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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes I’m not talking about race New York — I’m talking strictly gun violence— gun violence doesn’t just occur by police — in fact that is a very low %. The protest should be about gun violence in general. These are gun crimes whether it was Jacob the little boy— almost all these incidents are predicated on gun violence. Gun violence is an equal opportunity circumstance— it’s not white black or yellow— it’s it’s own evil mechanism. RIP Crushalot😞
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Uptown
Posts: 31348 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes Very well said!!!! |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
So when LeBron James posts out what the **** is this and we have to take care of our own— he’s not going to reach many people. He’s going to ALIENATE his message with underlying racist tone. If he said “ look people we all have to get together and work to remove gun violence from our communities” than he’d have more ears.
RIP Crushalot😞
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30190 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes You say this, yet these talking points your bringing up have been routinely weaponized to target a specific race. And your smart enough to know this. There is clearly something wrong with a person that would shoot a 5 yr old kid in the head. This may be more of a mental health issue than a gun violence issue. But again black people are left out when it comes to those conversations. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? Newyork. It’s the same scenario — it’s gun violence. RIP Crushalot😞
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:There are gonna be people who say to these athletes You’re mixing race and guns — you are. All of these problems are predicated on guns. Period. Take race out. Focus on guns. RIP Crushalot😞
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30190 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? That doesn't answer the question. What do you think would have been the outcome/results(Not what you FEEL SHOULD HAPPEN, but the ACTUAL results) if it was Cannon instead of Breonna? Honestly https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? Again take the guns out of the picture and you’re not even asking this question — take the guns out newyork. That’s my answer and I’m right I personally feel the entire police community it’s whole system needs change. I felt that for 25 years. But a bigger more important issue is the amount and accessibility to guns. We need many less guns in our society— I mean to the point police don’t have them either. RIP Crushalot😞
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30190 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? But guns were involved, and these are the circumstances. You are purposely avoiding the obvious answer to the current circumstances because you know that the results would be different. You are also very aware of why the results would be different. Taking away the guns doesn't address the fact that there would be 2 different outcomes for the same incident. One that would produce actual results, and one that is just another day. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
djsunyc wrote:knicks1248 wrote:what does this accomplish ? Some of the people looting and killing could have been home or somewhere watching a Playoff game.. Your work stoppage contributes to others losing income not just the billionaire boys club.. There's better options to get your point across, IMO it's a passive approach to an aggressive problem. I could understand the Bucks doing it on the strength of the CITY, but really, you think they will change the laws next wk because the NBA players wont play.. ES
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Nalod
Posts: 71539 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
Back in the day when the buses stoped running because black Americans did not come to work they sacrificed their paycheck and a city could not effective work. Civil disobedience works. Colonial India shut down British rule. They were the majority. Black American is not.
Protest without sacrifice is not effective. White america blames black protesters for destroying property. White america is to blame for allowing inequity and is to blame for the symptoms. But that’s not how we take it. White america won’t be hurt with no basketball. Players asking the owners to do more? Specifically what? Racist American is not an NBA fan. They will say “I don’t care about the NBA, I like College ball”. OK, then they have to now sit it out. For this to have legs NFL needs to take this on. COllege football has to take this on. Highschools have to take this on. Now its on the community level and thats where it gets really ugly. White players will look at the minority black players with disdain. Communities will divide. Then its ugly. The issue is “Not playing basketball to change racial injustice” but end racism. You can’t. Legislating morality is not the issue either. Its upholding the constitution at every level. I stand in support to end racism. I stand to explain to my whites friends that we don’t understand the emotion that comes with being black in American because we are not black in America. We don’t understand the rage derived from oppression because we have never FELT IT. I won’t be critical of those who have been. I never tall anyone they are wrong to protest. What has made America great is how it dealt with adversity. It usually binds us. Not this time. We are being divided. Pro sports are entertainment. Its not sacrifice. If a player can’t stomach playing in this environment I can respect it. But where does it go? That will tell the story. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? But guns were involved” You are answering your own question??????? Here is your bigger answer RIP Crushalot😞
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Nalod
