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6/3/2021  6:57 AM
In terms of this season, I’m conflicted.

On one hand, I will join all of your high praises on the regular season. It’s been the best time I’ve had since Linsanity and the last playoff run. Probably more, so much so that it pushed me to make a trip to NY and be part of this special season by going to my first NBA and Knicks game in NY. It was special and represented the hardworking and overachieving nature of the city and the fans.

Now, I’ll be honest and say that I feel very sad about the ending, and not because we lost. I’m sad that the Knicks never looked like the hardworking, good adjusting, overachieving team that always found a way. We looked so overmatched, it just left me this hallow sense that we should’ve been a lottery team because we are way worse than we looked in the regular season.

In the end, I thank them for the good memories, but I realize we are farther from being a contending team than their good stretch made me think, and yes, a good stretch. We were a .500 team for half a season, but thanks to a solid ending our record looked as good as it did. We need big work. Half of this roster should be gone. Some key pieces need to be evaluated to see their true value. We aren’t as close as we thought, and have a hard work ahead to define who should we keep and who should go.

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6/3/2021  7:03 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:To lose like this at home

We lost like girlie men tonight. Chickens

Tgis takes away from the season

I have seen no toughness since game 2

Hii is w many f rebounds and 50-50 balls did we give away tonigh

And we simply gave up here watching now


From the coach to the last player. Good regular season that has been spiked by tgis absolute sht show of embarrassment

No good takeaways here

You had me on the title, then you lost me on the “girlie men” crap. WTF man? That’s totally crap right there in so many ways.

I agree. Briggs, I hope you can see what is wrong with your misogynistic statement. It really weakens your point, which I agree with- that our players just didn’t show up and played like they had already lost.

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6/3/2021  7:10 AM
Knicksfan wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:To lose like this at home

We lost like girlie men tonight. Chickens

Tgis takes away from the season

I have seen no toughness since game 2

Hii is w many f rebounds and 50-50 balls did we give away tonigh

And we simply gave up here watching now


From the coach to the last player. Good regular season that has been spiked by tgis absolute sht show of embarrassment

No good takeaways here

You had me on the title, then you lost me on the “girlie men” crap. WTF man? That’s totally crap right there in so many ways.

I apologize for that. I was upset but it’s no excuse.

RIP Crushalot😞
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6/3/2021  7:11 AM
xblvdels3 wrote:We need to keep cap space open until we get a primary scorer.

I like these guys. They played well this year but they have to go

1. Noel

2. Burks

3. Bullock

4. Ntlikina

5. Payton

6. Knox


Every one of these players in theory can be replaced by a rookie or low cost journeyman


Yes it will cost us a few regular season victories


We need


1. Elite scoring wing

2. Pg who is a headache to the other team

I agree with this. I might keep Noel and Frank if they can be had cheap.

But the main point is- what kind of foundation are we actually working with?

And the original reason I didn’t want Thibs, how are we developing any rookies? If we keep our three draft picks, why? Thibs won’t play them.

My concern is the front office will repeat the mistakes of the past- they will think we’re one piece away, and we will trade our first rounders, Knox, maybe IQ for a player like Jimmy Butler or Russell Westbrook and we’ll struggle the year as we deal with injuries to those players, Rose or Randle because they can only play so many minutes, end up perhaps with the 8th seed, maybe with the play in- and then wiped in the first round again.

I think we have to think about taking a step back next year. We have to be prepared to try to play and develop some youth.

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6/3/2021  7:12 AM
It was disappointing lose after a very fun season

Hawks certainly have more offensive talent AND they were hitting their shots. We have less offense and were playing subpar on offense by even our standards

To me, the difference was the hawks D. Hats off to Nate for getting the guys to play and having a good plan. They jammed everyone. They threw multiple looks at randle so he couldn’t develop a rhythm. One play he might have bogdonovih with quicker hands and feet, the next hunter

Hate trae. Was very impressed w hunter, capella (great fit for that team), bogonovivh

Rose was great a couple games. RJ settled in, bulloc and burks had their moments.

That first loss was super critical. Really affected things.

Hoping for continued growth! Thanks team

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6/3/2021  7:26 AM
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:To lose like this at home

We lost like girlie men tonight. Chickens

Tgis takes away from the season

I have seen no toughness since game 2

Hii is w many f rebounds and 50-50 balls did we give away tonigh

And we simply gave up here watching now


From the coach to the last player. Good regular season that has been spiked by tgis absolute sht show of embarrassment

No good takeaways here

You just swing between one extreme to the opposite with literally nothing in between

If I’m going down. I’m gonna go down swinging. The Knicks went down like they did not care.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons players don't want to come here and why so many struggle when they do- loud fans who turn on players in an instant-would you honestly want to play for such highly conditional fans?

