xavier wrote:I have to admit that it is not clear to me the logic of people who on the one hand complain why Randle was not closer to winning the MVP award and then on the other hand they think that after that same season he does not deserve more than $ 23-24 M per season. Of the players usually in the MVP round, Curry has 43 M, Paul, Westbrook and Harden 41 M each, LeBron and Durant 39 M each, George, Kawhi and Butler 35 M each. 30+ M have Siakam, Love, Middleton, Harris , Kemba ...

Not to be misunderstood, I don't want to give Randle too much of a contract either, I'm just saying that some logic doesn't hold water. If we gave him $ 25 M per season, he would be the 43rd player in terms of salary. Right between Jrue and Hield. If that’s realistic and rational, then he’s not even close to the top players in the league as we’ve often liked to write here this season. I'm afraid Julius will want more, unless he extends his contract for another year this summer.

Are any of these above players “overpaid”? They absolutely are, but the NBA system is such that if you decide Randle isn’t worth that much, who are you going to replace him with? Even if again we are a desirable destination, this free agency is really bad. And if someone thinks we can trade Randle for a player who will bring us something like him, he is grossly mistaken.

I would stick with the core we have and look for a PG and a wing scorer. We have some players in free agency, and we also have some assets for trade offers.

I said 25m but realistically it will be like 26 27. Ok begrudgingly.

I just want the front office to play hard ball with him a bit and get that number Down some for ending the season leaving us confused lol

xblvdels3 wrote:I started watching in 91... hazy memory there.

The rest we were always 2nd third round eastern conference finals every year.

Your comparing the hawks to teams like the bulls pacers heat and spurs...

Hawks will be crushed by the sixers. If they beat the sixers your statistical point would then be correct. If not it’s an incorrect correlation.

Ewing = warrior

Except the really big game then he chokes lol

When did Patrick Ewing in the 90’s ever have an abysmal series like this? Answer is never.

xblvdels3 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:I started watching in 91... hazy memory there.

The rest we were always 2nd third round eastern conference finals every year.

Your comparing the hawks to teams like the bulls pacers heat and spurs...

Hawks will be crushed by the sixers. If they beat the sixers your statistical point would then be correct. If not it’s an incorrect correlation.

Ewing = warrior

Except the really big game then he chokes lol

Has I mentioned, people make an inaccurate declarative statements and then the follow up is changing the criteria, moving the bar, adding disclaimers, explanations and disqualifiers etc. I go back to the original statement:

When did Patrick Ewing in the 90’s ever have an abysmal series like this? Answer is never.

And for the record, I love Ewing and he had MANY big moments in the playoffs. Just want to be clear I'm not trashing Ewing. Just wanting to clear up a misstatement.

Fair enough

Happy Anniversary you joined one year ago today.

TripleThreat wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:Thoughts ?

When blkexec talks about "blaming the fans", he's talking about flip flopping impulsive reactions like this. I don't agree with him when he says it, I find it toxic in the times that he's said it and I recognize if you looked at ALL of Knicks fandom, it's usually only a few very loud voices who repeat the same flip flopping impulsive reactions. Saying blame the fans is tone deaf and just plain dumb and denies some pretty basic mathematics. Because it besmirches all fans into one big lump and that's not realistic. On the flip side, flip flopping impulsive reactions like this are also dumb because having a winning team that can contend is simply a very long road in the NBA and it's insane to expect the Knicks to turn this around after 20 plus years of self implosion.

If Randle played like the second coming of Oscar Robertson mixed with Joe Namath? Use the team option year and evaluate him further next season. Get more information to make a huge decision that could help/haunt this team for a decade.

If Randle played like the second coming of Anthony Bennett mixed with Vernon Gholston? Use the team option year and evaluate him further next season. Get more information to make a huge decision that could help/haunt this team for a decade.

What's the most likely case? Randle is better than his first season with the Knicks but less than his breakout year this year. Somewhere in the middle. That's what a rational analytics department will assess as a first take and they will likely be right.

