Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:IN a perfect world we draft someone younger and more athletic that can do what Bullock and Burks do for us. Bullock has been incredibly valuable for us, knocking down 3-4 3's per game lately. But ideally we pay him what he's making now. If we pay him more its too much cap for his skillset. Its a tough call- I hope he returns for a similar salary, but you gotta be careful.

Or we can resign Frank on a cheap one year deal and use him exclusively in the wing role. And then we can y’know actually play him

Frank on a cheap one year deal > extending Burks or Bullock on a 40 million deal

Somebody will always come in and beat out frank for minutes, and the roster continuuity will be decided by how for we go this season.
The further you go the less you change

At some point we have to acknowledge that Frank can be extremely useful at times, but is also simply not a reliable rotation player for us. His role and responsibilities have been the same for every coach here. He just is what he is.

I don't think that's the case. But he is just not consistent. And then the injuries.

Nalod wrote:Frank is mystery. He bought some good defensive energy and shot well last night. Perhaps a role of 12 min a night CONSISTENTLY would yield a consistent performance? We know what was. 22 year players are not static, then can improve and get stronger if that was lacking. If you love to hate frank you bank on the past. If you love to see him succeed you realize he would be a 4 year college draftee this year. Most of us frank fans are just happy as pie this team s doing well. What becomes of him? I have no idea. For all I know There might be a market for him as a free agent for team that sees potential. He might just go back to Europe as well. I for one cannot make any proclamations to his future status. The he is a low rotational player in his 4th year and. RFA it takes no rocket scientist to say his time is done here. At the same time Thibs sees the work, sees in practice the progress if any and perhaps a coach of experience with hands on daily knowledge can access and project out what this player might become.

Consistent minutes and a consistent role breeds confidence. Frank is more than useful and @ 22 yrs old (if healthy) can give us a lot of what Bullocks brings to the table at a lower price tag. In the end, I wouldn't be surprised if Frank and his representatives are looking for a fresh start.

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:IN a perfect world we draft someone younger and more athletic that can do what Bullock and Burks do for us. Bullock has been incredibly valuable for us, knocking down 3-4 3's per game lately. But ideally we pay him what he's making now. If we pay him more its too much cap for his skillset. Its a tough call- I hope he returns for a similar salary, but you gotta be careful.

Or we can resign Frank on a cheap one year deal and use him exclusively in the wing role. And then we can y’know actually play him

Frank on a cheap one year deal > extending Burks or Bullock on a 40 million deal

Somebody will always come in and beat out frank for minutes, and the roster continuuity will be decided by how for we go this season.
The further you go the less you change

At some point we have to acknowledge that Frank can be extremely useful at times, but is also simply not a reliable rotation player for us. His role and responsibilities have been the same for every coach here. He just is what he is.

I don't think that's the case. But he is just not consistent. And then the injuries.

With each coach he's essentially become a fringe rotation player who shows enough to get us excited from time to time, but as you say, injuries and lack of consistency on offense prevent him from becoming a full-time reliable rotation player. We simply can't rely on him at this point in time for more than some defensive stops. The shooting looks so good, yet the overall shooting numbers are just abysmal. He is shooting 19% from 2pt range this season. For a player who sees zero attention from defenses and rarely takes contested shots, how can he possibly shoot that poorly?

I agree with this to a point. Thought Frank coming off bench as a PG for 20 minutes a game was OK for his first year. Next 2 years were awful and when you have Elf, Dennis and Frank in a PG rotation it just sucks. Frank is a 3 and D specialist - not a PG - and it took til maybe this year to solidly put that into place? Maybe it was there last year but it was such a butt**** of a season who knows. This year Frank derails himself with the injuries? That's what I disagree with in terms of role and responsibilities; 3&D vs PG.

He has the yips on O. He has stretches where his D is phenomenal and disruptive (both individually and in team scheme) but we have also seen where he is over aggressive and fouls a lot this year.

The FO didn't trade him; maybe there were no offers. It'll be interesting to see if he is offered a contract and how much it'll be.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:IN a perfect world we draft someone younger and more athletic that can do what Bullock and Burks do for us. Bullock has been incredibly valuable for us, knocking down 3-4 3's per game lately. But ideally we pay him what he's making now. If we pay him more its too much cap for his skillset. Its a tough call- I hope he returns for a similar salary, but you gotta be careful.

Or we can resign Frank on a cheap one year deal and use him exclusively in the wing role. And then we can y’know actually play him

Frank on a cheap one year deal > extending Burks or Bullock on a 40 million deal

Somebody will always come in and beat out frank for minutes, and the roster continuuity will be decided by how for we go this season.
The further you go the less you change

At some point we have to acknowledge that Frank can be extremely useful at times, but is also simply not a reliable rotation player for us. His role and responsibilities have been the same for every coach here. He just is what he is.

I don't think that's the case. But he is just not consistent. And then the injuries.

