Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Ugh, hate when I type a reply and my phone signal craps out.

I understand that Mitch still bites on fakes, not enough now to make fouling out an issue.

Where you, Jmpasq, and I apparently disagree is wether we've seen enough to bring Mitch back for anything more than a clearly team friendly deal. I believe there is enough evidence to make a competitive offer, but not so competitive that it keeps the FO from bringing back Noel. Id like to see if the cap prodigy Leon Rose hired can help make bringing back both Mitch and Noel doable.

Confident that bringing in a real floor general will give Mitch,Noel,Obi, the BBall equivalent of a "power up". Will make the most of their skill sets. Give us a competitive edge on both ends of the court.

We are literally not talking about that at all. It was just about Mitch not doing enough in the offseason and how it has hurt him.

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Ugh, hate when I type a reply and my phone signal craps out.

I understand that Mitch still bites on fakes, not enough now to make fouling out an issue.

Where you, Jmpasq, and I apparently disagree is wether we've seen enough to bring Mitch back for anything more than a clearly team friendly deal. I believe there is enough evidence to make a competitive offer, but not so competitive that it keeps the FO from bringing back Noel. Id like to see if the cap prodigy Leon Rose hired can help make bringing back both Mitch and Noel doable.

Confident that bringing in a real floor general will give Mitch,Noel,Obi, the BBall equivalent of a "power up". Will make the most of their skill sets. Give us a competitive edge on both ends of the court.

We are literally not talking about that at all. It was just about Mitch not doing enough in the offseason and how it has hurt him.

So you're saying there is room for improvement and you dont know wether or not to bring him back.

Not at all

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Ugh, hate when I type a reply and my phone signal craps out.

I understand that Mitch still bites on fakes, not enough now to make fouling out an issue.

Where you, Jmpasq, and I apparently disagree is wether we've seen enough to bring Mitch back for anything more than a clearly team friendly deal. I believe there is enough evidence to make a competitive offer, but not so competitive that it keeps the FO from bringing back Noel. Id like to see if the cap prodigy Leon Rose hired can help make bringing back both Mitch and Noel doable.

Confident that bringing in a real floor general will give Mitch,Noel,Obi, the BBall equivalent of a "power up". Will make the most of their skill sets. Give us a competitive edge on both ends of the court.

We are literally not talking about that at all. It was just about Mitch not doing enough in the offseason and how it has hurt him.

So you're saying there is room for improvement and you dont know wether or not to bring him back.

Not at all

So you havent said anything at all.

I don't know GustavBahler, is this what your back and forth is all about? Feels very childish of you. This is my original and can be taken at face value

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Ugh, hate when I type a reply and my phone signal craps out.

I understand that Mitch still bites on fakes, not enough now to make fouling out an issue.

Where you, Jmpasq, and I apparently disagree is wether we've seen enough to bring Mitch back for anything more than a clearly team friendly deal. I believe there is enough evidence to make a competitive offer, but not so competitive that it keeps the FO from bringing back Noel. Id like to see if the cap prodigy Leon Rose hired can help make bringing back both Mitch and Noel doable.

Confident that bringing in a real floor general will give Mitch,Noel,Obi, the BBall equivalent of a "power up". Will make the most of their skill sets. Give us a competitive edge on both ends of the court.

We are literally not talking about that at all. It was just about Mitch not doing enough in the offseason and how it has hurt him.

So you're saying there is room for improvement and you dont know wether or not to bring him back.

Not at all

So you havent said anything at all.

I don't know GustavBahler, is this what your back and forth is all about? Feels very childish of you. This is my original and can be taken at face value

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

I dont know either Martin. Im trying to get you to share with the board, wether or not you have decided Mitch's lack of progress is enough to bring him back? Is it a state secret? Trying to expand the discussion beyond $$$$.

How many ways to I have to ask the same question? Why the detour to semanticland?

How does Mitch's current level of play in your words "hurt" him beyond less money in the bank? You know, the Knicks part. What I'm here for.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Ugh, hate when I type a reply and my phone signal craps out.

I understand that Mitch still bites on fakes, not enough now to make fouling out an issue.

Where you, Jmpasq, and I apparently disagree is wether we've seen enough to bring Mitch back for anything more than a clearly team friendly deal. I believe there is enough evidence to make a competitive offer, but not so competitive that it keeps the FO from bringing back Noel. Id like to see if the cap prodigy Leon Rose hired can help make bringing back both Mitch and Noel doable.

Confident that bringing in a real floor general will give Mitch,Noel,Obi, the BBall equivalent of a "power up". Will make the most of their skill sets. Give us a competitive edge on both ends of the court.

We are literally not talking about that at all. It was just about Mitch not doing enough in the offseason and how it has hurt him.

So you're saying there is room for improvement and you dont know wether or not to bring him back.

Not at all

So you havent said anything at all.

I don't know GustavBahler, is this what your back and forth is all about? Feels very childish of you. This is my original and can be taken at face value

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

I dont know either Martin. Im trying to get you to share with the board, wether or not you have decided Mitch's lack of progress is enough to bring him back? Is it a state secret? Trying to expand the discussion beyond $$$$.

How many ways to I have to ask the same question? Why the detour to semanticland?