If players play well they get praise beyond belief. If they suck they get told they suck. Its the NY way. We going to be real with you. I would not want it any other way. If you can't handle being told the truth this is not the place for you.

It's not real though, is it? Just lashing out isn't 'just being honest', being honest and real means being real with yourself. Bottom line, these angry fans are hurt because the team didn't do as well as they hoped and believed they would - they need to own their own stuff rather than hurling their rage at players because they can't handle feeling hurt and disappointed.

This hyper-criticism is toxic, it even drove Ewing away, it's nothing to be proud about and it doesn't help the team because it puts players off coming here. Angry fans venting just isn't worth the price anymore. They just need to dial it down a bit, it's not asking too much.

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6/3/2021  7:30 AM
BRIGGS wrote:They didn’t play hard tonight. The coaches decision to start Rose 3 games and n a row was asinine

totally

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6/3/2021  8:04 AM
franco12 wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:We need to keep cap space open until we get a primary scorer.

I like these guys. They played well this year but they have to go

1. Noel

2. Burks

3. Bullock

4. Ntlikina

5. Payton

6. Knox


Every one of these players in theory can be replaced by a rookie or low cost journeyman


Yes it will cost us a few regular season victories


We need


1. Elite scoring wing

2. Pg who is a headache to the other team

I agree with this. I might keep Noel and Frank if they can be had cheap.

But the main point is- what kind of foundation are we actually working with?

And the original reason I didn’t want Thibs, how are we developing any rookies? If we keep our three draft picks, why? Thibs won’t play them.

My concern is the front office will repeat the mistakes of the past- they will think we’re one piece away, and we will trade our first rounders, Knox, maybe IQ for a player like Jimmy Butler or Russell Westbrook and we’ll struggle the year as we deal with injuries to those players, Rose or Randle because they can only play so many minutes, end up perhaps with the 8th seed, maybe with the play in- and then wiped in the first round again.

I think we have to think about taking a step back next year. We have to be prepared to try to play and develop some youth.

I agree with some of this. In the NBA the playoffs are a teacher, and what we've learned from this series is that the difference between the Knicks and every other team in the bracket is that the other teams at least have one player that they can build around and the Knicks don't.

Where I disagree is that I think some guys have developed. We saw improvement at a Barrett, we've seen topping play better as the season has gone on, we saw it grows from Mitchell Robinson before his injury and we've seen quickly play well as a rookie. I think the coach we have is the step in the right direction because it creates an identity for the Knicks, but I think that there isn't really a retool opportunity with this particular group. The free agent class isn't very good and as I've said, there's no foundational player and this off season is not a free agent market year unless something crazy happens.

The team does have a lot of draft picks, and the real opportunity with this thing is to take the good coaching and put some younger players in there.

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6/3/2021  8:12 AM
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:To lose like this at home

We lost like girlie men tonight. Chickens

Tgis takes away from the season

I have seen no toughness since game 2

Hii is w many f rebounds and 50-50 balls did we give away tonigh

And we simply gave up here watching now


From the coach to the last player. Good regular season that has been spiked by tgis absolute sht show of embarrassment

No good takeaways here

You just swing between one extreme to the opposite with literally nothing in between

If I’m going down. I’m gonna go down swinging. The Knicks went down like they did not care.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons players don't want to come here and why so many struggle when they do- loud fans who turn on players in an instant-would you honestly want to play for such highly conditional fans?

If players play well they get praise beyond belief. If they suck they get told they suck. Its the NY way. We going to be real with you. I would not want it any other way. If you can't handle being told the truth this is not the place for you.

It's not real though, is it? Just lashing out isn't 'just being honest', being honest and real means being real with yourself. Bottom line, these angry fans are hurt because the team didn't do as well as they hoped and believed they would - they need to own their own stuff rather than hurling their rage at players because they can't handle feeling hurt and disappointed.

This hyper-criticism is toxic, it even drove Ewing away, it's nothing to be proud about and it doesn't help the team because it puts players off coming here. Angry fans venting just isn't worth the price anymore. They just need to dial it down a bit, it's not asking too much.

