knicks1248 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

TPercy wrote:A Paul for Randle deal would be so great. I’d even throw in 2nd rounders you to get it done. He’s production will definitely deteriorate and maybe he has injuries here and there but his leadership prescence and overall fit is much better than what Randle could over. FA for next two seasons isn’t looking great for us either

I would not attach any picks....with our luck(see McDyess) CP will come here and breakdown and everybody will be trying to send him to the glue factory...

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Wonder where Gallo ends up? Not many teams with big money, and he turned down $20mil per from the heat when they wanted to trade for him

in a way i'm more interested in guys like Reggie Jackson or Dennis Schroeder if Thibs wants someone to attack who has a better shot and IQ than DSJ

- Creates significant cap inflexibility over the next 2 years. That would mean in 2020, the Knicks would have to jettison players to make this work cap wise and for 2021 - you would have 4-5 guys (CP3, Randle,RJ, 2020 Draft Pick and Mitch) taking up 80% of your cap. Unless 2 of those guys are top 10 players, this is not a recipe for a team getting better especially considering CP3 will be 37 years old at that point.

- If OKC wants to move CP3 coming off such a productive All-Star season, you have to ask why? They see the writing on the wall, both Salary and Age wise and see a diminishing return. Smart front offices will realize this, and also realize that the buyer will have leverage - so no need to overpay. Unless OKC finds a desparate buyer......there has to be either assets coming back or salary dumps involved.

- Knicks are a bottom team....adding CP3 will make them better for a couple years, but how much better...and how much decline after 2 years? Is bringing him here worth the Cap inflexibility he will come with?

- CP3 is a great leader and will improve the overall performance, culture and development of the rest of the roster. However, how many on the current roster will be here to benefit from this longer term? Mitch may be here, and benefit over 2 years...but will he after CP3 departs in 2022? RJ and 2 future draft picks will be here and they will likely benefit, but that's about it.

- CP3 will be 37 when his contract expire and he becomes a UFA. Knicks will likely get no value in return for his departing the team.

Knixkik wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

ekstarks94 wrote:

TPercy wrote:A Paul for Randle deal would be so great. I’d even throw in 2nd rounders you to get it done. He’s production will definitely deteriorate and maybe he has injuries here and there but his leadership prescence and overall fit is much better than what Randle could over. FA for next two seasons isn’t looking great for us either

I would not attach any picks....with our luck(see McDyess) CP will come here and breakdown and everybody will be trying to send him to the glue factory...

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Wonder where Gallo ends up? Not many teams with big money, and he turned down $20mil per from the heat when they wanted to trade for him

There’s a good chance it’s the knicks. He’s no spring chicken but he fits our needs like a glove. And everywhere he plays his teams overachieve. And he’s CAA which doesn’t hurt.

It feels so long since we drafted him and Tractor Taylor broke his back in the preseason!

martin wrote:

foosballnick wrote:Unsure what the value proposition is in the Knicks trading for CP3.

- Creates significant cap inflexibility over the next 2 years. That would mean in 2020, the Knicks would have to jettison players to make this work cap wise and for 2021 - you would have 4-5 guys (CP3, Randle,RJ, 2020 Draft Pick and Mitch) taking up 80% of your cap. Unless 2 of those guys are top 10 players, this is not a recipe for a team getting better especially considering CP3 will be 37 years old at that point.

- If OKC wants to move CP3 coming off such a productive All-Star season, you have to ask why? They see the writing on the wall, both Salary and Age wise and see a diminishing return. Smart front offices will realize this, and also realize that the buyer will have leverage - so no need to overpay. Unless OKC finds a desparate buyer......there has to be either assets coming back or salary dumps involved.

- Knicks are a bottom team....adding CP3 will make them better for a couple years, but how much better...and how much decline after 2 years? Is bringing him here worth the Cap inflexibility he will come with?

- CP3 is a great leader and will improve the overall performance, culture and development of the rest of the roster. However, how many on the current roster will be here to benefit from this longer term? Mitch may be here, and benefit over 2 years...but will he after CP3 departs in 2022? RJ and 2 future draft picks will be here and they will likely benefit, but that's about it.

