I wrote that I would consider a trade of Randle and a pick for Wiseman or a top pick (Suggs, Green, Mobley, Cade). Nothing about Kuminga and didn't say I would trade Mitch and Randle so not accurate bud. If you want to talk about what I wrote I'm all ears but let's keep it correct.

TPercy wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

TPercy wrote:Lord have mercy. This fan base doesn't deserve a damn thing. A player busts his ass after being a laughingstock to become a top 20 NBA player and a significant portion want to trade him. At the very least you give him another season to prove himself. I believe that he will come back next season hungrier with an even better skill set. Beyond pathetic stuff I’m seeing here and these same fans will wonder why no one wants to play for us.

Millions upon millions of Knicks fans around the world. It's only the same 4-5 people here and that would be true in most platforms. The same 10 guys on Twitter or the same 10 guys on Facebook or the same 10 guys somewhere else.

I don't think the majority of Knicks fans want to trade Randle, I believe they love this team and want it to win a championship, and whatever path that goes down, which includes possibly trading Randle OR even not trading him, would be OK with them.

Before the Hawks series, I said the Knicks should take Randle's team option and then evaluate him another year. They don't need to make a decision now. They have time to be patient and observe if this years Randle is more the truth or his first ugly year as a Knick. I posit that it's probably somewhere in the middle. Even if Randle played the second coming of Oscar Robertson, I'd say the same thing, take the team option, wait and be patient and get more information before making a huge decision.

Would I trade Randle? What's the trade offer?

Doncic, Curry, AD, Jokic. That's about it. That's the list of truly untouchable players that their franchises won't trade. Every other player in the league could be traded to get one of those guys. ( To be fair, Curry is worth more to the Warriors than anyone else and that's a big part of why they would never trade him) Dame Lillard is the heart and soul of the Trail Blazer and if they were offered Doncic straight up for him, they'd duct tape Lillard into a big ball, sell advertising to Capri Sun to put logos on the outside and roll him to Dallas.

So no, Randle is not untradeable. Very few players are in that situation. However very few teams will want to trade lots of assets for the risk of a rental plus the risk of likely regression.

If the Knicks trade Randle, it's not disloyal. It's not a mark against his hard work this year. Let's not pretend if the Knicks were offered Doncic for Randle straight up, they wouldn't have me come in, put Randle into a beat up Subaru, have me fill it with glitter and gummy worms, weld the doors shut, and build a trebuchet to launch him to his new team.

It's literally 4-5 guys saying the same things over and over. They don't reflect the entire fan base.

I know UK isn’t reflective of the entire fanbase and I’m not even saying the majority of Knicks fans want to trade him. I think the fact that there is the thought of trading him right after a bad playoff series dosent make sense and I know he isn’t untradeable but as I said before he is owed another season to prove himself.

Who said Randle is untraceable? I havent heard anybody say this on this entire site. Yes he deserves another year. He's the only player willing to deal with this fan base and embrace the challenge of making this team relevant again.

However, if someone offers a top 2 pick. I think you have to take it.

Allanfan20 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:He is not batman. He is robin. Now we just need to get our batman. Need a primary ball handler. Rose is great but a lot of miles on his wheels. Maybe IQ can develop into that.

However, if someone offers a top 2 pick. I think you have to take it.

A top 2 pick for who? Randle?

Throw in Knox........You know the drill. Not enough, enough picks to make it happen.
Its all on paper. Why not? Minnesota exists for our benefit. They want what we got. Why would they want to keep the pick? They only gonna **** it up AGAIN!!!!!!

With that in mind, HoopsHype polled eight executives and five scouts for their thoughts on whether Randle’s career year was a fluke and whether or not they would offer him that max extension this summer if they were the Knicks. Of those polled, four said they’d offer the max extension, two were unsure, and seven said they’d wait until next summer to make a long-term financial commitment to Randle.

...main reasons for waiting is that randle is not seen as a #1 guy and therefore won't get the max from another team next summer so you won't end up spending 200m to keep him unless you misplay it.