With each coach he's essentially become a fringe rotation player who shows enough to get us excited from time to time, but as you say, injuries and lack of consistency on offense prevent him from becoming a full-time reliable rotation player. We simply can't rely on him at this point in time for more than some defensive stops. The shooting looks so good, yet the overall shooting numbers are just abysmal. He is shooting 19% from 2pt range this season. For a player who sees zero attention from defenses and rarely takes contested shots, how can he possibly shoot that poorly?

I agree with this to a point. Thought Frank coming off bench as a PG for 20 minutes a game was OK for his first year. Next 2 years were awful and when you have Elf, Dennis and Frank in a PG rotation it just sucks. Frank is a 3 and D specialist - not a PG - and it took til maybe this year to solidly put that into place? Maybe it was there last year but it was such a butt**** of a season who knows. This year Frank derails himself with the injuries? That's what I disagree with in terms of role and responsibilities; 3&D vs PG.

He has the yips on O. He has stretches where his D is phenomenal and disruptive (both individually and in team scheme) but we have also seen where he is over aggressive and fouls a lot this year.

The FO didn't trade him; maybe there were no offers. It'll be interesting to see if he is offered a contract and how much it'll be.

Why would you resign him, unless you had a personal relationship with him and you just feel sorry for a player who doesn't put in the work to get better.

I see some fans hoping for a cheap contract (for what) you get what you pay for.

Imagine the Orlando magic investing long term $$ into Payton because he had a few decent games under is rookie contract.

You guys always talk about acquiring struggling players thinking a new scenery will propelled them into greatness, well that's what you should hope for Frank, at least thats what I hope for him, he's run his course in NY, 4 yrs avg 4.5 to 5 points per game...No way.

Some players take 5 to 7 yrs before they figure it out, beal and Randle are perfect examples, they were already good, but now they are real good. Franks not good, so to wait 2 to 3 more season for him to be avg...just not worth it

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

VDesai wrote:IN a perfect world we draft someone younger and more athletic that can do what Bullock and Burks do for us. Bullock has been incredibly valuable for us, knocking down 3-4 3's per game lately. But ideally we pay him what he's making now. If we pay him more its too much cap for his skillset. Its a tough call- I hope he returns for a similar salary, but you gotta be careful.

Or we can resign Frank on a cheap one year deal and use him exclusively in the wing role. And then we can y’know actually play him

Frank on a cheap one year deal > extending Burks or Bullock on a 40 million deal

Somebody will always come in and beat out frank for minutes, and the roster continuuity will be decided by how for we go this season.
The further you go the less you change

At some point we have to acknowledge that Frank can be extremely useful at times, but is also simply not a reliable rotation player for us. His role and responsibilities have been the same for every coach here. He just is what he is.

I don't think that's the case. But he is just not consistent. And then the injuries.

With each coach he's essentially become a fringe rotation player who shows enough to get us excited from time to time, but as you say, injuries and lack of consistency on offense prevent him from becoming a full-time reliable rotation player. We simply can't rely on him at this point in time for more than some defensive stops. The shooting looks so good, yet the overall shooting numbers are just abysmal. He is shooting 19% from 2pt range this season. For a player who sees zero attention from defenses and rarely takes contested shots, how can he possibly shoot that poorly?

I agree with this to a point. Thought Frank coming off bench as a PG for 20 minutes a game was OK for his first year. Next 2 years were awful and when you have Elf, Dennis and Frank in a PG rotation it just sucks. Frank is a 3 and D specialist - not a PG - and it took til maybe this year to solidly put that into place? Maybe it was there last year but it was such a butt**** of a season who knows. This year Frank derails himself with the injuries? That's what I disagree with in terms of role and responsibilities; 3&D vs PG.

He has the yips on O. He has stretches where his D is phenomenal and disruptive (both individually and in team scheme) but we have also seen where he is over aggressive and fouls a lot this year.

The FO didn't trade him; maybe there were no offers. It'll be interesting to see if he is offered a contract and how much it'll be.

Why would you resign him, unless you had a personal relationship with him and you just feel sorry for a player who doesn't put in the work to get better.

I see some fans hoping for a cheap contract (for what) you get what you pay for.

Imagine the Orlando magic investing long term $$ into Payton because he had a few decent games under is rookie contract.

You guys always talk about acquiring struggling players thinking a new scenery will propelled them into greatness, well that's what you should hope for Frank, at least thats what I hope for him, he's run his course in NY, 4 yrs avg 4.5 to 5 points per game...No way.

Some players take 5 to 7 yrs before they figure it out, beal and Randle are perfect examples, they were already good, but now they are real good. Franks not good, so to wait 2 to 3 more season for him to be avg...just not worth it

I think Frank puts in the offseason work, but as we have discussed here; yips/mental blocks are his biggest downfall at this point. He just doesn't have the mental strength to train himself into being a strong offensive player no matter how much he works on his shooting. He still comes across as a rookie out there in terms of being a deer in the headlights with the ball in his hands, knowing when to shoot, etc.