How does Mitch's current level of play in your words "hurt" him beyond less money in the bank? You know, the Knicks part. What I'm here for.

Actually you are not asking it, you are putting statements out and attributing them. Twice or more.

If you wanna ask, feel free but that's not at all what you are doing until now. That's not sementicland.

So it was semantics. I tried to bring out your opinion on Mitch's status beyond this season. Instead of correcting me, explaining why this is important. You decided to shut down any attempt to continue the discussion.

The biggest tell is that you still havent answered the question....

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Ugh, hate when I type a reply and my phone signal craps out.

I understand that Mitch still bites on fakes, not enough now to make fouling out an issue.

Where you, Jmpasq, and I apparently disagree is wether we've seen enough to bring Mitch back for anything more than a clearly team friendly deal. I believe there is enough evidence to make a competitive offer, but not so competitive that it keeps the FO from bringing back Noel. Id like to see if the cap prodigy Leon Rose hired can help make bringing back both Mitch and Noel doable.

Confident that bringing in a real floor general will give Mitch,Noel,Obi, the BBall equivalent of a "power up". Will make the most of their skill sets. Give us a competitive edge on both ends of the court.

We are literally not talking about that at all. It was just about Mitch not doing enough in the offseason and how it has hurt him.

So you're saying there is room for improvement and you dont know wether or not to bring him back.

Not at all

So you havent said anything at all.

I don't know GustavBahler, is this what your back and forth is all about? Feels very childish of you. This is my original and can be taken at face value

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

I dont know either Martin. Im trying to get you to share with the board, wether or not you have decided Mitch's lack of progress is enough to bring him back? Is it a state secret? Trying to expand the discussion beyond $$$$.

How many ways to I have to ask the same question? Why the detour to semanticland?

How does Mitch's current level of play in your words "hurt" him beyond less money in the bank? You know, the Knicks part. What I'm here for.

Actually you are not asking it, you are putting statements out and attributing them. Twice or more.

If you wanna ask, feel free but that's not at all what you are doing until now. That's not sementicland.

So it was semantics. I tried to bring out your opinion on Mitch's status beyond this season. Instead of correcting me, explaining why this is important. You decided to shut down any attempt to continue the discussion.

The biggest tell is that you still havent answered the question....

GustavBahler, I am trying to be very candid with you here. If you think that style of posting - and it amounts to you putting your words into statements and attributing to me while taking cover several posts later as trying to ask a question - is anywhere near reasonable, it's just not, and I don't think you'd want anyone else doing the same for you. And to be clear, your statements were absolute, clear tangents on what I had put out.

Maybe you didn't read what I wrote closely or just misspoke or whatever, but really, if you want to ask a question then do so, and if I think it's worth responding to, I will.

Since we're being candid. Go back and read our past interactions Martin. You're frequently combative, if not obnoxious from the jump. So my clumsy attempt to get you to expound on how this hurt Mitch was clamming up. Look at my question in bold. You said I didnt ask you "properly" What was that Martin?

Want me to ask you again? You wanted to keep arguing. Try taking the high road the next time.

He’s a critical weapon against teams that play legit bigs.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

martin wrote:Mitch had a ton of offseason to do 2 things to propel him into a very large extension: Make sure his FT's were solid - and really anything almost above 65% would have been OK - and developing a bunny jumpshot. Anywhere between 5-15 feet.

He lost millions because of it.

Probably the same with not going to college for a year.

This is what's concerning. You can tell Barrett and Randle worked their asses off and became much better players. Mitch is still the same the player.

Fouled out very few times this season, as opposed to last season. Thats an improvement. When the PG is looking to get Mitch involved, he fills the stat sheet.

The only way to do that is to find a real floor general. The FO finds one, by going whatever route, we should see a more productive player. Already impacts the strategy of opposing offenses. The only way to know for sure if Mitch will take his game to the next level, is to find a next level PG in his prime, or in the neighborhood.

One of Mitch and Obi's greatest strengths is moving without the ball. Before even considering moving on from them. I want to see a legit floor general running the offense. Who is mentally and physically up to the job.

Not concerned about the shooting (or lack thereof) Mitch can do a lot of damage with the right PG, without taking a single jumper. I do agree that it shouldnt stop Mitch from expanding his game. I see Mitch having enough of one right now to bring back. If he doesnt break the bank

I truly do wonder how he and his trainer worked on correcting his Fouling in the offseason and somehow missed out on and neglected the FT's and jumpshots. Regardless, feel like it was more the coaches who helped out Mitch with that one; the preseason games were an almost duplicate of Mitch biting on pump fakes and it took him that long to also learn to better manage PnR and team defense.

Also, pointing out deficiencies around him doesn't really speak to what he could have accomplished as an individual, and that's the point we are speaking to.

Mitch wasn’t biting on fakes like in previous seasons. That’s why his fouling went down dramatically

I have to agree with Martin that Robinson might be losing Millions by not putting the extra work in. While those videos of him crossing up high schoolers are fun and all, I figure he can do a little better. That said, I don’t know what he is really doing in his offseason, so I can’t talk.

What I do know is that with his dimensions and that quick bounce, his upside at C is huge. Nothing would make me happier than watching him take the next step.