Can a player cost himself tens and tens of millions in just a few mere minutes or a handful of games Sometimes. It's actually more rare than people think. The media likes to spark that controversy but most front offices are actually more conservative than most fans would expect or realize.

If Brock Aller believes Julius Randle was prime for regression past this season ( and I'd agree with him to be honest), he'd have come to that conclusion LONG BEFORE the series with the Hawks started.

You don't play 6-7 full season in the NBA and magically turn into something else very dramatic as a player. That's not realistic either.

If Brock Aller says Randle shouldn't get a max offer, he's made that decision long before Trae Young and his bull**** antics showed up.

That's the deal. That's how it works. It's quite boring actually. And since that doesn't sell clickbait on ESPN, they give you something else to try to incite a fanbase.

A man can be emotional and still be strong. However a man who is frantic proves his weakness. "Hot Takes" are not about emotion, it's about being frantic.

This is why I muted you. You think making a long post makes you sound right. You bringing up something from the deep past and it's out of context. Please leave my name out your mouth. Muting u was one of the best things I did on this site. Leave me alone and get a life please.

If he signs this summer a 4yr max is 106 mil.

YES, in that context is is worth the max.

You want Randle to be the second best player on your team.

Paying him 21 mil doesn't stop you from bringing in a better player.

Welpee wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:I started watching in 91... hazy memory there.

The rest we were always 2nd third round eastern conference finals every year.

Your comparing the hawks to teams like the bulls pacers heat and spurs...

Hawks will be crushed by the sixers. If they beat the sixers your statistical point would then be correct. If not it’s an incorrect correlation.

Ewing = warrior

Except the really big game then he chokes lol

Has I mentioned, people make an inaccurate declarative statements and then the follow up is changing the criteria, moving the bar, adding disclaimers, explanations and disqualifiers etc. I go back to the original statement:

When did Patrick Ewing in the 90’s ever have an abysmal series like this? Answer is never.

And for the record, I love Ewing and he had MANY big moments in the playoffs. Just want to be clear I'm not trashing Ewing. Just wanting to clear up a misstatement.

Oh and for the record Randle is shooting 27% from the field in this series. Please cite me all the playoffs series Ewing shot 27% or less

Philc1 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:I started watching in 91... hazy memory there.

The rest we were always 2nd third round eastern conference finals every year.

Your comparing the hawks to teams like the bulls pacers heat and spurs...

Hawks will be crushed by the sixers. If they beat the sixers your statistical point would then be correct. If not it’s an incorrect correlation.

Ewing = warrior

Except the really big game then he chokes lol

Has I mentioned, people make an inaccurate declarative statements and then the follow up is changing the criteria, moving the bar, adding disclaimers, explanations and disqualifiers etc. I go back to the original statement:

When did Patrick Ewing in the 90’s ever have an abysmal series like this? Answer is never.

And for the record, I love Ewing and he had MANY big moments in the playoffs. Just want to be clear I'm not trashing Ewing. Just wanting to clear up a misstatement.

Oh and for the record Randle is shooting 27% from the field in this series. Please cite me all the playoffs series Ewing shot 27% or less

The premise of your comment was Ewing didn't have playoff series as poor as what Randle is currently having and that's incorrect.

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1399768868176945153

I haven't seen every minute of the playoff games but it seems like this may be true for more than just Randle

Nalod wrote:before he was no. 1 in Knicks lore:
Ewing was a National champion, Olympian, a dude who stayed in college to work on his game, was the no 1. Over all pick in 1985. Took 9 years to get a team around him good enough to finals.

Randle, a one and done 7th pick from KU. On his third team. All star and MIP.

Why is Ewing even in this conversation. Randle had one season and a few fans having a hissy fit over ATL actually being a better team than us.
Ewing had a long HOF career. Love 2021 Randle. This has been great. His trajectory at age 27 is not even close. Its clown like to even suggest a parallel.

Will it effect his future contract? Everything does. His ALL star season, MIP and leadership. Is he a Max player after one season? Is entitled to it yet?

Clean wrote:

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1399768868176945153

Max player amirite?