Smack— would you agree that the Knicks last night could’ve played harder? How many lose balls or rebounds did we flub? This was our turf and season on the line— so you think the Knicks play was acceptable? I stick strongly with last night performance was an embarrassment and I bet the players in retrospect are on board with that. Even thibs gets some juice here for not being flexible and staying with what did not work at all

RIP Crushalot😞
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6/3/2021  8:17 AM
Thibs sucked this series.

No game plan, no adjustments.

I do think Mitch would have made a big difference. He would have made it harder on young and we needed his easy dunks around the basket. Capela was able to run free. Pump fake anyone?

Agree on Rose, it hurt our bench, it hurt IQ, it made no sense. He’s a one on one player. You don’t put three isolation guys on the court at once.

Trading Austin Rivers looks like a mistake, when you keep Frank and Payton and can’t play either of them and Rivers is starting getting big buckets out west.

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6/3/2021  8:22 AM
Panos wrote:
xblvdels3 wrote:We need to keep cap space open until we get a primary scorer.

I like these guys. They played well this year but they have to go

1. Noel

2. Burks

3. Bullock

4. Ntlikina

5. Payton

6. Knox


Every one of these players in theory can be replaced by a rookie or low cost journeyman


Yes it will cost us a few regular season victories


We need


1. Elite scoring wing

2. Pg who is a headache to the other team


Why does Noel need to go?

Noel is UFA and going to want to get paid after a good season


I’d rather spend the money to lock up Mitch long term.

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6/3/2021  8:22 AM
With regards to the overall team I am not embarrassed with how they looked in the playoffs. We punched above out weight class. We overachieved big time and sooner or later we was going to hit our ceiling. If we continued to play the way we ended the season that would have been in the second round.

However, I will take information gained about specific players that we gained from this playoff series. For example Obi had a pretty bad regular season but slowly improved and came up huge for us when it mattered most in the playoffs. We need to get him a good playmaking point guard to give him a chance to show what he can do. Please no more running the whole offense through Randle. IQ was up and down during the playoff but he is young and will continue to improve. He showed that he was not scared and that will be a good quality to have down the road.

My thoughts on Randle are probably known here by now. I want Rose back with his main role being bench scorer. The other role players are what they are. There is a reason why they took our very team friendly deals. They will have flashes but they will be inconsistent. So I can't get angry at any of them. Noel is not perfect but he held us down with an injury plagued season from Mitch.

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6/3/2021  8:23 AM
ramtour420 wrote:
Sambakick wrote:I'm excited for the hard work guys like RJ and Randle will put in over the off-season. They made huge strides last summer. They won't have as much time this offseason but with their work ethic we shouldn't be surprised to see even more internal improvement.

This is why I like this team much much more than 2012-2013 one. That was a win now team. This team is for the long term development, except we seem to have fast forwarded that because of Randle's and RJ's WORK ETHICS. Exactly what's needed

We have similar issues to the 2013 that missed the playoffs the following year except Carmelo is better than Randle

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6/3/2021  10:43 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Noel is UFA and going to want to get paid after a good season

I’d rather spend the money to lock up Mitch long term.

I'm not so sure. Noel arguably had a better season last year than this year and there wasn't a huge market for his services. Noel always want to get paid but can never seem to find anyone to give him a bag.
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6/3/2021  12:27 PM
Knicksfan wrote:In terms of this season, I’m conflicted.

On one hand, I will join all of your high praises on the regular season. It’s been the best time I’ve had since Linsanity and the last playoff run. Probably more, so much so that it pushed me to make a trip to NY and be part of this special season by going to my first NBA and Knicks game in NY. It was special and represented the hardworking and overachieving nature of the city and the fans.

Now, I’ll be honest and say that I feel very sad about the ending, and not because we lost. I’m sad that the Knicks never looked like the hardworking, good adjusting, overachieving team that always found a way. We looked so overmatched, it just left me this hallow sense that we should’ve been a lottery team because we are way worse than we looked in the regular season.

In the end, I thank them for the good memories, but I realize we are farther from being a contending team than their good stretch made me think, and yes, a good stretch. We were a .500 team for half a season, but thanks to a solid ending our record looked as good as it did. We need big work. Half of this roster should be gone. Some key pieces need to be evaluated to see their true value. We aren’t as close as we thought, and have a hard work ahead to define who should we keep and who should go.