- CP3 will be 37 when his contract expire and he becomes a UFA. Knicks will likely get no value in return for his departing the team.

I think your starting point is not correct for 2021. CP3 will be at $44M, Barrett $8M, 2020 pick $5M, 2021 pick ~$5M, Randle has $4M buyout or $19M. Mitch will still be on rookie contract for $1.8M.

78% of Cap for 2021 includes Noah ($6.5) plus Randle (even if he is bought out - will take at approximate that amount to replace his position plus buyout).

stanleybostitch wrote:No one has brought up the top reason not to go after Paul - and I agree with folks who say 'no starphuch'. It would take us out of the Giannis sweepstakes (if my rough math is correct - Paul plus our first rounders this year and next wouldn't leave enough for the approx $42MM annually Giannis will command). Why do that? Even if Giannis is a stretch, you have to make a play - and Rose didn't come here to play bridesmaid to the Lebrons of the world. We're going to be in on Giannis and maintaining sufficient cap room to allow him to bring a second is a key selling point.

Might be easier for Paul to just go play in Milwaukee with Middleton?
Issue is BroPez. The kid upped his defensive game and is an offensive weapon. Im not going to sweat how they pay for it.
As for Giannis? We are not ready for him yet. As a free agent perhaps.

stanleybostitch wrote:No one has brought up the top reason not to go after Paul - and I agree with folks who say 'no starphuch'. It would take us out of the Giannis sweepstakes (if my rough math is correct - Paul plus our first rounders this year and next wouldn't leave enough for the approx $42MM annually Giannis will command). Why do that? Even if Giannis is a stretch, you have to make a play - and Rose didn't come here to play bridesmaid to the Lebrons of the world. We're going to be in on Giannis and maintaining sufficient cap room to allow him to bring a second is a key selling point.

Just think.....CHRIS PAUL HAD MORE IMPACT on OKC than all of the FA we signed (for 70 mill) COMBINE..

we have no history of signing top tier FA, the only way that happens is via trade (see melo)

With next season being short, his contract is a easy sell in it's finally yr, especially when you have a master negotiator at the helm.

I trust this FO will make the right decision..

knicks1248 wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:No one has brought up the top reason not to go after Paul - and I agree with folks who say 'no starphuch'. It would take us out of the Giannis sweepstakes (if my rough math is correct - Paul plus our first rounders this year and next wouldn't leave enough for the approx $42MM annually Giannis will command). Why do that? Even if Giannis is a stretch, you have to make a play - and Rose didn't come here to play bridesmaid to the Lebrons of the world. We're going to be in on Giannis and maintaining sufficient cap room to allow him to bring a second is a key selling point.

Just think.....CHRIS PAUL HAD MORE IMPACT on OKC than all of the FA we signed (for 70 mill) COMBINE..

we have no history of signing top tier FA, the only way that happens is via trade (see melo)

With next season being short, his contract is a easy sell in it's finally yr, especially when you have a master negotiator at the helm.

I trust this FO will make the right decision..

Let's see which direction they go in - if it's old-school 'trade the farm for bandaids' then they'll lose most of this board. If they play some chess for once, then they'll have most of the boards' trust. Chris Paul on his own does nothing for the team. Chris Paul with other moves could be interesting. But anything that takes us out of the Giannis sweepstakes in 21 would be ill advised.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:His contract can be traded in the final yr to any contender,its not that bad

That contract is huge. Even if we tried to get rid of it as an expiring, there aren't many teams available with right pieces to make it work through the salary cap. If you do a straight up swap, you're looking at players like Tobias Harris and other trash. We're one of the few teams with the cap flexibility to make it work while achieving OKCs goal of saving money. From that standpoint, we should demand picks if we're going to take on aging PG with bad knees.

Agreed. The idea that we would go through all that trouble, give up assets and would only walk away with the possibility of "trading him in his final deal" sums up how bad of an idea this would be. I mean, why would we do all that just to have a 36 star for one year?? Makes no sense to me.