newyorknewyork wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:If anything we can now turn the page on the Porzingis chapter knowing that it has led to something better and has in a sense worked out in our favor to some extent.

its worked out. We used the cap space for Randle/Morris. Morris netted us a FRP who becomes IQ. We all love that move. Randle becomes a stud at PF and looks great playing next to Mitch.

We have a squad that Thibs can coach up and nice draft assets coming in.

Don’t forget the Dallas picks

Conidering their value at the time. Perry did a good job of trading Melo, and KP, while keeping an eye on the future. How we got Mitch, as well as Quickley.

Perry has been shrewder in terms of salaries given out and collecting assets. Have questions about his ability to build a team. But so far I can’t complain to much given the results.

Perry doesn't seem to have a good team-building sense but is a good enough GM to make moves while giving himself an 'out'. He didn't shoot himself in the foot enough to lose his job, and i think he's experienced enough as a GM where if there's strong leadership in place (as there seems to be now) he can provide value. It seems like he's letting the top guys focus on the team building and Perry is doing the grunt work and little things to make it happen since the plan is provided for him.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The thing is KP wanted to be here, but wanted to be in a winning environment with a franchise that had better direction even more.

As much as you like where you work, if the company has a high turnover and a dysfunctional management, your going to look for job

You think for one minute that if KP was here now he would be requesting a trade?

Definitely not. Knicks needed to fail bad enough to get headed in the right direction and get the right people here. But Porzingis with injuries, his brother's menacing, his off the court issues of fights at a club and rape allegations, his growing ego, and his distancing from teammates, he became part of the problem it seems. A lot of the issues that are coming to a head with Harden in Houston were happening in NY with Porzingis, only worse when you consider he's not as good of a player and the injuries.

Why are we not hearing Nothing about that since he's been in Dallas. I can't remember a single Knick fan (other than myself and a couple others) that had any concerns about KP's injuries, and was flat out willing to give him the MAX despite his fatigue concerns and his injuries. Then he asked for a trade, and all of a sudden he's an ass hole, who's his injury prone

Even when his brother clearly stated a yr prior that they would not be signing any extension until they see progress, the knicks respond with a TANK mentality, and most knick fans thought that was tough talk and figure no rookie is going to turned down a max contract. I indicated KP was not no AAU player that grew up in a poor environment.

The Fans that blame kp for leaving more than they blame the front office for forcing his hand are ridiculous, because he was the 4th player that wanted out from under that regime that could attract a single all star in 7 yrs

I'm not sure that narrative is true. The stories that leaked out indicated KP and his brother are divas. Take a deep dive into KPs brother's social media and you'll see maybe he was up his own @$$. Also, you did hear rumblings of KP being frustrated with his role in Dallas behind Luka. Not saying the Knicks are blameless, but KP is no victim. Besides it's in the past. As for who's better right now, it's Randle by default since he can actually play. KP is clearly more talented on both side of the ball and should be a HOFer if he keeps working hard. But his unwillingness to pass and make plays for his teammates and his push back against playing center makes him tough to build a sustainable winning team around him. Teaming up with Fat Luka was an ideal scenario.

NYKBocker wrote:Fuck KP and his horse he rode in! Fuck his brother too!

Soft ass fake wannabe.

lol

cooch2584 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The thing is KP wanted to be here, but wanted to be in a winning environment with a franchise that had better direction even more.

As much as you like where you work, if the company has a high turnover and a dysfunctional management, your going to look for job

You think for one minute that if KP was here now he would be requesting a trade?

Definitely not. Knicks needed to fail bad enough to get headed in the right direction and get the right people here. But Porzingis with injuries, his brother's menacing, his off the court issues of fights at a club and rape allegations, his growing ego, and his distancing from teammates, he became part of the problem it seems. A lot of the issues that are coming to a head with Harden in Houston were happening in NY with Porzingis, only worse when you consider he's not as good of a player and the injuries.

