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BigDaddyG
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12/3/2020  1:24 PM
Philc1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I know Westbrook wouldn't have fitted, but thinking about this deal and what was traded- I feel like if we had offered to take Westbrook into our cap space (and i don't know that with our small moves we would have had any) in exchange for a 2nd rounder - we would have been on par with Wall & a first rounder!

Rose implied he made an offer similar to that when speaking with the media


Unfortunately Tillman Fertita thinks he’s getting the John Wall of 7 years ago


Woj now saying Harden pushed for Wall.
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12/3/2020  2:53 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I know Westbrook wouldn't have fitted, but thinking about this deal and what was traded- I feel like if we had offered to take Westbrook into our cap space (and i don't know that with our small moves we would have had any) in exchange for a 2nd rounder - we would have been on par with Wall & a first rounder!

Rose implied he made an offer similar to that when speaking with the media


Unfortunately Tillman Fertita thinks he’s getting the John Wall of 7 years ago


Woj now saying Harden pushed for Wall.

Hmm, trade for Wall , he doesn't take away your touches because you know, he doesn't play really, you get more shots to pad your legacy. :Mr Burns's voice: "Excellent!"

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12/3/2020  3:31 PM
Disappointing trade for the KNICKS, very real possibility that Dallas may miss the playoffs I think this weakens Houston considerably.

But, nice to know the Knicks were asking for additional assets to take Westbrook. Like what the new regime is doing to date.
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12/3/2020  3:44 PM
ramtour420 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I know Westbrook wouldn't have fitted, but thinking about this deal and what was traded- I feel like if we had offered to take Westbrook into our cap space (and i don't know that with our small moves we would have had any) in exchange for a 2nd rounder - we would have been on par with Wall & a first rounder!

Rose implied he made an offer similar to that when speaking with the media


Unfortunately Tillman Fertita thinks he’s getting the John Wall of 7 years ago


Woj now saying Harden pushed for Wall.

Hmm, trade for Wall , he doesn't take away your touches because you know, he doesn't play really, you get more shots to pad your legacy. :Mr Burns's voice: "Excellent!"

I think for all of Wall's ball dominance, he still looks to set guys up. Westbrook is just pure aggression, drive, pass or shoot. If Wall is even 80%, I think I'd prefer to play with him. Not saying he's better than Westbrook, especially now. But Wall's play style might be more agreeable to the style of most players. I don't think it reallmatters tho. As far as I know, Wall still can't really shoot.

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12/3/2020  3:49 PM
MS wrote:Disappointing trade for the KNICKS, very real possibility that Dallas may miss the playoffs I think this weakens Houston considerably.

But, nice to know the Knicks were asking for additional assets to take Westbrook. Like what the new regime is doing to date.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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12/3/2020  5:27 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
MS wrote:Disappointing trade for the KNICKS, very real possibility that Dallas may miss the playoffs I think this weakens Houston considerably.

But, nice to know the Knicks were asking for additional assets to take Westbrook. Like what the new regime is doing to date.

If Houston decides not to trade Harden and Wall is healthy enough then they’ll be right where they were last season. A really good regular season team that sucks in the playoffs.

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12/3/2020  5:38 PM

I am glad we passed on both of them. totally wrong time line, then money and injuries

of the two teams Houston has managed to pull things off i didn't expect, and the Wizard are at least in our (past?) tier of dumb teams. Pay porter huge money, neve fully get value for oubre, pay bertans big money. so based on that and nothing more i say Houston will end up ahead in this deal even if at the moment that's not clear

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12/3/2020  6:49 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/3/2020  6:52 PM
MS wrote:Disappointing trade for the KNICKS, very real possibility that Dallas may miss the playoffs I think this weakens Houston considerably.

But, nice to know the Knicks were asking for additional assets to take Westbrook. Like what the new regime is doing to date.

Seems like a lateral move for Houston. Wall is very rusty. Dont know if or when Wall will shake off the rust. If Wall is close to the player he was, can they co-exist? Paul couldnt, Westbrook couldnt. Harden made them feel like backup dancers. Wall is a ball dominant PG. Will have to play a much different game, when they're on the court at the same time.

Hope Doncic and KP have a healthy season. Our lotto pick is riding more on their availability than Harden/Wall IMO. They both stay healthy, are relatively healthy for the playoffs. Believe we will end up with a mid-first rounder. Higher seed than expected.
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GustavBahler wrote:
MS wrote:Disappointing trade for the KNICKS, very real possibility that Dallas may miss the playoffs I think this weakens Houston considerably.

But, nice to know the Knicks were asking for additional assets to take Westbrook. Like what the new regime is doing to date.

Seems like a lateral move for Houston. Wall is very rusty. Dont know if or when Wall will shake off the rust. If Wall is close to the player he was, can they co-exist? Paul couldnt, Westbrook couldnt. Harden made them feel like backup dancers. Wall is a ball dominant PG. Will have to play a much different game, when they're on the court at the same time.