ESOMKnicks wrote:The questions are not posed well. Apart from the likes of Jordan, LeBron or Hakeem, everyone is tradeable for the right return. Hell, even Shaq got traded.

To me, the right time to trade Randle was this season before the deadline, when his trade stock as at an all-time high, and we could have tanked the rest of the season to get a decent draft pick. Now, I cannot imagine whom we could obtain in a realistic trade for him that would make the team better than what it has been this season. And if we trade him up for picks, it would mean that this whole season was one massive mistake, because we chose not to tank for one of the strongest draft classes in history.

So, in reality, there is no way to trade Randle. Randle is the Knicks, and the Knicks are Randle, for better or for worse.

The season before Philly began their "process" they reached the eastern conference semis. Nine seasons later when they're suppose to be seeing the fruits of their "process" they've yet to advanced past the eastern conference semis. We'll see if this is finally the year.

doomed wrote:why would any sane Knicks fan "want" to trade Randle? Forget this crap about how great he is or isn't. We know he's a plus player at the PF position. We know there aren't that many PFs in the game that can bring more than what Randle can bring to this team. Yes, he struggled in this series but why are so many fans looking to just dump this guy? 3-4 games doesn't erase the value of Julius Randle. It doesn't erase how improved a player Randle is.

He's still on a cheap deal. He NEVER gets hurt. The dude averaged 23, 10 and 6! Let that sink in.

You're only trading Randle if you're getting a clear cut super star guard in return and even then, I am only trading Randle for that player if I know for sure I cannot get that same player without dealing Randle.

Fans can't wait to make doomsday declarations after a fu*&ing week of games. Can't wait to say this guy can't cut it or that guy is a living legend before the ink is even wet on the guy's career.

Randle needs help. Want Randle to play better in these playoff games? Perhaps we should add a player around him that the opposition doesn't LOL at. Barrett? Please. Barrett is a nice little player that can't carry an offense if his life depended on it. Maybe he gets there one day, but I wouldn't bet on it. His skill set doesn't come close to that kind of player.

If we had 2 Randle's, we're still playing. Don't get rid of the only guy on this team that sniffs an all star game just because he cost you money on draftkings.

Patrick Ewing couldn't get it done in the playoffs either. Learn from history!

Thibs traded for D.Rose to put D.Rose in the Knicks starter lineup.
D.Rose refuse to be in the starter lineup. Why?
When Thibs finally talked D.Rose into getting into the starter lineup in the playoff .. no more to be said.

I wonder what Randle stats would be like if he average 30 minute per game like the average NBA stars?
It won't be near the 23, 10, 6
Plus under pressure Randle has not improve his derelict 4th qtr. performance.
Randle like Melo never played the PF position for the Knicks, and both of their performances are 4th quarter losers when they receive ball on offense.
No star FA came to the Knicks having Melo always playing the PG, and no star FA will come to the Knicks having Randle always playing the PG!
Recall .. Melo ask Denver to trade him because super-star PG Billups took the ball out of his hands.
Melo and Randle have no Game down-low as a PF on offense/defense, especially in the postseason games.
I'm happy Thibs team defense & D.Rose high scoring made Randle an allstar, now that Randle receive the MIP award .. Randle's value has triple .. Trade Randle asap, or be stuck with another ball-hogging PG Melo, name Randle !!!

Welpee wrote:

Kemet wrote:

doomed wrote:why would any sane Knicks fan "want" to trade Randle? Forget this crap about how great he is or isn't. We know he's a plus player at the PF position. We know there aren't that many PFs in the game that can bring more than what Randle can bring to this team. Yes, he struggled in this series but why are so many fans looking to just dump this guy? 3-4 games doesn't erase the value of Julius Randle. It doesn't erase how improved a player Randle is.

He's still on a cheap deal. He NEVER gets hurt. The dude averaged 23, 10 and 6! Let that sink in.