Why are we not hearing Nothing about that since he's been in Dallas. I can't remember a single Knick fan (other than myself and a couple others) that had any concerns about KP's injuries, and was flat out willing to give him the MAX despite his fatigue concerns and his injuries. Then he asked for a trade, and all of a sudden he's an ass hole, who's his injury prone

Even when his brother clearly stated a yr prior that they would not be signing any extension until they see progress, the knicks respond with a TANK mentality, and most knick fans thought that was tough talk and figure no rookie is going to turned down a max contract. I indicated KP was not no AAU player that grew up in a poor environment.

The Fans that blame kp for leaving more than they blame the front office for forcing his hand are ridiculous, because he was the 4th player that wanted out from under that regime that could attract a single all star in 7 yrs

I'm not sure that narrative is true. The stories that leaked out indicated KP and his brother are divas. Take a deep dive into KPs brother's social media and you'll see maybe he was up his own @$$. Also, you did hear rumblings of KP being frustrated with his role in Dallas behind Luka. Not saying the Knicks are blameless, but KP is no victim. Besides it's in the past. As for who's better right now, it's Randle by default since he can actually play. KP is clearly more talented on both side of the ball and should be a HOFer if he keeps working hard. But his unwillingness to pass and make plays for his teammates and his push back against playing center makes him tough to build a sustainable winning team around him. Teaming up with Fat Luka was an ideal scenario.

HOF?? Ya gotta play to be put into the HOF I am so happy we got rid of him.

True, but you can't deny the talent is there.

Currently, Randle is playing better than KP ever played in his career. But it's only 8 games. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Keep in mind, KP's last season here we got off to a solid start with him as our top guy. In 2017-18 we started the season 10-7 and KP was averaging around 26 ppg.

Welpee wrote:I'm answering this question based on who I think is the better talent, so I have to go with KP.

Currently, Randle is playing better than KP ever played in his career. But it's only 8 games. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Keep in mind, KP's last season here we got off to a solid start with him as our top guy. In 2017-18 we started the season 10-7 and KP was averaging around 26 ppg.

Randle is the better all around player and it’s not even close, your talking about a guy who doesn’t make others around him better in KP . When healthy KP averages 20pts, 9 reb, 1 assist per game, other then weak side shot blocking has a hard time defending the perimeter. His conditioning is awful, numbers and consistency fade with usage, it’s amazing how KP can disappear in games when he’s not scoring . He’s not a +/-player he’s more of a taller melo he gets his but that’s it.

Randle is the PF version of LBJ with the right coach in thibs, even when he’s not scoring he’s having a huge impact on winning. weather it’s rebounding, getting teammates open looks, or making a impact on defense. He’s becoming one of the most complete players in the NBA and at 26 he’s just heading into his prime, so his numbers should get even better which is scary .

Right now randle averaging 23pts 12 rebs 7 assists shooting 49% from the field. Right now he’s the top PF in the game.

KP has a long way to go to get to randle’s level of play

The Knicks have the hardest schedule in the NBA after watching other teams thibs has the Knicks playing like a well oiled machine. With randle playing like the best PF in the game, Mitch playing like the best defensive center in the league and our role players sticking to there strengths I don’t think we’re just making the playoffs. I think we are gonna make some noise in the postseason as well.

knicks1248 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Welpee wrote:I'm answering this question based on who I think is the better talent, so I have to go with KP.

Currently, Randle is playing better than KP ever played in his career. But it's only 8 games. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Keep in mind, KP's last season here we got off to a solid start with him as our top guy. In 2017-18 we started the season 10-7 and KP was averaging around 26 ppg.

Randle is the better all around player and it’s not even close, your talking about a guy who doesn’t make others around him better in KP . When healthy KP averages 20pts, 9 reb, 1 assist per game, other then weak side shot blocking has a hard time defending the perimeter. His conditioning is awful, numbers and consistency fade with usage, it’s amazing how KP can disappear in games when he’s not scoring . He’s not a +/-player he’s more of a taller melo he gets his but that’s it.

Randle is the PF version of LBJ with the right coach in thibs, even when he’s not scoring he’s having a huge impact on winning. weather it’s rebounding, getting teammates open looks, or making a impact on defense. He’s becoming one of the most complete players in the NBA and at 26 he’s just heading into his prime, so his numbers should get even better which is scary .

Right now randle averaging 23pts 12 rebs 7 assists shooting 49% from the field. Right now he’s the top PF in the game.

