knicks1248 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

ESOMKnicks wrote:

Welpee wrote:DSJ has got to be 1st team All-Off Season. I've never seen a player generate so much work out/training camp buzz every year and yield so little when the season starts.

I honestly think his main issue is his health and his back. The guy showed that he is a very good player (though not without shortcomings) in his first two seasons. There was pressure for him to show last year that he was a worthy return on the KP trade, that is why he played while his health conditions suggested he should not have. I do not know where the pressure was coming from - himself, his agent or the Knicks FO - but it was an ugly situation that should not have been brought to that.

Compare with how patient and nurturing Dallas has been with KP.

If Dennis's health is good this season, I am certain he will prove a lot more effective. If not - tough luck. Both for him and for Knicks fans.

DSJ was in that same "patient and nurturing" environment and didn't play winning basketball so I'm not buying the KP reference. Again, highlight real dunks mean nothing to me if it doesn't translate into winning. College or NBA, when has DSJ contributed to team success? At some point you have stop making excuses for the guy and just accept that (when healthy) he's an athletic player who can make exciting plays but doesn't contribute to winning. DRose led a mid-major to the NCAA championship game in college, so we knew it was in him. Who has DSJ ever led to success? He has one last season to change this narrative.

Your environment plays a key role in how you develop a player. How many students at YALE were Raise in the ghetto, or a poor environment. The knicks have develop losers across the board, the culture has been to tank, tank, tank.

The knicks consistently put together BAD teams, players that don't fit, redundant players, role players in starting positions, players that play for $$ more than pride. Everything the franchise is doing contributes to lousy development process and like clock work, they will continue the process this season with a hodge podge roster. No stars, No leaders, Nobody who really cares because they will more than likely not be there the following season.

That's partly why DSJ, frank, knox, mitch, Trier dotson, Iggy, have shown little to growth

And if we were so horrible with player development, how did KP become an all-star? Honestly, I hope he turns it around, but a lot of his red flags are not new and can't be blamed on Knick management.

Welpee wrote:
The guy I saw in Dallas (where they developed Luka) wasn't much different than the guy who ended up here. I remember seeing his stats as a rookie and thought we blew it drafting Frank ahead of him...until I got to actually see him play that season. There's a reason why fans on the Dallas message boards were happy to see him go.

I dunno, if DSJr returns at least to the form he had in Dallas and in his first 20 games as a Knick (5.4 APG and 14 PPG) we would actually be in pretty good shape, this is a lot more than we got out of him last season, and I think health was to blame for that. I understand that stats and winning basketball are not the same thing, but 10 extra PPG could really make a difference to the team and the difference in whether we re-sign him or trade him for a first rounder rather than lose him for nothing at the end of this season. So hoping he comes back in full health, and I trust that we would see at least his old levels of production.

Panos wrote:Saw this on reddit too

Classics never go out of style

ekstarks94 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:Saw this on Reddit...it might be time to move on from both DSJ and Frank.

It’s crazy on Twitter I think it was Macri asking what’s in DSJs mouth....I’m thinking like 1987 gold fronts...although dudes from the south they never go outta style...

Are they at a 90s’ party? What the hell do they have on? Does DSJr have gold grills?!! WTF?!

Philc1 wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

TheGame wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

TheGame wrote:It would be great if the kid learned to shoot but I just don’t see it happening. Plus, he still can’t play defense. I would give the kid a month and if he still looks lost, I would just trade him for whatever we can get.

You can say the same for frank, mitch and knox if none of them show any significant progress.

The difference is Mitch and Frank at least have one thing their good at -defense, and Knox has shown signs and is younger than all of them. Smith just does not seem to have his head on straight. Not that he is a bad kid but he just does not seem tough minded, and even if he improves his jumper, he still cannot play defense. I just don’t see anyway Smith shows enough to be resigned, so I would just try to get what we can at the trade deadline.

This. Mitch and Frank bring defense. Smith and Knox when on the floor together last season the Knicks -19 in points differential which, yes, is way worse than the team’s overall point differential

If you cannot shoot, play D or even protect the ball your team is going to lose, alot

So frank gets a steal, runs down the court and bricks a shot, mitch blocks a shot and air balls a perimeter shot, if you can't capitalize on the stops you do make, what's the purpose.

Fun fact: DSJ has never shot better than 34% from 3.

Also in 2 years with the Knicks his 3-point shooting has never even cracked 30%

At least Frank and Mitch play defense and last I recalled Thibs is a defensive coach

I wouldn't put Mitch in the same category as Frank and DSJ. The fact is from PG you NEED playmaking and scoring. Neither of these guys has shown this sustained over even a short stretch. You can get away with defense only on the non guard positions, but not here. This is do or die for both of them. I wouldn't want to even waste a roster spot for a backup PG that can't play the position competently.