Hope Doncic and KP have a healthy season. Our lotto pick is riding more on their availability than Harden/Wall IMO. They both stay healthy, are relatively healthy for the playoffs. Believe we will end up with a mid-first rounder. Higher seed than expected.

It’s a 3 year contract. Houston has to be betting Wall regains all star form. His elite passing will benefit their signing of Woods and Cousins.

When Houston likely moves Harden, they will benefit from the ball movement. That said, if they think Harden is staying, it doesn’t make much sense.

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12/3/2020  9:15 PM
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BigDaddyG wrote:
franco12 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I know Westbrook wouldn't have fitted, but thinking about this deal and what was traded- I feel like if we had offered to take Westbrook into our cap space (and i don't know that with our small moves we would have had any) in exchange for a 2nd rounder - we would have been on par with Wall & a first rounder!

Rose implied he made an offer similar to that when speaking with the media


Unfortunately Tillman Fertita thinks he’s getting the John Wall of 7 years ago

Is there any proof that John Wall can still play?


Just observers saying how good he looks in workouts.

Prior to the injury he suited and played in 90% of the wizards games, he took his time to get back to a 100% like Kawhi did, and kawhi came back and won a ring with another team.


a bad thought. Also it appeased Harden who was heading into a bad place with the rockets.
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GustavBahler wrote:
MS wrote:Disappointing trade for the KNICKS, very real possibility that Dallas may miss the playoffs I think this weakens Houston considerably.

But, nice to know the Knicks were asking for additional assets to take Westbrook. Like what the new regime is doing to date.

Seems like a lateral move for Houston. Wall is very rusty. Dont know if or when Wall will shake off the rust. If Wall is close to the player he was, can they co-exist? Paul couldnt, Westbrook couldnt. Harden made them feel like backup dancers. Wall is a ball dominant PG. Will have to play a much different game, when they're on the court at the same time.

Hope Doncic and KP have a healthy season. Our lotto pick is riding more on their availability than Harden/Wall IMO. They both stay healthy, are relatively healthy for the playoffs. Believe we will end up with a mid-first rounder. Higher seed than expected.

It’s a 3 year contract. Houston has to be betting Wall regains all star form. His elite passing will benefit their signing of Woods and Cousins.

When Houston likely moves Harden, they will benefit from the ball movement. That said, if they think Harden is staying, it doesn’t make much sense.

Makes more sense than Harden/Wall. If they're trading Harden. Id also trade Wall after a season. Especially if he was looking like his old self.

Houston has a new owner, FO, rookie HC. It would take 2-3 seasons (at least) to really make use of Wall's skill set. Given his age, injury history. Id sell high. Get a package of picks and prospects, from a team who is closer to contending.
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12/4/2020  9:47 AM
Perhaps if wall can return to form a team would take him by that contract is not easy to digest.
As for Harden the question is he now happy without Westbrook? If not look for him to to go Philly for Simmons or as noted, Brooklyn. BKN has to get a third team because they do’t have the “It” Player that Rockets would need.

Westbrook hung 27, 9 dimes, and seven rebounds last season. Wall has not played 50 games in the last two seasons. Wiz are a playoff team. Beal is very very good player!!!
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12/4/2020  10:14 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
franco12 wrote:I know Westbrook wouldn't have fitted, but thinking about this deal and what was traded- I feel like if we had offered to take Westbrook into our cap space (and i don't know that with our small moves we would have had any) in exchange for a 2nd rounder - we would have been on par with Wall & a first rounder!

Rose implied he made an offer similar to that when speaking with the media


Unfortunately Tillman Fertita thinks he’s getting the John Wall of 7 years ago


Woj now saying Harden pushed for Wall.

Lol
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12/4/2020  10:16 AM
If wall can even play again no doubt he has lost a step. These PGs rely a lot on speed. Look at what happened to Derrick Rose once the knee injuries started happening
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12/4/2020  12:31 PM
Philc1 wrote:If wall can even play again no doubt he has lost a step. These PGs rely a lot on speed. Look at what happened to Derrick Rose once the knee injuries started happening

He actually turned into a better player?
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12/5/2020  5:49 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:If wall can even play again no doubt he has lost a step. These PGs rely a lot on speed. Look at what happened to Derrick Rose once the knee injuries started happening

He actually turned into a better player?

Rose was a top 5 player in the nba before his first ACL. A few years later he was crap that got pawned off on Phil
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12/5/2020  10:37 AM
The last two years, off the bench, with limited physical ability he is now a better player. Not as good an athlete but his control, pace, playmaking and shot selections. He matured as a player.
Its a different look and I won’t argue the reduced statistics.
The odds are not in Walls favor but rather than outrun the field he might tap into other skills and perhaps by dialing it back, in effect becomes a better teammate. I’m just saying one can’t say for sure what will happen.
No, i don’t want his contract. Rose was a one year flyer who cost us little. Fact is in Detroit and Minny he did return to some lessor form of himself but not on the timeline for us. i was a worthwhile risk Phil took. It did not pan out.
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12/5/2020  4:06 PM
Wizards got a talented roster now but I don't think they have anyone who plays defense
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