Posts: 71539 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? Briggs, its about racial injustice. Not the violence itself. Can’t have anyone shooting unarmed civilians by those attempting to make a citizens arrest. Then seemingly doe little to prosecute. Travon Martin was not about the act bu the law itself. |
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
Nalod wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? Take away guns and have solid police reform. Great things will happen to society. I’m on the same team to whoever wants a peaceful society. I’m against guns I believe they should only be used by the military to protect the us police special forces and in home security. No one not even a cop should walk around out of their residence with a gun. Without guns you would not hear of racial injustice. RIP Crushalot😞
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Uptown
Posts: 31348 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? Black lives matter is not in contrast to All lives matter....Black lives matter is simply stating that Black Lives Matter TOO. And to say that the protest should only focus on guns is ignorant and it is as if you are saying systemic racism doesn't exist in this country. Removing guns from the equation is not going to fix racial inequality, its not going to spark criminal justice reform, its not going to end systemic racism, its not going to end police brutality, its not going to fix the unequal and broken educational system, its not going to remove hatred from the heart of an ignorant racist. Briggs, saying that you are right, shows that you are not open to opposing ideas and shows a closed-mindedness and ignorance...Listen. |
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newyorknewyork
Posts: 30190 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 1/16/2004 Member: #541 |
Nalod wrote:Back in the day when the buses stoped running because black Americans did not come to work they sacrificed their paycheck and a city could not effective work. Civil disobedience works. Colonial India shut down British rule. They were the majority. Black American is not. They don't need to be. People in positions of power taking advantage the poor and those who don't have a voice is also at play. This is the precedent that people are attempting to change. Not to mention police can have multiple complaints against them themselves piled up over the years, get fired from one department, work in another no problem some even holding sexual assault charges. The bus company that Rosa Parks along with MLK boycotted. Their clientele was like 75% black or something to that degree. When they boycotted that company obviously lost tons of revenue. The owner or owners of the company was so upset and shook. He was able to get the government to create a law preventing any person from influencing others to negatively effect a business. Which lead to MLK getting arrested. The notion that a companies clientele was 75% black yet treated blacks as less than. You are just asking for those results. But back to the topic. NBA players did this because everyone will remember the day that the NBA canceled its playoffs in protest of racial injustice. When Kap knelt it was sparked by his outrage over the shooting of Mario Woods. And during this time, Sandra Bland, Philando Castile, Mike Brown among others were all murdered by the police. Nobody has really spoke about those names when it comes to Kap. Blake's name will also become somewhat of an afterthought in the grand scheme of things. But again everyone will remember when NBA boycotted a playoff game or season. https://vote.nba.com/en Vote for your Knicks.
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 40016 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? I agree with your sentiment. There needs to be stronger legislation on gun control. That doesn't mean that there isn't an issue with police accountability. It was guns this time. What about the times that involved ketamine or improper use of physical force or the use of nonlethal weapons? Yes, all lives matter. Unfortunately that's used as a code by many people (not saying you) to say the issue should be ignored altogether. The Daniel Shaver incident, an incident involving a white man, is probably one of the most haunting incidents cop executions I've seen. I'm pretty sure racism wasn't even involved in that killing. I'm glad you've picked up on the general issue of guns in America. Maybe you will also turn your focus on the systematic inequalities that continue in educational and economic opportunities. Inequalities that affect all races, although certain forces in this country want you to believe otherwise. But let me ask you, would this system breakdowns have even occured to you if these protests weren't happening? And maybe that's the point. Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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BRIGGS
Posts: 53275 Alba Posts: 7 Joined: 7/30/2002 Member: #303 |
Uptown wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:BRIGGS wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:Let me ask you though Briggs, If instead of Breonna Taylor. Say police ended up going into the wrong apartment with a no knock warrant and ended shooting a 5 yr old like Cannon instead. What do you think the outcome would be today in terms of accountability in comparison to the outcome so far with Taylor? I think taking guns out of society and working on strong police reform will do wonders for racial equality injustice. If we cut down sharply on violence as a society— many of these instances we here/see won’t happen. Other injustices you see will flatten out. Why not focus on 1-2 really important issues—because I bet if we do there will be a major snowball effect. And yes I think I am right about guns and how it effects society at large. I’m right with anybody else who believes in police reform. A more peaceful less violent society will free up other injustices. RIP Crushalot😞
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