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8/27/2020  9:03 AM
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knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?

What does doing nothing accomplish? People at the time would have said the same thing to Rosa Parks. At least they're trying to do something. Cast a stone into a pond and you never know where the ripples will reach.

Civil right leaders of that time chose Rosa Parks because she fit the optics of the situation. They could have easily backed Claudette Colvin but Parks was a known entity to the movement.

I generally do not ride the line political, but this has all become an actual NBA issue.

Jacob Blake, unlike Rosa Parks, does not fit any kind of practical fit for the optics around this situation. He has a previous criminal record. Including assault, drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault. Also the NBPA needs every team and every player to stop playing. Have they gotten that compliance? Remains to be seen. The other problem is the player are demanding change but have no and have given no clear definable goals. The legal system can't just convict a bunch of cops this soon after the Blake incident. The Rosa Parks situation was very clear. While it served a larger issue, the core issue was letting black people have equal rights on buses. It was a small controlled step towards pushing for larger change. The NBPA has no clear goal here. They are just shouting "Things need to change!" What things? These are things out of their control and that the NBA at large cannot control. We want black teachers hired in proportion to black students in X state. That's an actual goal in mind. That's giving the brands, the networks and the owners and league at large something to work around. Whether outrage is actually seen as good or bad, it's useless without a specific point. Don't keep shooting black people is not a practical demand. It may be a larger end goal in mind, but like Rosa Parks and buses, there must be some smaller controlled steps involved here.

You can argue all day about whether the NBA players are doing the right thing here, but this is a very very very curious case to make a stand behind. ( I'm calling the players actions stupid on this level. ) The NBPA could have waited for someone who was a school teacher and a former veteran in good standing who had no criminal record. They could have waited for anyone with a better optics situation than Blake. From a PR standpoint, this is actually worse than The Decision. I didn't think it was possible for a self inflicted PR nightmare worse than The Decision and Malice In The Palace, but these modern players have found a way.

Let's look at the practical fallout

1) Many people have already lost their jobs because of the pandemic that either directly related to the NBA or were indirectly benefited by it. More people will lose their jobs. Regular working stiffs.

2) If no one plays and the league cancels the season, the league will be in violation of their TV contracts. Since these teams are getting no gate revenue and the bubble was it's own massive expenditure, this is pretty bad. Now the networks are going to be in default with advertisers/sponsors, etc for these lost games. If the league loses it's TV contracts or they are torn up and reworked in a more punitive level, the BRI will collapse.

Canceling all games today was not an appeasement to make the players happy, it was an attempt to salvage this TV contract. The players aren't going to do this without talking to the NBPA, so now the league will be at war with the NBPA over this in private, so this could all lead to a future lockout.

Your post, especially the bolded is insensitive, lacks empathy, and is offensive! Not one time in your post do address the sickness of systemic racism running rampart through this country or the issue of police officers killing unarmed black men, women and children. The bolded shows a complete disregard to Black Lives. So, we are to sit back and allow black bodies to pile up and the widows and children are supposed to sift through their dead loved ones in search of a teacher or a doctor to hinge our protest or agenda too?! How insensitive does this sound?! Any black man, woman or child is disposable and we shoudn't bat an eye if they are killed by a police officer, who swore to protect and serve, if they have been arrested or suspended from school at point in their lives?!

Breonna Taylor, a black women, who was a medical technician who was killed while she slept by police officers who have yet to be charged! Is she good enough?!

good post dude. +1
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8/27/2020  9:13 AM
Uptown wrote:
TripleThreat wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?

What does doing nothing accomplish? People at the time would have said the same thing to Rosa Parks. At least they're trying to do something. Cast a stone into a pond and you never know where the ripples will reach.

Civil right leaders of that time chose Rosa Parks because she fit the optics of the situation. They could have easily backed Claudette Colvin but Parks was a known entity to the movement.

I generally do not ride the line political, but this has all become an actual NBA issue.

