martin wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Another trade id look at is trading Toppin,Knox and dallas first for sexton. If cavs will move on from love and make garland the main PG moving forward this can make sense for them.

Why does a score first, not really good passing PG make sense for the Knicks? We don't have enough high usage players on the team?

but, but........Keep rose so his MVP-Ness rubs off on him and he learns..........
Or, Johnny Byrant sees the future in him...........
Or Thibs will stare him down.............

I’m not trading Obi so fast. I’m not so sure we have seen his ceiling. Draft was two weeks before camp and this kid was hamstrung but that and early injury. He did not get going until the playoffs. Yes, small sample but ROSE TO THE MOMENT and that showed me something. If it raised his trade value, OK. An offer we can’t refuse? Sure, but his shot is not awful, loved the fakes he started doing then went to the rim or pulled up.
Obi passing at the top the key no longer!
I’m open to a lot of scenarios including trading Randle. Have to be a good deal in return!

Sexton-Barrett-Obi =? >? Or <?
Than.....
Payton-Barrett-Randle?

Cuz one of those Combo’s put us 10 games up1

What about abusing Clev to take Loves contract? Randle for Love and Sexton. But add one more important asset either a player or a high pick. Not their lottery this year. I get that. He has two years left on his deal and is a big problem for them! He is three years removed as an allstar and just a 12 and 6 kind of guy. Maybe he is better than that but he is a problem. Is that because he is not engaged giveen his massive contract, loss of status on the team? Bit mental health given covid isolation not helping? Shitty team with bad coaches? They need to move on. Sexton needs to move on. Randle is loved here and fills a great need for them. So abusing them for Love, sexton and either the OKC pick protected in 22 up to 15th or their first. Higher of the two. Understandable they want top 5 protections on their own.

Sexton is a 24pt scorer at age 22. Can he get better? They get allstar randle in return with Jarret Allen in the middle. They can draft Suggs or Cade.

Knicks have to really think Obi steps up. Brock Aller should have a handle on Love. Guy either thrives under Thibs or you forget the whole thing if you don’t that. Platoon Love and Obi until one emerges. Obi third season and loves swan song should be good timing. You don’t need Love to be an allstar again. You need 50 games and a healthy finish, he is engaged, and wants to finish his career on a good note.
One more time, you do this with a strong Kenny Payne backs this move that Obi emerges nicely. I don’t have this expertise to state the unobvious. I say that because it has yet to appear.

xblvdels3 wrote:

martin wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Another trade id look at is trading Toppin,Knox and dallas first for sexton. If cavs will move on from love and make garland the main PG moving forward this can make sense for them.

Why does a score first, not really good passing PG make sense for the Knicks? We don't have enough high usage players on the team?

We need players who can score period. But I get your point.

We also need players who can defend and pass cause we know that's where it starts? Does Sexton defend?

I really don't watch him play but we need to find players who fit

wargames wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:Pick up Randle’s team option and see if he looks like he can be a second option. Be open to trading him if anything decent comes up.

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

Realistically though you won't have a guy like Murphy as a starter. For that they will just bring back Bullock to start. But Murphy is a solid option in the draft to have on the roster.

You might be right about Murphy. However, if Bullock wants the non taxpayer MLE $9.3 Million a year the Knicks let him walk. That’s the price where his limitations make him a bad contract. If anything they could take a 1 year flyer on Otto Porter or try to trade for someone who would be cheap and expiring.

Porter would be an excellent option on a bloated 1 year contract, coming off of all of his injuries.

Porter isn’t good. I’d rather keep Bullock tbh

We need size at the wings. One of the advantages the Hawks (and other) teams had on the Knicks is they have bigger wings and more of them. Porter isn’t even bad, he’s just not healthy. Paying Bullock a non taxpayer MLE is too much for his production + we would be doubling down on a small wing rotation. Like I said draft Trey Murphy and just get a vet to be in the position a year.

Murphy is A 6’9 D&3 with 7’1 wingspan. If he carries that over to the Knicks physically he is a upgrade over Bullock. For example Trey was able to hide out defensively on Bullock. No way at his height could they hide him out on Trey Murphy. He would just shoot over him.

Not sure why we are associating Bullocks and the MLE. Don't you have to be over the cap to use it? Doubt the Knicks get there first.

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:Pick up Randle’s team option and see if he looks like he can be a second option. Be open to trading him if anything decent comes up.

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

Realistically though you won't have a guy like Murphy as a starter. For that they will just bring back Bullock to start. But Murphy is a solid option in the draft to have on the roster.

You might be right about Murphy. However, if Bullock wants the non taxpayer MLE $9.3 Million a year the Knicks let him walk. That’s the price where his limitations make him a bad contract. If anything they could take a 1 year flyer on Otto Porter or try to trade for someone who would be cheap and expiring.

