Welpee wrote:Quick question - Toronto publicly admitted to trying to trade Lowry to the team of his choosing but couldn't work out a deal that made sense. If Lowry, on the last year of his deal, says he would like to play for a contender: 1) why wouldn't Toronto buy him out and let him walk since they think so highly of him and want to do right by him? And 2) since he had his eye on Philly wouldn't you think the Knicks could also make a run at him given that we could offer him way more money than Philly?

That's the type of move I want to see the Knicks make. The heck with Drummond.

Lowrey likely wants 2 years and 50mm beyond this year. 35 years old now.

EwingsGlass wrote:I remember the threads on here about not trying to get CP3 from NO cause he had a bad back. Not trading Melo for Durant cause his foot injury might not heal. There are so many reasons not to do deals. But most arguments ignore the long term view.

I don’t think the Drummond that was playing with the Cavs is the Drummond the Knicks want to sign. But I think that body is the body Thibs wants in the middle of his D. Say what you will about him, he is still one of the biggest bodies at the C.

I think the Knicks have an opportunity this season with use it or lose it money that they literally have to spend to add another solid big to their roster.

I don’t know if Thibs will get the best out of him. But I trust Thibs to try.

I see it as a free option to add a solid big. Only question is the contract he gets. You sign him if he wants to join.

I'm not completely closed off to the idea of Drummond. I'm just waiting for someone to give me a compelling reason. The fact is that Drummond's weaknesses in Cleveland in Detroit are the same ones that have manifested throughout his entire career. Even if he couldn't get motivated in Cleveland, what does that say about him? The team was in the mix for the play-in game earlier in the season and this is a contract year. Wouldn't that raise questions regarding his overall motor? BTW, I don't think he was unmotivated. I think he just sucks offensively.

ESOMKnicks wrote:We were down this road before with DeAndre Jordan. Drummond is his younger clone, only worse defensively. Did not do us much good then, will not do us much good now. Mitch + a couple of decent backups at C should be the way forward.

Deandre Jordan wasn’t the problem though, he’s on a team now with the best record in the eastern conference.

The case for Drummond is we need to start thinking about building depth so we can compete with the elite teams in the east like the Nets, Sixers, Bucks.

We have only two consistent scoring options, which are Barrett and Randle. What the Sixers and Nets games showed me last week is that we are closer than I expected but we are lacking Depth to be able to compete with elite teams for 48 minutes. Playing Randle for 48 minutes every playoff game because we don’t have any reliable scoring in second unit front court is not going to work against the Bucks or Sixers.

My main issue getting Drummond earlier this year was that I was afraid he would ruin our spacing.
But Randle and Barrett have greatly improved their outside shooting so I don’t think Drummond would ruin our chemistry on offense.
We beat the Wizards last night with Taj Gibson playing center, because of his screen setting and picks were amazing. I think Drummond fill Gibsons role and do everything way better.

HoustonSprewell84 wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:We were down this road before with DeAndre Jordan. Drummond is his younger clone, only worse defensively. Did not do us much good then, will not do us much good now. Mitch + a couple of decent backups at C should be the way forward.

Deandre Jordan wasn’t the problem though, he’s on a team now with the best record in the eastern conference.

The case for Drummond is we need to start thinking about building depth so we can compete with the elite teams in the east like the Nets, Sixers, Bucks.

We have only two consistent scoring options, which are Barrett and Randle. What the Sixers and Nets games showed me last week is that we are closer than I expected but we are lacking Depth to be able to compete with elite teams for 48 minutes. Playing Randle for 48 minutes every playoff game because we don’t have any reliable scoring in second unit front court is not going to work against the Bucks or Sixers.

My main issue getting Drummond earlier this year was that I was afraid he would ruin our spacing.
But Randle and Barrett have greatly improved their outside shooting so I don’t think Drummond would ruin our chemistry on offense.
We beat the Wizards last night with Taj Gibson playing center, because of his screen setting and picks were amazing. I think Drummond fill Gibsons role and do everything way better.

Drummond cannot set a pick to save his life. Also, wasn't Taj perfect from the floor? I am not going to even get into his defensive presence. Drummond in nothing like Taj and he does not replace his production in any way shape or form.

EwingsGlass wrote:I remember the threads on here about not trying to get CP3 from NO cause he had a bad back. Not trading Melo for Durant cause his foot injury might not heal. There are so many reasons not to do deals. But most arguments ignore the long term view.

I don’t think the Drummond that was playing with the Cavs is the Drummond the Knicks want to sign. But I think that body is the body Thibs wants in the middle of his D. Say what you will about him, he is still one of the biggest bodies at the C.

