SupremeCommander wrote:Quickley is rapidly becoming one of my favorite Knicks trade/draft picks. People freakled out that the Knicks 'reached' for him (haha a 'reach' in the 20s -- if you think you have identified a guy, take him.. don't wait for 15 other scrubs to get taken first, makes no sense). Really focussed on everything else other than he produced and has one of the best shots in the draft...

Having said all that please no do not start him. Let him learn the NBA. Then let him beat up on the second teams. And literally most importantly, just get Quickly, RJ, Knox, Obi, and Mitch on the floor at the same time.. I want that group to play a lot together this year

+100

Right after IQ was drafted: 26 Payton Pritchard, 29 Malachi Flynn, 31 Tyrell Terry; so yeah, drafting the PG you want was absolutely neceeary.

technomaster wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Look, IQ looked very solid, but it was the cavs, there was no scouting report or game planning for him because he got the nod at the last minute. The Cavs saw how much the Zone defense killed us with detroit, so they came in with that game plan and IQ and Knox shattered it, and they never recovered.

I say bring him off the bench, if we're struggling to start games that's when you make the change

The young Cavs guards (3rd year Sexton and 2nd year Garland) allowed the Knicks to mount a huge comeback victory in the 3rd game - they had to be at least a little embarrassed, right? You'd think they'd make adjustments between games, come out and try to crush the rookie in the 4th game.

Instead he played even better!

Neither played in the third game. Those two looked bad. They are defensive liabilities to the extend cav’s drafted Ocoro to sure up the Defense instead of best player available.
I can go with IQ starting but I want Frank on second unit. I like the idea of progress but can’t fathom where rivers and Payton both exist if any thought to developing both Frank and Dennis. Fact is one likely does not come back next season. My guess is biased so I’d like frank and to get a 3 year/8mm deal. My take is he is a better trade asset as he can play defense. That body ever matures and his shot gains confidence he is a solid player in this league. Payton might start then ride the pine if Rivers supplants him.

Question is can quick play like this every game? If so, yeah, start him. But Let Frank guard Westbrook and others for 20 min a game!

technomaster wrote:One thought is if the Knicks do indeed start Quickley, it means our PG situation will be BETTER than last years - it means we have a better option than Payton/DSJ/Frank. Think of Quickley as fixing 2 things with 1 player:

Quickley fixes the starting lineup: he makes RJ and Randle better because he gives them a passing target and helps space the floor. His shooting is a skill that was completely lacking from the PG position last season - craziness!

Payton's a pretty competent all-around player - though his shooting is a glaring weakness. When he's on, he can stuff a statline - he has 17 career triple doubles. While he's above average in a number of areas, he isn't exceptional in any one, not enough to offset his shooting.

Payton on the bench becomes a better player - You get more value out of Payton if he's surrounded by athletic shooters - in this case, the Knicks bench is a much better unit that plays better to his skill set. Multiple shooters can hide his deficiency as can the running game. Obi/Knox/Bullock/Rivers give him a bunch of targets on the wing or on the break; and he has a few options for pick and roll partners (including Noel/Robinson).

What Quickley did in the last two preseason games were take the ball completely out of the Knicks two so-call point-forwards hands (Randle & RJ) to stop their consistent turn-over prone performance.
Plus Quickley's play making skills made our two bust players (Knox & Bullocks) performance equal to the performance of RJ and Randle.
PG-Payton & PG-Frank need a backcourt partner that has Quickley's SG skills in their lineup.
I mention before the preseason games that rookie Quickley's skills will take minutes away from Barrett at the SG position.

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Philc1 wrote:

xblvdels3 wrote:100 percent on board with Quickley but I agree with Clyde. better to come of the bench for the first 3-5 games. If he looks solid as a substitute and Payton is bricking put him as the starter.

The pacers are aware of what Quickley has been doing. I think teams will test him as he gets scouted. I don’t want him to get waxed and lose confidence by the pros in the first game.

I want to say Quickley was my desired draft pick a month ago.

I don't get it. This mentality that the knicks have to keep starting these veteran scrubs no one else wants because eh uh I dunno

It's more to protect the young players. Teams scouts, schemes change and it can be challenging for a rookie. Just thinking long-term.

I've seen a bunch of interviews of Quickley. He's a very mature kid. Not to mention there won't even be crowds at games this year so even if he has a bad game it's not like he's getting booed

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