KP has a long way to go to get to randle’s level of play

The Knicks have the hardest schedule in the NBA after watching other teams thibs has the Knicks playing like a well oiled machine. With randle playing like the best PF in the game, Mitch playing like the best defensive center in the league and our role players sticking to there strengths I don’t think we’re just making the playoffs. I think we are gonna make some noise in the postseason as well.

Didn't you want Randle gone a few weeks ago?

I think Myself, Fish and hofstra were the only posters that was not on board with trading randle..

Yeah I wanted him gone before the season started I was wrong, I’ll eat it . I never though he was a bad player I knew he was really good, I didn’t know he would be this good with great coaching. Plus with us drafting Toppin, I thought the general consensus was to move on from JR but thankfully we didn’t !

fitzfarm wrote:

Welpee wrote:I'm answering this question based on who I think is the better talent, so I have to go with KP.

Currently, Randle is playing better than KP ever played in his career. But it's only 8 games. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Keep in mind, KP's last season here we got off to a solid start with him as our top guy. In 2017-18 we started the season 10-7 and KP was averaging around 26 ppg.

Randle is the better all around player and it’s not even close, your talking about a guy who doesn’t make others around him better in KP . When healthy KP averages 20pts, 9 reb, 1 assist per game, other then weak side shot blocking has a hard time defending the perimeter. His conditioning is awful, numbers and consistency fade with usage, it’s amazing how KP can disappear in games when he’s not scoring . He’s not a +/-player he’s more of a taller melo he gets his but that’s it.

Randle is the PF version of LBJ with the right coach in thibs, even when he’s not scoring he’s having a huge impact on winning. weather it’s rebounding, getting teammates open looks, or making a impact on defense. He’s becoming one of the most complete players in the NBA and at 26 he’s just heading into his prime, so his numbers should get even better which is scary .

Right now randle averaging 23pts 12 rebs 7 assists shooting 49% from the field. Right now he’s the top PF in the game.

KP has a long way to go to get to randle’s level of play

The Knicks have the hardest schedule in the NBA after watching other teams thibs has the Knicks playing like a well oiled machine. With randle playing like the best PF in the game, Mitch playing like the best defensive center in the league and our role players sticking to there strengths I don’t think we’re just making the playoffs. I think we are gonna make some noise in the postseason as well.

fitzfarm wrote:

Welpee wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

Welpee wrote:I'm answering this question based on who I think is the better talent, so I have to go with KP.

Currently, Randle is playing better than KP ever played in his career. But it's only 8 games. Can he keep it up? Time will tell. Keep in mind, KP's last season here we got off to a solid start with him as our top guy. In 2017-18 we started the season 10-7 and KP was averaging around 26 ppg.

Randle is the better all around player and it’s not even close, your talking about a guy who doesn’t make others around him better in KP . When healthy KP averages 20pts, 9 reb, 1 assist per game, other then weak side shot blocking has a hard time defending the perimeter. His conditioning is awful, numbers and consistency fade with usage, it’s amazing how KP can disappear in games when he’s not scoring . He’s not a +/-player he’s more of a taller melo he gets his but that’s it.

Randle is the PF version of LBJ with the right coach in thibs, even when he’s not scoring he’s having a huge impact on winning. weather it’s rebounding, getting teammates open looks, or making a impact on defense. He’s becoming one of the most complete players in the NBA and at 26 he’s just heading into his prime, so his numbers should get even better which is scary .

Right now randle averaging 23pts 12 rebs 7 assists shooting 49% from the field. Right now he’s the top PF in the game.

KP has a long way to go to get to randle’s level of play

The Knicks have the hardest schedule in the NBA after watching other teams thibs has the Knicks playing like a well oiled machine. With randle playing like the best PF in the game, Mitch playing like the best defensive center in the league and our role players sticking to there strengths I don’t think we’re just making the playoffs. I think we are gonna make some noise in the postseason as well.

Did you say any of this 2 months ago? If Randle can keep this up over 72 games, I'll co-sign. I just can't go that far off of 8 games.

I hear ya, for me personally, I just don’t see how he can regress with the great coaching staff we’ve put together... I think the staff has given randle his best chance to play his strengths, while not putting to much on his plate.