MaTT4281 wrote:No to trading Obi. Even if you're concerned about fit, this is selling low. He's got the skills, he's got the drive, and he oozes chemistry. I'm going to trust the coaching staff with him - he was a Thibs guy. Clearly there was a game plan for him. It's up to the staff to figure this out since Randle's emergence. I'm very confident they will get this working right.

I want to see what a contract extension would look like for Mitch. Can we offer one this summer, when we have a little more leverage off his injuries this year? I'm inclined to think he'd pass, choosing to bet on himself, but who knows what his agent might advise (and even who that may be come the offseason...)

I think we're warming up maybe a little too much at the idea of trading him, simply because out of sight, out of mind. Noel has been phenomenal. My ideal scenario is keeping both. Getting to see Mitch play again I think will be a nice refresher - I think it was the game he broke his hand, he already had 13 or 14 rebounds in the first half?! Add in some lobs from Rose, Randle, RJ...he's still a difference maker IMO. Not untradeable, but I need more than a mid to late 1st.

Good points

Toppin looks like a force that hasn’t figured out he is good. My eye test says he is a player over the last 15 games.

MaTT4281 wrote:No to trading Obi. Even if you're concerned about fit, this is selling low. He's got the skills, he's got the drive, and he oozes chemistry. I'm going to trust the coaching staff with him - he was a Thibs guy. Clearly there was a game plan for him. It's up to the staff to figure this out since Randle's emergence. I'm very confident they will get this working right.

I want to see what a contract extension would look like for Mitch. Can we offer one this summer, when we have a little more leverage off his injuries this year? I'm inclined to think he'd pass, choosing to bet on himself, but who knows what his agent might advise (and even who that may be come the offseason...)

I think we're warming up maybe a little too much at the idea of trading him, simply because out of sight, out of mind. Noel has been phenomenal. My ideal scenario is keeping both. Getting to see Mitch play again I think will be a nice refresher - I think it was the game he broke his hand, he already had 13 or 14 rebounds in the first half?! Add in some lobs from Rose, Randle, RJ...he's still a difference maker IMO. Not untradeable, but I need more than a mid to late 1st.

xblvdels3 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:No to trading Obi. Even if you're concerned about fit, this is selling low. He's got the skills, he's got the drive, and he oozes chemistry. I'm going to trust the coaching staff with him - he was a Thibs guy. Clearly there was a game plan for him. It's up to the staff to figure this out since Randle's emergence. I'm very confident they will get this working right.

I want to see what a contract extension would look like for Mitch. Can we offer one this summer, when we have a little more leverage off his injuries this year? I'm inclined to think he'd pass, choosing to bet on himself, but who knows what his agent might advise (and even who that may be come the offseason...)

I think we're warming up maybe a little too much at the idea of trading him, simply because out of sight, out of mind. Noel has been phenomenal. My ideal scenario is keeping both. Getting to see Mitch play again I think will be a nice refresher - I think it was the game he broke his hand, he already had 13 or 14 rebounds in the first half?! Add in some lobs from Rose, Randle, RJ...he's still a difference maker IMO. Not untradeable, but I need more than a mid to late 1st.

Good points

Toppin looks like a force that hasn’t figured out he is good. My eye test says he is a player over the last 15 games.

Remember Isaiah paying James Jones on potential. I don't think any team would give mitch more than 2 yr contract.

I questioning Mitch's work ethic because i don't see the him getting much better yr to yr like GYM RATS do.

It took 4 season before Gannis starting shooting jump shots, and he's still not to comfortable from out there.

He's avg 8 points and 8 rebounds, you know how many players in the league is averaging that.

I would take Christian wood over Mich in a heartbeat (based on how this team is right now)

xblvdels3 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:No to trading Obi. Even if you're concerned about fit, this is selling low. He's got the skills, he's got the drive, and he oozes chemistry. I'm going to trust the coaching staff with him - he was a Thibs guy. Clearly there was a game plan for him. It's up to the staff to figure this out since Randle's emergence. I'm very confident they will get this working right.

I want to see what a contract extension would look like for Mitch. Can we offer one this summer, when we have a little more leverage off his injuries this year? I'm inclined to think he'd pass, choosing to bet on himself, but who knows what his agent might advise (and even who that may be come the offseason...)

I think we're warming up maybe a little too much at the idea of trading him, simply because out of sight, out of mind. Noel has been phenomenal. My ideal scenario is keeping both. Getting to see Mitch play again I think will be a nice refresher - I think it was the game he broke his hand, he already had 13 or 14 rebounds in the first half?! Add in some lobs from Rose, Randle, RJ...he's still a difference maker IMO. Not untradeable, but I need more than a mid to late 1st.

Good points

Toppin looks like a force that hasn’t figured out he is good. My eye test says he is a player over the last 15 games.

Remember Isaiah paying James Jones on potential. I don't think any team would give mitch more than 2 yr contract.