Jacob Blake, unlike Rosa Parks, does not fit any kind of practical fit for the optics around this situation. He has a previous criminal record. Including assault, drunk driving, domestic violence and sexual assault. Also the NBPA needs every team and every player to stop playing. Have they gotten that compliance? Remains to be seen. The other problem is the player are demanding change but have no and have given no clear definable goals. The legal system can't just convict a bunch of cops this soon after the Blake incident. The Rosa Parks situation was very clear. While it served a larger issue, the core issue was letting black people have equal rights on buses. It was a small controlled step towards pushing for larger change. The NBPA has no clear goal here. They are just shouting "Things need to change!" What things? These are things out of their control and that the NBA at large cannot control. We want black teachers hired in proportion to black students in X state. That's an actual goal in mind. That's giving the brands, the networks and the owners and league at large something to work around. Whether outrage is actually seen as good or bad, it's useless without a specific point. Don't keep shooting black people is not a practical demand. It may be a larger end goal in mind, but like Rosa Parks and buses, there must be some smaller controlled steps involved here.

You can argue all day about whether the NBA players are doing the right thing here, but this is a very very very curious case to make a stand behind. ( I'm calling the players actions stupid on this level. ) The NBPA could have waited for someone who was a school teacher and a former veteran in good standing who had no criminal record. They could have waited for anyone with a better optics situation than Blake. From a PR standpoint, this is actually worse than The Decision. I didn't think it was possible for a self inflicted PR nightmare worse than The Decision and Malice In The Palace, but these modern players have found a way.

Let's look at the practical fallout

1) Many people have already lost their jobs because of the pandemic that either directly related to the NBA or were indirectly benefited by it. More people will lose their jobs. Regular working stiffs.

2) If no one plays and the league cancels the season, the league will be in violation of their TV contracts. Since these teams are getting no gate revenue and the bubble was it's own massive expenditure, this is pretty bad. Now the networks are going to be in default with advertisers/sponsors, etc for these lost games. If the league loses it's TV contracts or they are torn up and reworked in a more punitive level, the BRI will collapse.

Canceling all games today was not an appeasement to make the players happy, it was an attempt to salvage this TV contract. The players aren't going to do this without talking to the NBPA, so now the league will be at war with the NBPA over this in private, so this could all lead to a future lockout.

Your post, especially the bolded is insensitive, lacks empathy, and is offensive! Not one time in your post do address the sickness of systemic racism running rampart through this country or the issue of police officers killing unarmed black men, women and children. The bolded shows a complete disregard to Black Lives. So, we are to sit back and allow black bodies to pile up and the widows and children are supposed to sift through their dead loved ones in search of a teacher or a doctor to hinge our protest or agenda too?! How insensitive does this sound?! Any black man, woman or child is disposable and we shoudn't bat an eye if they are killed by a police officer, who swore to protect and serve, if they have been arrested or suspended from school at point in their lives?!

Breonna Taylor, a black women, who was a medical technician who was killed while she slept by police officers who have yet to be charged! Is she good enough?!

Insensitive and disturbing

But knowing and reading this person's chats and his responses to my chats. Im glad he's showing his true colors. And Now I see why we clashed so much.

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8/27/2020  9:16 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes
Where were you two weeks ago when tgis little boy got **** directky in the face. A crime perhaps 1000x more ruthless than this 1?
https://toofab.com/2020/08/13/five-year-old-cannon-hinnant-shot-dead-cycling-in-neighbors-yard/

Why don’t the bucks talk about gun violence? Why don’t the bucks put a value for n a 5 year old riding his little bike? I think if these athletes took a stronger overall look into gun violence. ANY violence whether from a police officer or regular citizen.

I’ll give u a reality— While I’m personally appalled and shocked once again with a police officer using what I personally deem as excessive force— I mean tgis is a form of attempted murder in my book— it still is going y to o be looked at in different scopes k owing there was a knife abd knowing the man did not adhere to police direction. The victim himself could’ve deescalated. 7 bullets is cut and dry wrong but there are other things leading up to this that could’ve been avoided on both sides.
But the little kid who was riding his bike simply got a gun stuck in his face and had his head blown off while his 7-8 yo siblings watched.I did not hear LeBron tweet about that one. And lastly I think the use of the phrase”one of our own” is adherently racist. This is a police compliant issue and everyone despite creed or color need to get on the same page.