I would agree with all of your sentiments. Knicks did get exposed as a team and for individual players. But I also feel that when you don't have your starting C (and his hobbled mini mirror backup who ANCHORED the D for months) and your starting PG also disappeared for whatever reason, life is not as bad as we just saw.

Atlanta got healthy and hot at the right time, let's not under estimate what they are doing over there. Getting Gallo, Bogi, Hunter back at the right time with a coach who actually knows what he is doing was key for them. That team probably UNDERperformed until the end.

I thought that the Knicks were one of the easier teams to scout and scheme against - just play a semi zone and double Randle. Blitz ball handlers like Randle/RJ/IQ and make them give up ball, they are not good at that. Good teams did it during the season and instantly killed the Knicks. Think Spurs and Miami. I always wondered why more teams didn't employ this strategy but perhaps lack of practice with zones and where to double front was just outside their norms.

Knicks could not expose Trae as a defender - Atlanta could hide Trae on Bullock all day long - and the Knicks were not geared toward stopping Trae/Capella without Mitch/Noel AND the PG doing their thing with help that needed to be exact. Inserting Rose into starting lineup negated the Knicks defense.

Randle/RJ didn't do their thing on offense. Missed a lot of shots they hit during the season. Playoff pressure. Atlanta D. Zero PG help.

I didn't like the Rose move the starting position but Elf REALLY failed everyone. Felt like he had MSG crowd energy for a hot minute and that was it. Bring Rose in to help with the offensive struggles of RJ/Randle and your defense gets exposed. Maybe start Frank but realistically that's throwing stuff against a wall to see if it sticks.

For me, the radical move would have been to start Elf and Burks and see if Atlanta guarded Elf with Trae and then post Elf up. But that would be a severe departure from Knicks O and completely letting Atlanta dictate the series matchups.

Knicks proved to me that they could play defense for months at a time and that it was a priority. They just didn't have the juice for the playoffs.

I'm glass half full with cap space, picks, and FO that seems competent.

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6/3/2021  12:58 PM
Welpee wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Noel is UFA and going to want to get paid after a good season

I’d rather spend the money to lock up Mitch long term.

I'm not so sure. Noel arguably had a better season last year than this year and there wasn't a huge market for his services. Noel always want to get paid but can never seem to find anyone to give him a bag.


That’s funny but true. Poor Noel lol

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6/3/2021  1:02 PM
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Clean wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:To lose like this at home

We lost like girlie men tonight. Chickens

Tgis takes away from the season

I have seen no toughness since game 2

Hii is w many f rebounds and 50-50 balls did we give away tonigh

And we simply gave up here watching now


From the coach to the last player. Good regular season that has been spiked by tgis absolute sht show of embarrassment

No good takeaways here

You just swing between one extreme to the opposite with literally nothing in between

If I’m going down. I’m gonna go down swinging. The Knicks went down like they did not care.

This sort of thing is one of the reasons players don't want to come here and why so many struggle when they do- loud fans who turn on players in an instant-would you honestly want to play for such highly conditional fans?

If players play well they get praise beyond belief. If they suck they get told they suck. Its the NY way. We going to be real with you. I would not want it any other way. If you can't handle being told the truth this is not the place for you.

It's not real though, is it? Just lashing out isn't 'just being honest', being honest and real means being real with yourself. Bottom line, these angry fans are hurt because the team didn't do as well as they hoped and believed they would - they need to own their own stuff rather than hurling their rage at players because they can't handle feeling hurt and disappointed.

This hyper-criticism is toxic, it even drove Ewing away, it's nothing to be proud about and it doesn't help the team because it puts players off coming here. Angry fans venting just isn't worth the price anymore. They just need to dial it down a bit, it's not asking too much.

Smack— would you agree that the Knicks last night could’ve played harder? How many lose balls or rebounds did we flub? This was our turf and season on the line— so you think the Knicks play was acceptable? I stick strongly with last night performance was an embarrassment and I bet the players in retrospect are on board with that. Even thibs gets some juice here for not being flexible and staying with what did not work at all

I think when you lose your confidence, know you're outmatched and start playing timid and overthinking and get in your own head, it looks like a lack of effort- this isn't a lazy team, they proved it all season. It's hard to go 110% when you don't feel sure in yourself

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6/3/2021  1:54 PM
BRIGGS wrote:No good takeaways here

Everything is going to be OK, Briggs. It's all going to be alright. When you love something, sometimes it's supposed to hurt.

Embarrassing disgusting

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