Panos wrote:Yet another thread hijacked by the French Prince!

Let's hope Obi reaches these levels!

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:Frank is mystery. He bought some good defensive energy and shot well last night. Perhaps a role of 12 min a night CONSISTENTLY would yield a consistent performance? We know what was. 22 year players are not static, then can improve and get stronger if that was lacking. If you love to hate frank you bank on the past. If you love to see him succeed you realize he would be a 4 year college draftee this year. Most of us frank fans are just happy as pie this team s doing well. What becomes of him? I have no idea. For all I know There might be a market for him as a free agent for team that sees potential. He might just go back to Europe as well. I for one cannot make any proclamations to his future status. The he is a low rotational player in his 4th year and. RFA it takes no rocket scientist to say his time is done here. At the same time Thibs sees the work, sees in practice the progress if any and perhaps a coach of experience with hands on daily knowledge can access and project out what this player might become.

Consistent minutes and a consistent role breeds confidence. Frank is more than useful and @ 22 yrs old (if healthy) can give us a lot of what Bullocks brings to the table at a lower price tag. In the end, I wouldn't be surprised if Frank and his representatives are looking for a fresh start.

It really is amazing Frank is only 22. Blackballed by back to back regimes because he was a Phil pick. His shooting has absolutely improved this year and he is a defensive stud when he actually gets to play. We could resign him on a one year $6 million deal to be the wing role that Bullock/Burks play

He will help the Nets or Mavericks big time next year

Philc1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:Frank is mystery. He bought some good defensive energy and shot well last night. Perhaps a role of 12 min a night CONSISTENTLY would yield a consistent performance? We know what was. 22 year players are not static, then can improve and get stronger if that was lacking. If you love to hate frank you bank on the past. If you love to see him succeed you realize he would be a 4 year college draftee this year. Most of us frank fans are just happy as pie this team s doing well. What becomes of him? I have no idea. For all I know There might be a market for him as a free agent for team that sees potential. He might just go back to Europe as well. I for one cannot make any proclamations to his future status. The he is a low rotational player in his 4th year and. RFA it takes no rocket scientist to say his time is done here. At the same time Thibs sees the work, sees in practice the progress if any and perhaps a coach of experience with hands on daily knowledge can access and project out what this player might become.

Consistent minutes and a consistent role breeds confidence. Frank is more than useful and @ 22 yrs old (if healthy) can give us a lot of what Bullocks brings to the table at a lower price tag. In the end, I wouldn't be surprised if Frank and his representatives are looking for a fresh start.

It really is amazing Frank is only 22. Blackballed by back to back regimes because he was a Phil pick. His shooting has absolutely improved this year and he is a defensive stud when he actually gets to play. We could resign him on a one year $6 million deal to be the wing role that Bullock/Burks play

He will help the Nets or Mavericks big time next year

Frank Ntilikina signed a 4 year / $18,689,218 contract with the New York Knicks, including $18,689,218 guaranteed, and an annual average salary of $4,672,305. In 2020-1, Ntilikina will earn a base salary of $6,176,578, while carrying a cap hit of $6,176,578 and a dead cap value of $6,176,578.

Talk about being grossly overpaid

How much of that did he really earn, he should give the knicks half of that sht back, I would rather pay Bullock that money.

Is there ONE NBA player that you would give that kind of money to AVG franks #s?

A discount would be 900K for his services next season

Philc1 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:Frank is mystery. He bought some good defensive energy and shot well last night. Perhaps a role of 12 min a night CONSISTENTLY would yield a consistent performance? We know what was. 22 year players are not static, then can improve and get stronger if that was lacking. If you love to hate frank you bank on the past. If you love to see him succeed you realize he would be a 4 year college draftee this year. Most of us frank fans are just happy as pie this team s doing well. What becomes of him? I have no idea. For all I know There might be a market for him as a free agent for team that sees potential. He might just go back to Europe as well. I for one cannot make any proclamations to his future status. The he is a low rotational player in his 4th year and. RFA it takes no rocket scientist to say his time is done here. At the same time Thibs sees the work, sees in practice the progress if any and perhaps a coach of experience with hands on daily knowledge can access and project out what this player might become.

Consistent minutes and a consistent role breeds confidence. Frank is more than useful and @ 22 yrs old (if healthy) can give us a lot of what Bullocks brings to the table at a lower price tag. In the end, I wouldn't be surprised if Frank and his representatives are looking for a fresh start.

It really is amazing Frank is only 22. Blackballed by back to back regimes because he was a Phil pick. His shooting has absolutely improved this year and he is a defensive stud when he actually gets to play. We could resign him on a one year $6 million deal to be the wing role that Bullock/Burks play

He will help the Nets or Mavericks big time next year

You believe that he was blackballed by mills and now Leon becuse he was picked by Phil? You read this in one of Hillary's email? Where do you get this from? If anything he has been given every opportunity by all. Even Thibs!