Porter would be an excellent option on a bloated 1 year contract, coming off of all of his injuries.

Porter isn’t good. I’d rather keep Bullock tbh

We need size at the wings. One of the advantages the Hawks (and other) teams had on the Knicks is they have bigger wings and more of them. Porter isn’t even bad, he’s just not healthy. Paying Bullock a non taxpayer MLE is too much for his production + we would be doubling down on a small wing rotation. Like I said draft Trey Murphy and just get a vet to be in the position a year.

Murphy is A 6’9 D&3 with 7’1 wingspan. If he carries that over to the Knicks physically he is a upgrade over Bullock. For example Trey was able to hide out defensively on Bullock. No way at his height could they hide him out on Trey Murphy. He would just shoot over him.

Not sure why we are associating Bullocks and the MLE. Don't you have to be over the cap to use it? Doubt the Knicks get there first.

If the Knicks spend big this summer, they will go over the cap to resign Bullock. If they don't, he will probably be resigned into cap space. The MLE gets brought up because it's assumed he will get that offer from another team. So we will likely match or beat that. 2 years at 10 mil a year i'm guessing.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

wargames wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:Pick up Randle’s team option and see if he looks like he can be a second option. Be open to trading him if anything decent comes up.

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

Realistically though you won't have a guy like Murphy as a starter. For that they will just bring back Bullock to start. But Murphy is a solid option in the draft to have on the roster.

You might be right about Murphy. However, if Bullock wants the non taxpayer MLE $9.3 Million a year the Knicks let him walk. That’s the price where his limitations make him a bad contract. If anything they could take a 1 year flyer on Otto Porter or try to trade for someone who would be cheap and expiring.

Porter would be an excellent option on a bloated 1 year contract, coming off of all of his injuries.

Porter isn’t good. I’d rather keep Bullock tbh

We need size at the wings. One of the advantages the Hawks (and other) teams had on the Knicks is they have bigger wings and more of them. Porter isn’t even bad, he’s just not healthy. Paying Bullock a non taxpayer MLE is too much for his production + we would be doubling down on a small wing rotation. Like I said draft Trey Murphy and just get a vet to be in the position a year.

Murphy is A 6’9 D&3 with 7’1 wingspan. If he carries that over to the Knicks physically he is a upgrade over Bullock. For example Trey was able to hide out defensively on Bullock. No way at his height could they hide him out on Trey Murphy. He would just shoot over him.

Not sure why we are associating Bullocks and the MLE. Don't you have to be over the cap to use it? Doubt the Knicks get there first.

If the Knicks spend big this summer, they will go over the cap to resign Bullock. If they don't, he will probably be resigned into cap space. The MLE gets brought up because it's assumed he will get that offer from another team. So we will likely match or beat that. 2 years at 10 mil a year i'm guessing.

OK. I just don't see any team spending full MLE on a wing player who is just either a spot up or movement gunner for your bench. He is not a starter, has zero handle, and average D at best IMHO

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

martin wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Another trade id look at is trading Toppin,Knox and dallas first for sexton. If cavs will move on from love and make garland the main PG moving forward this can make sense for them.

Why does a score first, not really good passing PG make sense for the Knicks? We don't have enough high usage players on the team?

We need players who can score period. But I get your point.

We also need players who can defend and pass cause we know that's where it starts? Does Sexton defend?

I really don't watch him play but we need to find players who fit

He was an aggressive on-ball defender in college and earlier in his career. Not so sure now, but he has it in him. Passing is another issue, but this pass the season might have had more to do with him playing on trash offense.

And let's be fair and say even though he was high usage, he was very much part of that trash offense? I get that they were a mess though but they have been a mess every year he was there too.

For me, you are trading for a player who really hasn't shown passing, may or may not be a defender, and then in a year will have to make decisions on whether to extend him. For me, a no-go unless you give up nothing which I don't think is happening.

I agree on the pros and cons. The front office will need to do it's research. I'm open to the idea. The front office should hear the Cavs out.

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Whoa.

The important part: "Paul has a $44.4 million player option, which according to several sources, he intends to decline with hopes of inking a new multiyear deal (perhaps in the $100 million range over three seasons). It’s unclear if his recent shoulder injury changes his plans."

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

martin wrote:

unstopaball12 wrote:Another trade id look at is trading Toppin,Knox and dallas first for sexton. If cavs will move on from love and make garland the main PG moving forward this can make sense for them.

Why does a score first, not really good passing PG make sense for the Knicks? We don't have enough high usage players on the team?

We need players who can score period. But I get your point.