I think the Knicks have an opportunity this season with use it or lose it money that they literally have to spend to add another solid big to their roster.

I don’t know if Thibs will get the best out of him. But I trust Thibs to try.

I see it as a free option to add a solid big. Only question is the contract he gets. You sign him if he wants to join.

I remember being against bringing Paul to NY back then, but I thought it was knee surgery. Believe posters were more skiddish back then, because mgmt couldnt seem to stop signing injury prone players to expensive, long term deals. Paul seemed like one more. He also was known as more of a hard case back then. No State Farm commercials.

Even though its a small sample size, Im going to go out on a limb and say that we should have traded for Paul.

Thing is, the way things were run back then, would it surprise anyone if CP3 went running for the door, at the first opportunity?

As for Drummond, he seems to take his foot off the gas enough for teams not to care about his numbers. Drummond is the kind of player you add for redundancy. You dont bet the farm on him. Other teams have and lost.

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HoustonSprewell84 wrote:I have switched my opinion on this,

I would welcome Drummond, considering how little offense we get from the center position.

As long as Drummond is cool being the the 3rd option behind Randle and Barrett, he would take us to the next level with his passing and rebounding, and he probably has better hands than Noel.
It would make us the best rebounding team in the league with the way Barrett rebounds.

At what cost to defense and team chemistry are you willing to go to add a little offense at the C spot?

I get the chemistry concerns, But he's definitely good insurance and adds depth and rebounding, the top two things you need in the playoffs.

Besides, the Pros definitely outweigh the Cons.

No team carries 4 playable centers (especially if they can't double as PF's). And the Knicks are not deficient in rebounding.

So what are the Pro's?

Noel and Mitch have not been the most healthiest players on the roster, and if we do make the playoffs, and one of them (if not both) are not available, are you comfortable with just TAJ, KNOX, OBI.

What do we have to lose?

The coaching staff has done a damn good JOB with the vets we have, putting them in a position to be successful. You guys always talking about coaching making a difference.

And if he so bad, why are so many teams interested (contenders)

Capspace to bring much needed PG and wing depth. If you want to bring in Lonzo(and I'm not saying I'm for this), you can't waste space on guys like Drummond.

Drummond has an expiring Contract, how he does he effect FA this summer?

There were quite a few people who were against keeping Randle and trading for Rose, you were definitely part of that group.

Drummond would be an upgrade at center regardless to how you call it, if he struggles defensively, you can sit him and play mitch or Noel.

Why else would he pick the Knicks over the Lakers unless we offer him a multiple year deal? He's not coming to the Knicks as an expiring deal.

Ok, but you seem to trust everything the FO and Coaching staff has been doing, and if they believe this is a good move for the team, why would you all of sudden question their plan now.

I'm assuming he will get more PT here then he would playing in LA with AD and Harrell.

I'm not going to lie, I am question the motive to carry 3 Centers and none are a perimeter threat.

I'm also wondering if Aldrige is on the knicks radar, feel like he's a better fit

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EwingsGlass wrote:I remember the threads on here about not trying to get CP3 from NO cause he had a bad back. Not trading Melo for Durant cause his foot injury might not heal. There are so many reasons not to do deals. But most arguments ignore the long term view.

I don’t think the Drummond that was playing with the Cavs is the Drummond the Knicks want to sign. But I think that body is the body Thibs wants in the middle of his D. Say what you will about him, he is still one of the biggest bodies at the C.

I think the Knicks have an opportunity this season with use it or lose it money that they literally have to spend to add another solid big to their roster.

I don’t know if Thibs will get the best out of him. But I trust Thibs to try.

I see it as a free option to add a solid big. Only question is the contract he gets. You sign him if he wants to join.

I remember being against bringing Paul to NY back then, but I thought it was knee surgery. Believe posters were more skiddish back then, because mgmt couldnt seem to stop signing injury prone players to expensive, long term deals. Paul seemed like one more. He also was known as more of a hard case back then. No State Farm commercials.

Even though its a small sample size, Im going to go out on a limb and say that we should have traded for Paul.

Thing is, the way things were run back then, would it surprise anyone if CP3 went running for the door, at the first opportunity?

As for Drummond, he seems to take his foot off the gas enough for teams not to care about his numbers. Drummond is the kind of player you add for redundancy. You dont bet the farm on him. Other teams have and lost.

Knicks62 wrote:If Thibs really wants him, I am okay with it.

Thibs the player personnel guy has made many questionable moves. If Rose and Aller have calculated a way to bring Drummond in while protecting future cap space, then I won't be as upset.