There isn't a history or trend of cases to go on that matches the circumstances of Cannon Hinnant to make this comparable. The person who did so was also captured, and will be charged to the full extent of the law. Protest work towards people or entities that rely on credibility for their image/income. There is no protest that is going to reach a person like the person that shot Cannon Hinnant in the head. Which is why that talking point brought up is more ignorance trying to get filtered into real conversation.

Taking a "stronger look into gun violence or any violence" goes hand in hand with attempting re-allocate funds towards social programs and education aka "Defund the police". Looking to build stronger more educated communities which in turn will reduce violent crime and gun violence. Because its targeting the root and not only criminalizing people after the fact which is a business in itself. The voting campaign that has been established as well has those same principals in mind. The overall effect will attack gun violence and violence in general.

In the 90s the media was big on capturing any black person that committed a crime. This has not lead to reduced crime rates and violence due to "awareness".

I’m not talking about race New York — I’m talking strictly gun violence— gun violence doesn’t just occur by police — in fact that is a very low %. The protest should be about gun violence in general. These are gun crimes whether it was Jacob the little boy— almost all these incidents are predicated on gun violence. Gun violence is an equal opportunity circumstance— it’s not white black or yellow— it’s it’s own evil mechanism.

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8/27/2020  9:30 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes
Where were you two weeks ago when tgis little boy got **** directky in the face. A crime perhaps 1000x more ruthless than this 1?
https://toofab.com/2020/08/13/five-year-old-cannon-hinnant-shot-dead-cycling-in-neighbors-yard/

Why don’t the bucks talk about gun violence? Why don’t the bucks put a value for n a 5 year old riding his little bike? I think if these athletes took a stronger overall look into gun violence. ANY violence whether from a police officer or regular citizen.

I’ll give u a reality— While I’m personally appalled and shocked once again with a police officer using what I personally deem as excessive force— I mean tgis is a form of attempted murder in my book— it still is going y to o be looked at in different scopes k owing there was a knife abd knowing the man did not adhere to police direction. The victim himself could’ve deescalated. 7 bullets is cut and dry wrong but there are other things leading up to this that could’ve been avoided on both sides.
But the little kid who was riding his bike simply got a gun stuck in his face and had his head blown off while his 7-8 yo siblings watched.I did not hear LeBron tweet about that one. And lastly I think the use of the phrase”one of our own” is adherently racist. This is a police compliant issue and everyone despite creed or color need to get on the same page.

There isn't a history or trend of cases to go on that matches the circumstances of Cannon Hinnant to make this comparable. The person who did so was also captured, and will be charged to the full extent of the law. Protest work towards people or entities that rely on credibility for their image/income. There is no protest that is going to reach a person like the person that shot Cannon Hinnant in the head. Which is why that talking point brought up is more ignorance trying to get filtered into real conversation.

Taking a "stronger look into gun violence or any violence" goes hand in hand with attempting re-allocate funds towards social programs and education aka "Defund the police". Looking to build stronger more educated communities which in turn will reduce violent crime and gun violence. Because its targeting the root and not only criminalizing people after the fact which is a business in itself. The voting campaign that has been established as well has those same principals in mind. The overall effect will attack gun violence and violence in general.

In the 90s the media was big on capturing any black person that committed a crime. This has not lead to reduced crime rates and violence due to "awareness".

Very well said!!!!

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8/27/2020  9:37 AM
So when LeBron James posts out what the **** is this and we have to take care of our own— he’s not going to reach many people. He’s going to ALIENATE his message with underlying racist tone. If he said “ look people we all have to get together and work to remove gun violence from our communities” than he’d have more ears.
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8/27/2020  9:38 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes
Where were you two weeks ago when tgis little boy got **** directky in the face. A crime perhaps 1000x more ruthless than this 1?
https://toofab.com/2020/08/13/five-year-old-cannon-hinnant-shot-dead-cycling-in-neighbors-yard/

Why don’t the bucks talk about gun violence? Why don’t the bucks put a value for n a 5 year old riding his little bike? I think if these athletes took a stronger overall look into gun violence. ANY violence whether from a police officer or regular citizen.

