HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:coaching matters.

Its really hard to evaluate talent when you are tanking. Tanking has its place, and we did that. Coming into the season with Mitch, Julius, RJ, Knox, Frank, DSjr, Obi, IQ... we needed to coach these guys up and see what we have.

I still think Randle is best a complimentary guy, but he's also part of the reason I brought up that Detroit team. Randle may or may not be an all star. He's not at the level of those top 10 guys. He's not there. But he's REALLY REALLY good and if you have a team with 4-5 guy like Randle who are well coached I think you can do pretty deep in this league.

Mitch/IQ/RJ are well on their way to being very good and in that category. Rose is a great bench piece. This is part where you just let this thing cook. If you get a trade that helps you for low cost (like with Rose) you make it, or if something bigger comes loose like Booker maybe you pull that trigger but otherwise just let it sit and cook.

This is the least fun part of the process. You set up the greenhouse nicely. Now you need some time to let the plants grow. We have 3 good picks in this draft coming up and its a good draft. Thats the next place to execute.

Think the notion that the Knicks were going to trade Randle for scraps was only in the minds of the hater Knick fan base who failed to see the value of a 25 year old that was putting up close to a double double every year since he came into the league. As I have been reminding people for quite some time. Fact is, Randle has been a bull since he played with the Lakers. It was easy to see the many attributes he possessed if looked at with a subjective eye. And not with one that was jaded by unrealistic expectations. Never understood why so many favored a short sighted narratives focused on "spinovers" yet ignored difficult offensive accomplishments and physicality. Especially when, as you mentioned, coaching makes a difference. and the mistakes he was making was due to Fizdale putting him in a position he was not ready for. However, it was not that difficult to predict Randle was destined to be a next level talent based on his early and consistent scoring and rebounding numbers. I give the Knicks a lot of credit for bringing him over and then for not listening to the media or short sighted fan base this past off season. Think he is exactly the type of FA player we should continue to focus on. YOUNG talented players coming off their rookie or first contracts who have shown above average ability and more importantly have had solid production numbers. Think they like Randle will have the best probability of becoming valued and high level players.

EwingsGlass wrote:1) What is impressive is that his usage rate has not changed. Near identical to last year.
2) The location and movement of his teammates changed. Guys making better cuts. Robinson boxing out. This decreases turnovers. Increases assists and increases rebounds.
3) His work on the 3pt shot increased his range and the team’s floor spacing. Increased 13% over last year. This 40% from behind the arc really boosts his efficiency.
4) His work from the charity stripe has been wonderful. Up 7% from last year.
5) He understands what to do better when double teamed. His assists are up. His turnovers are about the same. He can still make a bad pass when pressed, but some of this is experience and slowing the game down.

I advocating for signing Randle (and Russell) that 18 offseason. I advocated for trading Randle after 19-20 when the guy we got didn’t match the Pelican we signed. But this year has been a revelation.

He is putting up numbers that would speak to star status. A playoff berth and some experience there might push him to the next level.

I’m more with OP than realists. Serious contender for most improved player.

Feel like this is Randle's biggest weakness and one that a playoff team will exploit to good measure at the right time. Julius is a good enough passer but if a blind double team comes, he gets himself in trouble

martin wrote:AMAZING

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These are LeBron like numbers right?

I think he would offer us a favorable contract extension.

Knixkik wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:Randle said he wants to contend for championships in ny.

I think he would offer us a favorable contract extension.

That's my hope too.

If not we can vilify him as an ungrateful self centered arse for not wanting to be here and apply self protective “good riddance” as he leaves!

I don’t doubt he wants a long term contract here but its important as a human to be valued and while its not always about the money, its about the respect and valued which the number represents. These guys endure pain and sacrifice and often its unrewarded as only the top 1% in the world gets to play in the league and often there is not much difference between the top 50 players and the bottom 50 of the just 400 or so players.
Look at how guys kill it in the Gleague then can’t crack a rotation in the NBA. More often than not.
That said I respect Randles career thus far and his journey over 7 years to get here.
First and foremost is he worth big money? Seems so. Can he sustain it? Also if circumstances require is he tradable as an asset. No different than many teams have to decide each year. We just have not done this very often in recent history!

martin wrote:Strangely, feel like Randle is not getting the usual NY media accolades one would expect or is it just me?

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martin wrote:Strangely, feel like Randle is not getting the usual NY media accolades one would expect or is it just me?

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His game lacks the “Majesty” that would produce highlights to music. He does to sell sneakers, not a fashion guy, and one might say he is not prototypically a star looking kind of guy. He is married with a kid or two and has been since he came in the league and just kind of a grounded kind of guy. The world is round and nobody asks him about his political outlook either.

I think Randle is getting overlooked because of the media bias that exists against the Knicks. But counting stats aside, but analytics also have drag him down a bit and his game isn't that exciting. That said, he should still make the team as a reserve. He won't and that's BS.

Seems as the team wins the more positive knicks look in media. Quick is not a sensation but getting plenty of positive press.
Let’s be real, this is a weird season. COvid has hurt players. Lack of fans hurts the TV product as the energy is not the same.
Teams are streaky and the schedule is bonky.

Welpee wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:Strangely, feel like Randle is not getting the usual NY media accolades one would expect or is it just me?

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His game lacks the “Majesty” that would produce highlights to music. He does to sell sneakers, not a fashion guy, and one might say he is not prototypically a star looking kind of guy. He is married with a kid or two and has been since he came in the league and just kind of a grounded kind of guy. The world is round and nobody asks him about his political outlook either.

I think Randle is getting overlooked because of the media bias that exists against the Knicks. But counting stats aside, but analytics also have drag him down a bit and his game isn't that exciting. That said, he should still make the team as a reserve. He won't and that's BS.

Also, his great play doesn't validate the media's genius because they didn't forecast it. They'll promote LaMelo Ball's performance because they've been selling us on him being a big deal for a while. Nobody from the media called it on Randle so few are motivated to highlight it.