks out Lebron's championship Lakers in the first-round of the playoff!
The Knicks had a sorry postseason from poor coaching/substitution from Thibs.
I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more to win the coach of the year award ....
Beside Monty Williams, their were other candidates much worthy of the award .. Snyder, Malone, Nash, Doc Rivers, Carlise, and even Nate McMillian did a much better job coaching same-page chemistry in their rotation than Thibs .... Conspiracy at its highest !!!

Why not just say congrats? Who is in the Sun's roster? Knicks? You do know it's not all about record right?

Not to worry. Kemet's the same guy who thinks Chris Childs was a stud PG.

While I think Monty has done a great job, he had the help of one of the best pure PG's in NBA history. One that hit ridiculous shots down the stretch of two big wins in the first round. Suns also have Booker who went for 47 in game 7 and is showing he is an elite talent. Knicks had there best two players struggle in their series against the Hawks. And a young player break out to show he may be a Superstar. All factors that have nothing to do with coaching.

Panos wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Welpee wrote:

Vmart wrote:Monty should have gotten COY award. Tibs did a good job But they were the least prepared in post season. I also the young players weren’t as developed as they should have been.

1) The vote is taken after the regular season so how would anybody know we weren't "prepared" for the post season? 2) Miami got swept in the playoffs, but we were the "least prepared?" 3) Phoenix has a future hall of famer starting at PG. Think that may have impacted what the Suns were able to accomplish?

We have a former MVP at point guard. Miami got cleaned out in playoffs yes you are correct. But since we are a regular season 4 seed at that. We got our butt whooped by a lower seed. So yes we were the least prepared team was the Knicks. And a coach was very ridged in his lack of rotation and understand of his roster. Last night Doc Rivers goes to his bench and finds the spark. Would it have hurt Tibs to look for a spark maybe like letting Frank play against Trae. No I don’t think Tibs should have gotten coach of the year. Also remember most of this was done with minimal fans in attendance. When fans were in the Knicks folded like a cheap tent.

OMG, we have a former MVP at point guard. Why not say we have a former player that was a complete bust the last time he was in NYC a few seasons ago, and btw, who MOST POSTERS on this site didn't even want to trade for him for broke-ass DSjr, who will be out of the league shortly?
My, how desperate you sound to make a point.

I love this "fans in attendence" theory floating around. Like a 5 game sample of *anything* can form a correlation. Are you saying we didn't have any bad five game stretches during the season when fans were *not* present? Its so great that you are not rigid and understand the roster so much better than this man that spends every waking hour with the team or otherwise studying the game of basketball. What are your qualifications for understanding the roster?

Literally the most important piece of data is below. This is how each team did vs. their vegas win total prediction. Notice its pretty solid data set except one outlier.

Now to be fair we did make the trade of the century turning bench guy heading out of the league and 2nd round pick into a FORMER MVP

Even the Rockets who started with Harden and spent half the season tanking didn't underachieve as much as the Knick overachieved.

foosballnick wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

Kemet wrote:Hold-on .. This is hard to chew with all 32 ....
I'm a die hard Knicks Fan of HOF Red Holzman's defense makes the best offense.

I will agree, Thibs did an outstanding job throughout a Covid-19 72 game season of empty seated stadiums .. When the fans came back to fill up the seats in the stadiums, and the crowd became part of the game .. Thibs went 1-4 having 5 consistent awful coached games from tip-off.

Monty Williams Phoenix Suns wins 51 games in a 72 game season, plus knocks out Lebron's championship Lakers in the first-round of the playoff!
The Knicks had a sorry postseason from poor coaching/substitution from Thibs.
I guess the postseason games doesn't count any more to win the coach of the year award ....
Beside Monty Williams, their were other candidates much worthy of the award .. Snyder, Malone, Nash, Doc Rivers, Carlise, and even Nate McMillian did a much better job coaching same-page chemistry in their rotation than Thibs .... Conspiracy at its highest !!!

Why not just say congrats? Who is in the Sun's roster? Knicks? You do know it's not all about record right?

Not to worry. Kemet's the same guy who thinks Chris Childs was a stud PG.

He wasn’t?