BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:Reality Bites hard.

It's gonna bite even harder when GSW gets Cade Cunningham with the first pick This FA is underwhelming and I don't see many other realistic avenues to improve.

I'm sure he's going to OKC or Houston.

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

y2zipper wrote:

TPercy wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:This is a disruptive eye opening loss. My personal thoughts about this team is changing. Our management has a lot to think over. I’m not sure about resigning so many older players.

I hear you on this. I still think continuity is super important but I think even if we make it out of this series we are getting a reality check on how good some of our guys are.

Knicks should trade Julius and blow this up at this point.

Why?

1. His trade value right now is at its highest it will ever be

2. Obi would start at PF, develop and play very well

3. It would help us avoid returning to cap hell aa he’s a free agent after next year

Obi is too small to be a star PF. He's like 6'8" which is SF size. Gallo dwarfed Obi

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:They have much more pure talent. They have high draft picks in their young prime— a team that will also improve in years to come. They’re also very tall and have a great young pg. only reason they weren’t higher was poor coaching to start year. The hawks are simply better. We can win with determination but we’re not better

Fuck the Atlanta Hawks.

This series is not over. I still believe in this team.

I listened to this before I had major surgery. Helped calm my mind. Helps to try to see the beauty in things even when they don't meet your expectations.

This team got to the playoffs for many reasons. Those reasons didn't disappear overnight. Will there need to be hard work this offseason? Sure. Could the Knicks have done X or Y better before this point? Sure.

But right here, right now - Fuck the Atlanta Hawks.

You don't stop fighting when you are getting pounded on and it looks bleak, you come out and keep hitting back until you hear the bell ring.

Nah.
Certainly I’m not in the group saying trade this guy that guy but this series has open my eyes.
We need to get younger and more athletic. We need quality size. I’m down with Julius and Rj as the core. I’m down with keeping Rose as a back up and one of bullock or burcks. But it’s clear that not only do we need another quality piece— we need some more athletic size at pg 3 and 5. We’re going to get back mitch which will also help. We need to hit in free agency and the draft. We’re a good team that is a work in progress. We need somewhat of an overhaul to increase the talent and quality of depth. It’s not about the hawks— they’re above us— it’s about how we improve from here. By the way I’m not giving up on this series — we have two games at home— but I think we need to change things back and start Payton

EwingsGlass wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:They have much more pure talent. They have high draft picks in their young prime— a team that will also improve in years to come. They’re also very tall and have a great young pg. only reason they weren’t higher was poor coaching to start year. The hawks are simply better. We can win with determination but we’re not better

Fuck the Atlanta Hawks.

This series is not over. I still believe in this team.

I listened to this before I had major surgery. Helped calm my mind. Helps to try to see the beauty in things even when they don't meet your expectations.

This team got to the playoffs for many reasons. Those reasons didn't disappear overnight. Will there need to be hard work this offseason? Sure. Could the Knicks have done X or Y better before this point? Sure.

But right here, right now - Fuck the Atlanta Hawks.

You don't stop fighting when you are getting pounded on and it looks bleak, you come out and keep hitting back until you hear the bell ring.

Co-signed.

me too. Thanks Triple

bunch of crying chicken littles on this board

we got punched in the nose. now everyone wants to go home to their mommy

this is when we should be getting off the mat, and punching back. Every champ has been knocked to the mat

it's a tall order but is it any taller than what we've done this year -- 10 over .500!! beat much better teams along the way too. right now we're not stopping Trae's penetration (task 1) and his outside shooters are hitting

Role players are important and Atl poses all sorts of mismatches all over the place because of their length.

Knicksfan wrote:The Knicks have the capability of making this a series, but nothing is right with them and no one seems to really be trying to make an effort to adjust.

This series is over because the Knicks never showed up.

You sound like a greeting card company where the target market is ex wives looking for more alimony.

Trae Young is good at hitting bad shots. His shot selection is actually pretty horrible most of the time. He has plus range behind the arc and he has a huge first step to get to the rim. He has a lighting fast release and he can hit even against multiple defenders swarming him. When a player like this runs hot, it's hard to contain this kind of player.

You really can't outrun this kind of player and heavy contact just won't fly in the modern NBA. You have to neutralize him with pace. The best way to beat prime Peyton Manning was to never let him get on the field. The Knicks don't really move very well off the ball and haven't been strong at that all season long. Mid range shooting takes a different element in the playoffs. I don't think most fans really understand what Shaun Livingston did for the GSW in their four year run.

The methodology isn't rocket science

1) Defensive oriented teams need to drag down the pace
2) They need to execute at the free throw line at an elite rate
3) They need to have elite ball security
4) They have to convert at a high rate with five seconds or less on the shot clock
5) They need to quadruple their efforts moving off the ball if they can't generate natural floor spacing

You can't really adjust if you don't have the roster balance to do so.

Still a lot of basketball to play. But this isn't about effort. You just need to work the checklist and be disciplined about it.

I have faith in this team. Enjoy your greeting cards on your own.

BRIGGS wrote:They have much more pure talent. They have high draft picks in their young prime— a team that will also improve in years to come. They’re also very tall and have a great young pg. only reason they weren’t higher was poor coaching to start year. The hawks are simply better. We can win with determination but we’re not better

I said before the series started they were a better team and were going to be trouble- long, versatile, 3pt shooting everywhere, defensive rebounding monster at C, unguardable PG, Bogdanovic- they are going to be trouble for a long time.

