Knixkik wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

Clean wrote:I have to admit watching him run the team at PG was the most excited I have been about the Knicks in a while. We have needed a good PG for a long time and the team looked good with him running the show.

He can shoot, he can dribble, he has good court vision

Start him and Frank in the backcourt. I’d even consider waiving Payton

I know everyone loves Frank but he’s not a starting caliber player. Burks is and if you have a backcourt of quickley and Burks you have enough shooting and maybe enough playmaking too. Starting Frank doesn’t address the biggest needs of this team.

Would want to keep Frank away from Randle to begin with. Burks should start over Frank as he is a quality enough vet. But Frank played 2 preseason games. The first one he played good. Thibs went with Smith, Frank, Knox, Obi, Mitch. The lineup that brought the team back in the game after the starters put the team in the hole. 2nd game he doesn't come in until 7 mins left in the 3rd to be paired with a Randle-Obi frontcourt. No favors were done for Frank with that. He drains a 3 then Randle refuses to hit him again when he's wide open. He didn't assume actual PG duties though until he was put back in with 5 mins left in the game due to Smith playing terrible at the time. But again was paired with Randle and we were not really running action at the top of the key where PGs make a living off of. Thibs could have easily stuck with what worked the game before and let them build. But he choose to sacrifice Frank for the experiment.

Yesterday looked good offensively from removing Randle's style of play from the equation and allowing the guards to run the offense with way more guard friendly sets. Which in the end set up the shooters and the bigs for alley oops.

The issue with Frank is he continues to play in slow motion with the ball in his hands and isn't much of a threat playing off the ball. He has to show something either on the ball or off. If not, he's a useful 5th guard on a team for his defensive energy. But right now Payton and Quickley probably earn all of the minutes at the 1 and Burks and Rivers will have the minutes at the 2. Frank and DSJ are basically fighting for minutes when 1 out of those 4 guys are out.

C Mitch and Noel
PF Randle and Obi
SF Barrett and Knox
SG Burks and Rivers
PG Payton and Quickley

That seems like the best 10 when the team is whole.

While its probably true that Payton being on the roster eats up mins, though he has no long term future here and doesn't fit with the roster. Rivers in the lineup you presented also isn't the greatest of fit. When looking at what he brings to the table with Obi & Knox there. Id rather have the defensive length of Noel, Frank, Quickely with Obi & Knox being the scorers. That at least should be given the opportunity as it has more potential.

You are mostly just making general statements as well. First preseason game with the lineup of Smith, Frank, Knox, Obi, Mitch they all looked and played fast and looked good doing it with Frank in the off ball role. Hit a 3, pull up jumper, and got 3 ft attempts while playing his usual fantastic defense all in the flow.

Nalod wrote:Take a step back. IQ had a nice game vs. Gleaguers. I’m not saying thats bad by any stretch but we react as if it validates his existence in a manner at a higher level.
We now cutting players, erasing Dennis’ name from existence and still savior plucking ourselves for Cade Cunningham which at best we have a 14.55 chance at.

Thee kids were there to demonstrate they belong and not be Gleaguers.
IT was a great opportunity to get IQ quality minutes even if vs. Cavs JV squad. NO way am I ready to anoint IQ the PG seat yet.

Come on man! Savior plucking is an annual right! Just as strong the second amendment and religious bigotry via freedom of speech

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Take a step back. IQ had a nice game vs. Gleaguers. I’m not saying thats bad by any stretch but we react as if it validates his existence in a manner at a higher level.
We now cutting players, erasing Dennis’ name from existence and still savior plucking ourselves for Cade Cunningham which at best we have a 14.55 chance at.

Thee kids were there to demonstrate they belong and not be Gleaguers.
IT was a great opportunity to get IQ quality minutes even if vs. Cavs JV squad. NO way am I ready to anoint IQ the PG seat yet.

Come on man! Savior plucking is an annual right! Just as strong the second amendment and religious bigotry via freedom of speech

I am doing a 180 and anointing Quicks as our savior PG.

I will be driving the bandwagon until further notice or bad play.

Ira wrote:Quickly certainly looked like he could handle the position last night. Maybe it's too early to get excited, but I'm excited.