We also need players who can defend and pass cause we know that's where it starts? Does Sexton defend?

I really don't watch him play but we need to find players who fit

He was an aggressive on-ball defender in college and earlier in his career. Not so sure now, but he has it in him. Passing is another issue, but this pass the season might have had more to do with him playing on trash offense.

Sextons game seems to have changed / evolved dramatically from his college career. He was a pesky type defender and put up 3.6 assists. Now I kinda see him as a two in a one body? Not the playmaking dynamo that I crave, but he can score the ball...

They need to take two wings with their picks and hope to god one of them can be 3D guy.

For reasons in some ways out of his control, thanks to the mere existence of the Brooklyn Nets, Boston’s Evan Fournier experienced a nightmare during the 2021 playoffs.

Offensively, like most players against the Nets, he was at least competitive. The way Brooklyn plays, you can score, but they will score more than you. That is exactly what they did and, unfortunately for Fournier, he took the brunt of it.

Fournier allowed 1.37 points per possession on defense, per Synergy, which ranked as the worst among all players who have defended at least 35 possessions in the postseason. He ended up being the guy who took on James Harden and Kyrie Irving in isolation and that ended with him on the wrong side of too many highlights.

Harden vs Fournierpic.twitter.com/LYw2ahNp3j

— L'Analyste (@LanalysteFR) June 2, 2021

He ended up fouling on 4.7 percent of team plays, per Cleaning the Glass, the second-highest rate among all wings that played in the postseason.

The Celtics seemed committed to re-signing Fournier after trading for him before the deadline but they now have a revamped front office with Brad Stevens at the helm.

While our own Michael Scotto recently reported that Fournier is seeking approximately $15 to $20 million per season, other league executives told Scotto that it is hard to imagine him even collecting north of $10 million.

Ultimately, the last thing you want before your free agency is to be scored on as often as Fournier was in the playoffs.

wargames wrote:

TPercy wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

wargames wrote:Pick up Randle’s team option and see if he looks like he can be a second option. Be open to trading him if anything decent comes up.

Sign Rose to a one year big deal to take up cap space, sign Taj to a decent deal on one year too. Make Rose a starter

let Burks, and Bullock walk

S&T Noel and the Mavs 2023 (top 10 protected) draft pick for Marcus Smart.

draft Jaden Springer, and Trey Murphy. Guys who could play should be the goal. Grab Bassey with the second

Dumpster Dive. Use some future seconds and grab Josh Jackson from Detroit because he showed a little spark this season and still has upside. See if Malik Monk is available for the Hornets who might sign and trade him for some second. Grab Dieng on a one year contract

Move RJ to SG, and play him more alongside the bench. On the low if you can groom him as a sixth man who plays with the starting lineup..... the sky’s the limit.

lesson Randle’s minutes and increase Obi’s more

Hire a CAA client/assistant coach to come in and redo the offense with Thibs

Save at least 35 Mil in cap space for Zach or Beal in 2022 above all else.

Knicks 2021
Rose / Smart / Springer / Luca
RJ / Quickley / Monk
Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey

2022

Smart / Springer / Rose
Lavine / Quickley / Monk
RJ / Murphy / Jackson
Randle / Obi / Taj
Mitch / Dieng / Bassey /

Knicks have depth and can play the “hot hand”

Funny side note if you read the 2022 names going left to right the PG’s last name sounds like a album tittle and all the other row sound like the names of Jazz players in a quartet.

Realistically though you won't have a guy like Murphy as a starter. For that they will just bring back Bullock to start. But Murphy is a solid option in the draft to have on the roster.

You might be right about Murphy. However, if Bullock wants the non taxpayer MLE $9.3 Million a year the Knicks let him walk. That’s the price where his limitations make him a bad contract. If anything they could take a 1 year flyer on Otto Porter or try to trade for someone who would be cheap and expiring.

Porter would be an excellent option on a bloated 1 year contract, coming off of all of his injuries.

Porter isn’t good. I’d rather keep Bullock tbh

We need size at the wings. One of the advantages the Hawks (and other) teams had on the Knicks is they have bigger wings and more of them. Porter isn’t even bad, he’s just not healthy. Paying Bullock a non taxpayer MLE is too much for his production + we would be doubling down on a small wing rotation. Like I said draft Trey Murphy and just get a vet to be in the position a year.

Murphy is A 6’9 D&3 with 7’1 wingspan. If he carries that over to the Knicks physically he is a upgrade over Bullock. For example Trey was able to hide out defensively on Bullock. No way at his height could they hide him out on Trey Murphy. He would just shoot over him.

Yep we don't have a true SF on the roster. I hate the idea of Barrett as the full time SF going forward. Keep the size advantage at SG