BigDaddyG wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:WTF would we want to trade Randle? Right now we lucked into Randle---now keep him happy.

The question is if Randle is just got or if he's finally there. If he's finally ascended then we're in a good situation talent wise, but the question of his market value remains. Do we extend him more years? Maybe he decides to play the market? If Obi shows good improvement, maybe we flip him and keep Randle. If this is just a mirage, we risk not trading Randle if his value is at his highest.

you flip him if you have someone in the wings who is potentially already better. (other situations might apply to, e.g., if he wants out and you can get some value now versus letting him walk)

you don't flip him and create a hole, hoping the other guy develops or hoping you strike old in draft

Yeah, that's why I brought up the possibility of flipping Obi. To be honest, I know Randle is playing well, but he has to do it longer before I say he's off the table. As I said the in another thread, the team's ceiling is middling if Randle is the best player.

I agree that 7 games doesn't make a superstar. Its positive growth seeing him pass more though. I think of Joakim Noah and his role under Thibs in Chicago. Truthfully, I think Randle's ceiling is much higher than Noah's. I don't think Randle has to be the best player on the team. He is currently. Buy if he is doing 22/11/7 lines all season, I mean... that's nothing to whine about. I see this team getting better.

I like the sense of seeing where we are at 20 games. Randle is turning that 19.8mm option into a value contract. Until they decide they are not in the playoffs, they should act like they are.

Sangfroid wrote:

Chandler wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:WTF would we want to trade Randle? Right now we lucked into Randle---now keep him happy.

The question is if Randle is just got or if he's finally there. If he's finally ascended then we're in a good situation talent wise, but the question of his market value remains. Do we extend him more years? Maybe he decides to play the market? If Obi shows good improvement, maybe we flip him and keep Randle. If this is just a mirage, we risk not trading Randle if his value is at his highest.

you flip him if you have someone in the wings who is potentially already better. (other situations might apply to, e.g., if he wants out and you can get some value now versus letting him walk)

you don't flip him and create a hole, hoping the other guy develops or hoping you strike old in draft

At 4-3, almost 2 years out, these conversations are premature. Let's enjoy the ride.

It's this or five threads a day detailing the guys we should've taken in the 2020 draft. At least this topic has some relevance

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

IF a trade is made it will probably be next summer. This current roster is having way too much success to be meddled with by the deadline

I think we actually have a semi-realistic shot at Giannis next summer

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

IF a trade is made it will probably be next summer. This current roster is having way too much success to be meddled with by the deadline

I think we actually have a semi-realistic shot at Giannis next summer

he resigned.. there are literally no realistic FAs next year really worth it that would come here

i largely agree with the following caveat really more about opportunities than FAs. there were a lot of mediocre guys just signed for a lot of money. there will be buyer's remorse and some of those team will want to dump some of those guys, and other guys will be let lose because their new contract demands can't be met because of prior stupid signings. so there will be opportunities

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

IF a trade is made it will probably be next summer. This current roster is having way too much success to be meddled with by the deadline

I think we actually have a semi-realistic shot at Giannis next summer

he resigned.. there are literally no realistic FAs next year really worth it that would come here

Giannis will eventually want out of Milwaukee. He’s spinning his wheels there

Philc1 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

IF a trade is made it will probably be next summer. This current roster is having way too much success to be meddled with by the deadline

I think we actually have a semi-realistic shot at Giannis next summer

he resigned.. there are literally no realistic FAs next year really worth it that would come here

Giannis will eventually want out of Milwaukee. He’s spinning his wheels there

I don't buy that take. If in like 3 years they haven't gotten to finals, then maybe

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

TheGame wrote:We have Randle for one more season before we have to pay him more. He still has too many turnovers IMO but if he can sustain his current level of play for this season and next, then we probably will pay him max. That is a big if though.

Let's say he continues at pace similar to where he's at right now. Would his market be that much better than Gallo or Christian Wood?

Gallo never averaged what Randle is doing and Wood has only had a small sample size. If Randle averages 25 pts, 9-10 rbs, and 6-8 ast for this season and all of next season, then I think we would have to strongly consider resigning him and his value would be of a max type player. If Gordon Hayward can get max like money, then Randle would deserve similar money IF he keeps up the same averages for the next two years and IF the Knicks win with him at a decent pace.

I expect Randle's stats to level off to around 20-22 points, 9 rebounds, 3-4 assists, maybe 35% three point shooting. At 28 Randle does fit Hollinger's qualifications for having a fluke season. You're right about Wood, but I feel that you're leaving out the fact that Gallo gave you around 20 game with stellar level of a efficiency. What Randle is giving you shooting wise now is typical for Gallo. And Gallo has proven he can sustain it for multiple seasons. Randle isn't likely to maintain that pace. Plus, there has to be a market to help drive up Randle's price and we don't know how that is going to develop. I say try to trade now while the value is high and, especially, if Obi develops.

For what it is worth...Randle turned 26 about 5 weeks ago...Obi turns 23 in 2 months.

I'm one with lingering doubts about Obi...though I hope I'm wrong. If he develops like some think he can, perhaps you look to trade Randle, but if Thibs really has the magic touch with Randle, I can't see why we'd trade him unless we get a young established star in return.

My bad. For some reason I thought he was 28. As for why'd you trade, can his value get any higher? Let's say he he takes a step backwards. Is that final version a guy you want to invest in long-term? Unfortunately, we won't know the answer in either scenario until it's too late.

not true at all. Randle has a team option next year. We can see him for a whole year under Thibs this year before deciding next season what to do. We dont have to give him an extension. He can play out the string.

One thing we know is Thibs loves him. Randle ignored all the negativity including the Mills press conference where he apologizes for signing Randle in the first place. Instead he comes into camp best shape ever and works with Thibs and staff to learn system and acclimate other guys.

True, but we potentially lose any opportunity to trade him at peak value. At the same time, the longer they wait to to extend him, the more leverage they lose in the event that Randle has truly ascended to Super Saiyan.

IF a trade is made it will probably be next summer. This current roster is having way too much success to be meddled with by the deadline

I think we actually have a semi-realistic shot at Giannis next summer

Your thinking a trade then?
Have at it with savior starphucking but for a trade to happen we need to increase assets we have and the more that happens the more we won’t want to move those players. I’m not saying we should not do that but at some level you gut the team to make a deal. At some level its worth it. Not sure where that is.
Facts are you want FA like Randle who had yet to reach their potential. Those are rare.
Somtimes when you see Tim Hardaway JR have games like he did vs. Rockets you see why we paid him 18mm a year, an avg SG wage BTW. He could not carry the franchise when KP went down. Thats as our failure more so than his.

We have plenty of assets. Like I said in another thread we could realistically offer a package of Randle and 3-4 first round picks and even throw in Mitch

Sign Andre Drummond to replace Mitch

We end up with Giannis who will actually have a better supporting cast here and a chance to win in the NBA’s biggest market not some podunk place.

Other teams in the West get to do this why not us?

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