That Ira is some **** worth being excited about. Cheers :)

fishmike wrote:

Ira wrote:Quickly certainly looked like he could handle the position last night. Maybe it's too early to get excited, but I'm excited.

be excited. Whats better than drafting a kid that fills a need with a late FRP you got in a deadline trade for Marcus Morris and that kid shows right out of the gate that HE BELONGS.

That Ira is some **** worth being excited about. Cheers :)

Give Perry some credit for pulling the trigger on the Morris trade. That's how you conduct business, signing Morris for a future asset. That future asset is Now and he may turn into an intrical peice as we continue to build this franchise..

Quick has give this Franchise some life and optimism. Also give credit to Rose, Payne and the Kentucky connects

Uptown wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Ira wrote:Quickly certainly looked like he could handle the position last night. Maybe it's too early to get excited, but I'm excited.

Briggs can brag but he throws so much stuff on the wall something is gonna stick.
No need to bring up how many other guys he wanted us to draft too.
But lets all revel in the goodness that this team wanted to draft him and he was projected 2nd rounder. Knicks reached up and even played around with the he pick and got him.
At any level I applaud him. I applaud Leon, Perry, Payne, Bryant, CAA, and whomever that bought him here.
That the Cav’s are so bad defensively they took Orcuro over OBI was a nice gift for us.
We reduced Elf’s salary by half, Rivers is on a short deal and Smith has a timeline I suppose we are not privy too.
Before we get too excited lets see how Quickly is scouted, how the big boys respond to him and how he defends some of the better guards. I’m not preaching caution, I’m just keeping it real. His game last night will gain attention and they will guard him to his weakness. Rookies that have some success have to adapt and keep adapting. I look forward to seeing him challenged and will root for his success like all others in the uniform.

Briggs wasn't the only one that saw potential in Quickley. I posted a video of him and mentioned that he should be our target with 27 or 2nd round pick. The difference is, I posted this in June in our NBA draft thread, Briggs started a thread about it so mines got buried...Another poster had a thread on Quickley right before the draft too....Either way, as a Knick fan, it feels good to grab a promising prospect so late in the draft

Briggs was actually knocking the pick come draft time and felt he had a hitch in his shot and wasn’t a pure PG. Wanted Pritchard instead. The PG play of the other PGs may have forced his interest in seeing him. Being he was the new toy.

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:Take a step back. IQ had a nice game vs. Gleaguers. I’m not saying thats bad by any stretch but we react as if it validates his existence in a manner at a higher level.
We now cutting players, erasing Dennis’ name from existence and still savior plucking ourselves for Cade Cunningham which at best we have a 14.55 chance at.

Thee kids were there to demonstrate they belong and not be Gleaguers.
IT was a great opportunity to get IQ quality minutes even if vs. Cavs JV squad. NO way am I ready to anoint IQ the PG seat yet.

Come on man! Savior plucking is an annual right! Just as strong the second amendment and religious bigotry via freedom of speech

I am doing a 180 and anointing Quicks as our savior PG.

I will be driving the bandwagon until further notice or bad play.

I may have to join you on that there wagon, That dude is the shot of adrenaline this team needs

Uptown wrote:Outside of his ability to make 3s, push the tempo which opens up the game for others ( For the first time in a Knick uniform, Bullock actually looked like a legit rotational guy) and the floaters in the lane, perhaps the most impressive aspect of his game is he plays like a vet

After a timeout, Quick was talking to one of the refs, clearly working him for future calls, like a vet, Quickley has an uncanny ability to draw fouls which is what you want considering he is an elite free-throw shooter. On defense. he is always reminding his teammates behind him to talk on defense. Also, just before the half. he was talking to Mitch about what appeared to be a missed defensive assignment. This kid is the goods!!!

All of this

He plays like the perfect modern PG - attacks, always on the move, keeps prodding the defense and makes them work. Hits the open man for 3s or alley oops. He can get in the paint and finish with his floater. He can hit the 3. He can hit his FT's. He plays well without the ball. AND... he's very active on defense - long arms and good anticipation.

Like Curry (or even Van Vleet) - he overcomes lack of elite explosion/athleticism with a high motor and a good deceptive herky jerky dribble.

Basically, in the preseason, he looked like the ideal PG for this team (or any team). Controls the pace but doesn't dominate the ball.

(and he did this vs Lottery PGs from the past 2 seasons - Sexton (1 pick before Knox!) and Garland.)

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