I questioning Mitch's work ethic because i don't see the him getting much better yr to yr like GYM RATS do.

It took 4 season before Gannis starting shooting jump shots, and he's still not to comfortable from out there.

He's avg 8 points and 8 rebounds, you know how many players in the league is averaging that.

I would take Christian wood over Mich in a heartbeat (based on how this team is right now)

I don’t disagree with you. After 3 years now he has only figured out how to not foul
Out of games. He has learned to be a better center by proper positioning. Still he is only a lob threat and rim protector who is about 50/50 from the line. I don’t see anymore than 8-10m but by using what other centers have gotten and potential he will try to get more. (Why not lol)

The question is will he be better than Noel in 3 years.

If so then we have to try and keep him at the best cheap price we can

I think the coaches know more about him in practice than we do. He is not even trying to be an offensive threat in games outside of put backs and lobs.

Maybe they know he has offensive upside and limiting him to keep value down. Idk

But we will find out this summer by their offer.

Its kind of difficult to have any offensive game if a player is not in the offensive game plan. The only plays the Knicks run for Mitch are PNR Lobs......and I can't even remember the last time I saw them running even that for Obi. They are both 5th options on O - relegated to perimeter screens and handoffs, put backs, fast break opportunities, the occasional lob, and standing out on the perimeter (Obi) for a final option 3.

I imagine that they'll need to show more in practice to warrant more involvement in the game plan. That being said, watching Obi over the last 10 games - he seems to be much more comfortable - would like to see him getting a few ISO opportunities in the post......as it currently stands - Rose and IQ rarely pass to him even if he has positioning down low.

foosballnick wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:

MaTT4281 wrote:No to trading Obi. Even if you're concerned about fit, this is selling low. He's got the skills, he's got the drive, and he oozes chemistry. I'm going to trust the coaching staff with him - he was a Thibs guy. Clearly there was a game plan for him. It's up to the staff to figure this out since Randle's emergence. I'm very confident they will get this working right.

I want to see what a contract extension would look like for Mitch. Can we offer one this summer, when we have a little more leverage off his injuries this year? I'm inclined to think he'd pass, choosing to bet on himself, but who knows what his agent might advise (and even who that may be come the offseason...)

I think we're warming up maybe a little too much at the idea of trading him, simply because out of sight, out of mind. Noel has been phenomenal. My ideal scenario is keeping both. Getting to see Mitch play again I think will be a nice refresher - I think it was the game he broke his hand, he already had 13 or 14 rebounds in the first half?! Add in some lobs from Rose, Randle, RJ...he's still a difference maker IMO. Not untradeable, but I need more than a mid to late 1st.

Good points

Toppin looks like a force that hasn’t figured out he is good. My eye test says he is a player over the last 15 games.

Remember Isaiah paying James Jones on potential. I don't think any team would give mitch more than 2 yr contract.

I questioning Mitch's work ethic because i don't see the him getting much better yr to yr like GYM RATS do.

It took 4 season before Gannis starting shooting jump shots, and he's still not to comfortable from out there.

He's avg 8 points and 8 rebounds, you know how many players in the league is averaging that.

I would take Christian wood over Mich in a heartbeat (based on how this team is right now)

I don’t disagree with you. After 3 years now he has only figured out how to not foul
Out of games. He has learned to be a better center by proper positioning. Still he is only a lob threat and rim protector who is about 50/50 from the line. I don’t see anymore than 8-10m but by using what other centers have gotten and potential he will try to get more. (Why not lol)

The question is will he be better than Noel in 3 years.

If so then we have to try and keep him at the best cheap price we can

I think the coaches know more about him in practice than we do. He is not even trying to be an offensive threat in games outside of put backs and lobs.

Maybe they know he has offensive upside and limiting him to keep value down. Idk

But we will find out this summer by their offer.

Its kind of difficult to have any offensive game if a player is not in the offensive game plan. The only plays the Knicks run for Mitch are PNR Lobs......and I can't even remember the last time I saw them running even that for Obi. They are both 5th options on O - relegated to perimeter screens and handoffs, put backs, fast break opportunities, the occasional lob, and standing out on the perimeter (Obi) for a final option 3.

I imagine that they'll need to show more in practice to warrant more involvement in the game plan. That being said, watching Obi over the last 10 games - he seems to be much more comfortable - would like to see him getting a few ISO opportunities in the post......as it currently stands - Rose and IQ rarely pass to him even if he has positioning down low.

I agree with you

TPercy wrote:

420Amelia wrote:A top 7 pick is tempting but probably costs too much to move up. Should try to get a future 1st for Toppin now while his potential can be sold. Anyone hear of http://DraftHD.com ? Apparently a new draft site. MFERS are hardcore lol Mocks all the way up to 2028.

I love the draft as much as anyone but damn Though, I'm not sure I'd trust anything they put out after seeing Scottie Barnes at #3 in their 2021 mock They also said they'd take both Jalens over Cade if it was their decision to make lmaoo