I’ll give u a reality— While I’m personally appalled and shocked once again with a police officer using what I personally deem as excessive force— I mean tgis is a form of attempted murder in my book— it still is going y to o be looked at in different scopes k owing there was a knife abd knowing the man did not adhere to police direction. The victim himself could’ve deescalated. 7 bullets is cut and dry wrong but there are other things leading up to this that could’ve been avoided on both sides.
But the little kid who was riding his bike simply got a gun stuck in his face and had his head blown off while his 7-8 yo siblings watched.I did not hear LeBron tweet about that one. And lastly I think the use of the phrase”one of our own” is adherently racist. This is a police compliant issue and everyone despite creed or color need to get on the same page.

There isn't a history or trend of cases to go on that matches the circumstances of Cannon Hinnant to make this comparable. The person who did so was also captured, and will be charged to the full extent of the law. Protest work towards people or entities that rely on credibility for their image/income. There is no protest that is going to reach a person like the person that shot Cannon Hinnant in the head. Which is why that talking point brought up is more ignorance trying to get filtered into real conversation.

Taking a "stronger look into gun violence or any violence" goes hand in hand with attempting re-allocate funds towards social programs and education aka "Defund the police". Looking to build stronger more educated communities which in turn will reduce violent crime and gun violence. Because its targeting the root and not only criminalizing people after the fact which is a business in itself. The voting campaign that has been established as well has those same principals in mind. The overall effect will attack gun violence and violence in general.

In the 90s the media was big on capturing any black person that committed a crime. This has not lead to reduced crime rates and violence due to "awareness".

I’m not talking about race New York — I’m talking strictly gun violence— gun violence doesn’t just occur by police — in fact that is a very low %. The protest should be about gun violence in general. These are gun crimes whether it was Jacob the little boy— almost all these incidents are predicated on gun violence. Gun violence is an equal opportunity circumstance— it’s not white black or yellow— it’s it’s own evil mechanism.

You say this, yet these talking points your bringing up have been routinely weaponized to target a specific race. And your smart enough to know this.

There is clearly something wrong with a person that would shoot a 5 yr old kid in the head. This may be more of a mental health issue than a gun violence issue. But again black people are left out when it comes to those conversations.

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8/27/2020  9:39 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

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8/27/2020  9:41 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes
Where were you two weeks ago when tgis little boy got **** directky in the face. A crime perhaps 1000x more ruthless than this 1?
https://toofab.com/2020/08/13/five-year-old-cannon-hinnant-shot-dead-cycling-in-neighbors-yard/

Why don’t the bucks talk about gun violence? Why don’t the bucks put a value for n a 5 year old riding his little bike? I think if these athletes took a stronger overall look into gun violence. ANY violence whether from a police officer or regular citizen.

I’ll give u a reality— While I’m personally appalled and shocked once again with a police officer using what I personally deem as excessive force— I mean tgis is a form of attempted murder in my book— it still is going y to o be looked at in different scopes k owing there was a knife abd knowing the man did not adhere to police direction. The victim himself could’ve deescalated. 7 bullets is cut and dry wrong but there are other things leading up to this that could’ve been avoided on both sides.
But the little kid who was riding his bike simply got a gun stuck in his face and had his head blown off while his 7-8 yo siblings watched.I did not hear LeBron tweet about that one. And lastly I think the use of the phrase”one of our own” is adherently racist. This is a police compliant issue and everyone despite creed or color need to get on the same page.

There isn't a history or trend of cases to go on that matches the circumstances of Cannon Hinnant to make this comparable. The person who did so was also captured, and will be charged to the full extent of the law. Protest work towards people or entities that rely on credibility for their image/income. There is no protest that is going to reach a person like the person that shot Cannon Hinnant in the head. Which is why that talking point brought up is more ignorance trying to get filtered into real conversation.