I just want our players to experience having some good games in the playoffs, so they don't dread the playoffs in future and can have some confidence going into next season. W're a hard working and likeable team, but we need talent upgrades especially in the backcourt.

smackeddog wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:They have much more pure talent. They have high draft picks in their young prime— a team that will also improve in years to come. They’re also very tall and have a great young pg. only reason they weren’t higher was poor coaching to start year. The hawks are simply better. We can win with determination but we’re not better

I said before the series started they were a better team and were going to be trouble- long, versatile, 3pt shooting everywhere, defensive rebounding monster at C, unguardable PG, Bogdanovic- they are going to be trouble for a long time.

I just want our players to experience having some good games in the playoffs, so they don't dread the playoffs in future and can have some confidence going into next season. W're a hard working and likeable team, but we need talent upgrades especially in the backcourt.

Well said. Trae Young is probably the reason Bogdanovic chose Atlanta. Same for Gallo I guess. They will definitely be a problem in this conference for a while.

This series is over and Randle couldn’t step it up in the playoffs. Same goes for Bullock. What happened to that Randle to Bullock for 3 attack we had?

I stand by the fact that regardless of what you think of Frank he is a certified strong defender that can switch 1 - 4. He should have been groomed as the starting defensive guard with RJ and Randle doing most of the ball handling. Which is what they were doing with Payton on the court anyway. He would have developed further and would be more ready for contributing in this playoffs. We needed more defense at the PG and Wing for this series especially with Mitch and Noel out.

I’ll start to look at our draft and trade options now.

houston20 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Clean wrote:I am down for trading Randle also. I never liked ISO Melo and I like ISO Randle even less. I hated his low percentage shots but he made them all season so who was I to complain. Now when teams play hard we see just how low of a percentage those shots really are. Building a team around Randle will just lead to good regular seasons and early playoff exits.

Who are you going to get instead of randle the answer is nobody.

Obi would simply start at PF next yr

There not going to play young guys with thibs or rebuilding again that period is over.

xblvdels3 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The losses certainly hurt. That said, the difference between us listing and winning could be as simple as adding one or two players. I’m still pretty excited for this team. More exciting is what this coaching staff was able to accomplish in one year. Don’t knock Randle cause teams swarm Randle. This is why guys like Lebron want super friends on their team - so it’s hurts more to swarm him.

Don’t blow it up. Build more.

Trading Randle isn’t “blowing it up” it’s a smart personnel move we would be selling high and the roster is still largely in tact

Thibs not signing up for that

Ok then get ready for maybe the 10th seed next season if we bring back the same exact roster

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:The losses certainly hurt. That said, the difference between us listing and winning could be as simple as adding one or two players. I’m still pretty excited for this team. More exciting is what this coaching staff was able to accomplish in one year. Don’t knock Randle cause teams swarm Randle. This is why guys like Lebron want super friends on their team - so it’s hurts more to swarm him.

Don’t blow it up. Build more.

Trading Randle isn’t “blowing it up” it’s a smart personnel move we would be selling high and the roster is still largely in tact

Disagree entirely. The guy is the heart and soul of this team. It’s his work ethic that sets the tone for the team. It’s his leadership that the other players are following. The “trade Randle” concept is an emotional response to losing a series.

We are only in this series cause Randle carried the team here on his back. The fact that they could double him without punishment isn’t a reason to trade him. It’s a reason to add players to support him.

I don’t think you add back adequate value by “selling high”. When you take away the heart of the team, you are restarting. Rebuilding. We are actually pretty close to where the Hawks were last season before they added Bogs, Gallo and Lou Williams. Maybe better.

I’m looking for a PG and SF that can really move this team up a notch. This is a young team that will get better with age. There aren’t a lot of PFs that I would replace Randle with. His $20mm isn’t burying us. Build around him. Add talent. This team is going to be dangerous.

I agree. This series, so far, is showing us how we have to improve the team, not that we should blow it up.

Randle the engine is not a broken concept, but when the opposing team schemes to shut it down, this team has not produced a Plan B. That is what we have to fix in the offseason.

the reason why all the other guys are not shooting well is in part because they are not getting into the same rhythm they were in the regular season. Randle is a bit off and it spreads to them. They are still good shooters. Wish they could put it on the floor a bit more, especially Bullock.

For 2022:
We need players who don't subtract on defense and who can also take the playmaking load off of randle. We do not need more stand alone shooters, guys have to be able to dribble, penetrate and at least be somewhat of a threat from 3.

In free agency, Lonzo ball is probably going to get overpaid to fill that role for us or another team. Can he do it? That's the 90m dollar bet. He definitely won't be missing obi and mitch on the lobs and will get us out and running for some easier baskets. Other potentials...dennis Schroeder. Don't see them even looking in lowry's direction for good reason. Does chris paul want to run 1 year in NY?

In the draft; equally interesting because they have the draft capital to get up and target a player in the 10 to 18 range. Perhaps they see Davion mitchell as that guy or they think there are enough alternatives that might be there in our spot that can eventually fix their flaws and rise up to fill that role...a ala Sharif cooper, jared butler. I don't see them taking younger replacements for our aging free agents to be. If they only do that we probably won't even be the 4th seed next season.

This is anything but a lost season and at this point, not even a lost series. We have to use the experience productively, to make the right evaluations so we can execute a wise offseason plan. To end, we did just that last year and in the mid-season trade for Derrick Rose. I have faith that this FO will not panic, nor will the players. Us fans? Well, let's try to hold it together people. This has been the best seasons in decades.