You're only trading Randle if you're getting a clear cut super star guard in return and even then, I am only trading Randle for that player if I know for sure I cannot get that same player without dealing Randle.

Fans can't wait to make doomsday declarations after a fu*&ing week of games. Can't wait to say this guy can't cut it or that guy is a living legend before the ink is even wet on the guy's career.

Randle needs help. Want Randle to play better in these playoff games? Perhaps we should add a player around him that the opposition doesn't LOL at. Barrett? Please. Barrett is a nice little player that can't carry an offense if his life depended on it. Maybe he gets there one day, but I wouldn't bet on it. His skill set doesn't come close to that kind of player.

If we had 2 Randle's, we're still playing. Don't get rid of the only guy on this team that sniffs an all star game just because he cost you money on draftkings.

Patrick Ewing couldn't get it done in the playoffs either. Learn from history!

Thibs traded for D.Rose to put D.Rose in the Knicks starter lineup.
D.Rose refuse to be in the starter lineup. Why?
When Thibs finally talked D.Rose into getting into the starter lineup in the playoff .. no more to be said.

I wonder what Randle stats would be like if he average 30 minute per game like the average NBA stars?
It won't be near the 23, 10, 6
Plus under pressure Randle has not improve his derelict 4th qtr. performance.
Randle like Melo never played the PF position for the Knicks, and both of their performances are 4th quarter losers when they receive ball on offense.
No star FA came to the Knicks having Melo always playing the PG, and no star FA will come to the Knicks having Randle always playing the PG!
Recall .. Melo ask Denver to trade him because super-star PG Billups took the ball out of his hands.
Melo and Randle have no Game down-low as a PF on offense/defense, especially in the postseason games.
I'm happy Thibs team defense & D.Rose high scoring made Randle an allstar, now that Randle receive the MIP award .. Randle's value has triple .. Trade Randle asap, or be stuck with another ball-hogging PG Melo, name Randle !!!

Wow, you have a vivid imagination. You realize Billups came to NY with Melo, right? You realize they both talked about the cohesiveness they had on the court together, right? Anything else you want to make up and post?

Yeah, we all watched how Amare & Billups freeze Melo out of regular season games and the playoffs LOL
We all know Melo had something to do with the departure of PG-Billups and PG-Linsanity.
Billups never got a chance to play a whole season with the Knicks.
The Knicks STINK up the court the next season without Billups.
The feud with Billups & Melo also involved the Nuggets interim head coach who gave Melo the greenlight to run point-forward thoughout the season to get Blown-out in the first round of the playoffs, after the previous season going to the WCF under Billups.
We got rid of Rivers cause he didnt fit into Randle's game performance. Now River's a starting PG in the 2nd round of the playoff

Welpee wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:The questions are not posed well. Apart from the likes of Jordan, LeBron or Hakeem, everyone is tradeable for the right return. Hell, even Shaq got traded.

To me, the right time to trade Randle was this season before the deadline, when his trade stock as at an all-time high, and we could have tanked the rest of the season to get a decent draft pick. Now, I cannot imagine whom we could obtain in a realistic trade for him that would make the team better than what it has been this season. And if we trade him up for picks, it would mean that this whole season was one massive mistake, because we chose not to tank for one of the strongest draft classes in history.

So, in reality, there is no way to trade Randle. Randle is the Knicks, and the Knicks are Randle, for better or for worse.

I will never understand this fascination with tanking. I bet if someone actually analyzed the merits of tanking, the few highly publicized times it yielded positive results is greatly offset by how many times it hasn't worked. Heck, it hasn't worked for us since 1985 yet people still talk about it like it's an actual strategy.

The season before Philly began their "process" they reached the eastern conference semis. Nine seasons later when they're suppose to be seeing the fruits of their "process" they've yet to advanced past the eastern conference semis. We'll see if this is finally the year.

The virtues of tanking will become plain obvious once Cade, Suggs or Kuminga come over to torture the Knicks at the Garden.