Taking a "stronger look into gun violence or any violence" goes hand in hand with attempting re-allocate funds towards social programs and education aka "Defund the police". Looking to build stronger more educated communities which in turn will reduce violent crime and gun violence. Because its targeting the root and not only criminalizing people after the fact which is a business in itself. The voting campaign that has been established as well has those same principals in mind. The overall effect will attack gun violence and violence in general.

In the 90s the media was big on capturing any black person that committed a crime. This has not lead to reduced crime rates and violence due to "awareness".

I’m not talking about race New York — I’m talking strictly gun violence— gun violence doesn’t just occur by police — in fact that is a very low %. The protest should be about gun violence in general. These are gun crimes whether it was Jacob the little boy— almost all these incidents are predicated on gun violence. Gun violence is an equal opportunity circumstance— it’s not white black or yellow— it’s it’s own evil mechanism.

You say this, yet these talking points your bringing up have been routinely weaponized to target a specific race. And your smart enough to know this.

There is clearly something wrong with a person that would shoot a 5 yr old kid in the head. This may be more of a mental health issue than a gun violence issue. But again black people are left out when it comes to those conversations.

You’re mixing race and guns — you are. All of these problems are predicated on guns. Period. Take race out. Focus on guns.

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8/27/2020  9:44 AM
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newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead of Breonna? Honestly

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8/27/2020  9:49 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  9:51 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

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8/27/2020  10:08 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

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8/27/2020  10:12 AM
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knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ?

these are young black men that feel helpless. they are trying to figure out a way to make an impact. millions marching hasn't done anything yet. what do you do when you feel helpless? maybe they figure if you start impacting rich white folks dollars, it may carry weight. and to their credit, it will hurt their pocket books too.

the US just needs more sports to follow suits - like college football or the NFL - sports where white folks will be impacted more - especially in the midwest and south. then you may see progress.

Some of the people looting and killing could have been home or somewhere watching a Playoff game..

Your work stoppage contributes to others losing income not just the billionaire boys club..

There's better options to get your point across, IMO it's a passive approach to an aggressive problem. I could understand the Bucks doing it on the strength of the CITY, but really, you think they will change the laws next wk because the NBA players wont play..

ES
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8/27/2020  10:16 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  10:27 AM
Back in the day when the buses stoped running because black Americans did not come to work they sacrificed their paycheck and a city could not effective work. Civil disobedience works. Colonial India shut down British rule. They were the majority. Black American is not.
Protest without sacrifice is not effective.
White america blames black protesters for destroying property. White america is to blame for allowing inequity and is to blame for the symptoms. But that’s not how we take it.
White america won’t be hurt with no basketball. Players asking the owners to do more? Specifically what?
Racist American is not an NBA fan. They will say “I don’t care about the NBA, I like College ball”. OK, then they have to now sit it out.
For this to have legs NFL needs to take this on. COllege football has to take this on. Highschools have to take this on. Now its on the community level and thats where it gets really ugly. White players will look at the minority black players with disdain. Communities will divide. Then its ugly.

The issue is “Not playing basketball to change racial injustice” but end racism. You can’t. Legislating morality is not the issue either. Its upholding the constitution at every level.
Triple brings up a good point that Blake or Floyd are not Rosa Parks. The white narrative again will tilt to “Well why didn’t he just comply?”
Don’t “defund the Police”. Fund accountability.

I stand in support to end racism. I stand to explain to my whites friends that we don’t understand the emotion that comes with being black in American because we are not black in America. We don’t understand the rage derived from oppression because we have never FELT IT. I won’t be critical of those who have been. I never tall anyone they are wrong to protest.

What has made America great is how it dealt with adversity. It usually binds us. Not this time. We are being divided.
If we don’t vote how did we handle this? America put Trump in office. He does not represent all of us but he won the electoral college. The vote was close enough for him to win.
Chis Paul I think I read finally got all his teammates to register to vote. Tweets are words, actions matter.
I don’t know where this goes but video cams on all all police is a must. It starts with accountability!

Pro sports are entertainment. Its not sacrifice. If a player can’t stomach playing in this environment I can respect it. But where does it go? That will tell the story.

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8/27/2020  10:39 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  10:40 AM
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

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8/27/2020  10:47 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Briggs, its about racial injustice. Not the violence itself. Can’t have anyone shooting unarmed civilians by those attempting to make a citizens arrest. Then seemingly doe little to prosecute. Travon Martin was not about the act bu the law itself.
You can rant about Black on Black violence but thats a different issue. This is about accountability.
Yes all lives matter but anyone shoots a cop you damn can be sure all efforts are made for justice. When cop shoots a civilian and there is no cam video then the cop gets the benefit of the doubt.
When a white women cries “Rape” is it the same if the accused is white or black?
Racism is real and that’s not the issue, its racial injustice. Thats what the kneeling is for.

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8/27/2020  10:57 AM
Nalod wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Briggs, its about racial injustice. Not the violence itself. Can’t have anyone shooting unarmed civilians by those attempting to make a citizens arrest. Then seemingly doe little to prosecute. Travon Martin was not about the act bu the law itself.
You can rant about Black on Black violence but thats a different issue. This is about accountability.
Yes all lives matter but anyone shoots a cop you damn can be sure all efforts are made for justice. When cop shoots a civilian and there is no cam video then the cop gets the benefit of the doubt.
When a white women cries “Rape” is it the same if the accused is white or black?
Racism is real and that’s not the issue, its racial injustice. Thats what the kneeling is for.

Take away guns and have solid police reform. Great things will happen to society. I’m on the same team to whoever wants a peaceful society. I’m against guns I believe they should only be used by the military to protect the us police special forces and in home security. No one not even a cop should walk around out of their residence with a gun. Without guns you would not hear of racial injustice.

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8/27/2020  11:03 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  11:04 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Black lives matter is not in contrast to All lives matter....Black lives matter is simply stating that Black Lives Matter TOO. And to say that the protest should only focus on guns is ignorant and it is as if you are saying systemic racism doesn't exist in this country. Removing guns from the equation is not going to fix racial inequality, its not going to spark criminal justice reform, its not going to end systemic racism, its not going to end police brutality, its not going to fix the unequal and broken educational system, its not going to remove hatred from the heart of an ignorant racist.

Briggs, saying that you are right, shows that you are not open to opposing ideas and shows a closed-mindedness and ignorance...Listen.

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8/27/2020  11:07 AM
Nalod wrote:Back in the day when the buses stoped running because black Americans did not come to work they sacrificed their paycheck and a city could not effective work. Civil disobedience works. Colonial India shut down British rule. They were the majority. Black American is not.
Protest without sacrifice is not effective.
White america blames black protesters for destroying property. White america is to blame for allowing inequity and is to blame for the symptoms. But that’s not how we take it.
White america won’t be hurt with no basketball. Players asking the owners to do more? Specifically what?
Racist American is not an NBA fan. They will say “I don’t care about the NBA, I like College ball”. OK, then they have to now sit it out.
For this to have legs NFL needs to take this on. COllege football has to take this on. Highschools have to take this on. Now its on the community level and thats where it gets really ugly. White players will look at the minority black players with disdain. Communities will divide. Then its ugly.

The issue is “Not playing basketball to change racial injustice” but end racism. You can’t. Legislating morality is not the issue either. Its upholding the constitution at every level.
Triple brings up a good point that Blake or Floyd are not Rosa Parks. The white narrative again will tilt to “Well why didn’t he just comply?”
Don’t “defund the Police”. Fund accountability.

I stand in support to end racism. I stand to explain to my whites friends that we don’t understand the emotion that comes with being black in American because we are not black in America. We don’t understand the rage derived from oppression because we have never FELT IT. I won’t be critical of those who have been. I never tall anyone they are wrong to protest.

What has made America great is how it dealt with adversity. It usually binds us. Not this time. We are being divided.
If we don’t vote how did we handle this? America put Trump in office. He does not represent all of us but he won the electoral college. The vote was close enough for him to win.
Chis Paul I think I read finally got all his teammates to register to vote. Tweets are words, actions matter.
I don’t know where this goes but video cams on all all police is a must. It starts with accountability!

Pro sports are entertainment. Its not sacrifice. If a player can’t stomach playing in this environment I can respect it. But where does it go? That will tell the story.

They don't need to be. People in positions of power taking advantage the poor and those who don't have a voice is also at play. This is the precedent that people are attempting to change. Not to mention police can have multiple complaints against them themselves piled up over the years, get fired from one department, work in another no problem some even holding sexual assault charges.

The bus company that Rosa Parks along with MLK boycotted. Their clientele was like 75% black or something to that degree. When they boycotted that company obviously lost tons of revenue. The owner or owners of the company was so upset and shook. He was able to get the government to create a law preventing any person from influencing others to negatively effect a business. Which lead to MLK getting arrested. The notion that a companies clientele was 75% black yet treated blacks as less than. You are just asking for those results.

But back to the topic. NBA players did this because everyone will remember the day that the NBA canceled its playoffs in protest of racial injustice. When Kap knelt it was sparked by his outrage over the shooting of Mario Woods. And during this time, Sandra Bland, Philando Castile, Mike Brown among others were all murdered by the police. Nobody has really spoke about those names when it comes to Kap. Blake's name will also become somewhat of an afterthought in the grand scheme of things. But again everyone will remember when NBA boycotted a playoff game or season.

https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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8/27/2020  11:08 AM
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.


I agree with your sentiment. There needs to be stronger legislation on gun control. That doesn't mean that there isn't an issue with police accountability. It was guns this time. What about the times that involved ketamine or improper use of physical force or the use of nonlethal weapons? Yes, all lives matter. Unfortunately that's used as a code by many people (not saying you) to say the issue should be ignored altogether. The Daniel Shaver incident, an incident involving a white man, is probably one of the most haunting incidents cop executions I've seen. I'm pretty sure racism wasn't even involved in that killing. I'm glad you've picked up on the general issue of guns in America. Maybe you will also turn your focus on the systematic inequalities that continue in educational and economic opportunities. Inequalities that affect all races, although certain forces in this country want you to believe otherwise. But let me ask you, would this system breakdowns have even occured to you if these protests weren't happening? And maybe that's the point.
Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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8/27/2020  11:18 AM    LAST EDITED: 8/27/2020  11:22 AM
Uptown wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor?

Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence.

That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead


Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right

I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either.

But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident.

One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day.

But guns were involved” You are answering your own question???????

Here is your bigger answer
Protests should not center on any race BUT rather gun control/ removal and police reform.You cant leave other folks out of the equation. Black folks are not the only people who are terrorized by gun violence and death. They are not the only people victimized by police. It’s a societal issue— no one should be left out.ALL lives matter — take it seriously into account either we’re on the same team or were not. I want the same thing as you— a peaceful society.

Black lives matter is not in contrast to All lives matter....Black lives matter is simply stating that Black Lives Matter TOO. And to say that the protest should only focus on guns is ignorant and it is as if you are saying systemic racism doesn't exist in this country. Removing guns from the equation is not going to fix racial inequality, its not going to spark criminal justice reform, its not going to end systemic racism, its not going to end police brutality, its not going to fix the unequal and broken educational system, its not going to remove hatred from the heart of an ignorant racist.

Briggs, saying that you are right, shows that you are not open to opposing ideas and shows a closed-mindedness and ignorance...Listen.

I think taking guns out of society and working on strong police reform will do wonders for racial equality injustice. If we cut down sharply on violence as a society— many of these instances we here/see won’t happen. Other injustices you see will flatten out. Why not focus on 1-2 really important issues—because I bet if we do there will be a major snowball effect. And yes I think I am right about guns and how it effects society at large. I’m right with anybody else who believes in police reform. A more peaceful less violent society will free up other injustices.
I’m on the same team as anyone who wants a free fair peaceful society for all people. I think it really needs to start with those two issues. I’m a friend to anyone in my own life. I believe in friendship and getting along in peace.

RIP Crushalot😞
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