1. Thibs wants A different parking spot.........
2. Is ok with the coaches office decor but wants private bath remodeled.
3. Atkinson had dirt on Thibs.......
4. World Wide Wes has it all mapped out.
5. Triple Threat has it all mapped out.
6. The Rainman1248 uses a Garmin. Can't tell you where he going but where he been.
7. Briggs realism is keeping it real.
8, Martins knicks news feed is woefully behind.
9. Jason Kidd wants a chauffeured limo.
10. Dolan wants Kidd to be his new drinking buddy.
11. Thibs might have Rockets job lined up. Can sleep on JVG couch.
12. Thibs might be in line for 76ers gig.
13. Neither of these guys want to be assistants unless the market for them is dry. Atkinson is getting paid as has Thibs.

houston20 wrote:I would be shocked if thibs isn't the coach i think second interview with kenny is due diligence that's all . Knicks still have lot of time to name a coach before the draft in august plus the season probably going to be push backed again until late decememeber or january depending on covid situation.

COVID-19 is going to change the interview process somewhat.

Professional sports is moving away from the classic day long interview format. Some situations require it ( NFL coaches when the playoffs are running) but it's seen as too taxing for both sides of the table.

Both Thibs and Atkinson are good coaches. I'd say, right now, Atkinson is a top 5 coach in the NBA. He got caught between two sides he couldn't control and had no alternatives in front of him.

The Knicks should have never let him go the first time.

He'd do better in the college game, in so much as every top level NBA coach would simply do better in the college game. I remember some musician was in a relationship with Carmen Electra in her prime, and he talked about how exhausting it was to deal with all the **** that came with that. It's interesting to watch these players, but imagine having to live, sleep, work, train and socialize all the time with a ****wit like Kyrie Irving. It's cool to see Carmen Electra struggle out of a bikini for you, but try living with her, cooking with her, driving her to the airport, doing laundry with her, the point being a fun NBA to watch can also be a total ******* if you essentially have to become a surrogate family with them. NBA players have too much individual power in their sport to the detriment of the game itself.

Chandler wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

houston20 wrote:I would be shocked if thibs isn't the coach i think second interview with kenny is due diligence that's all . Knicks still have lot of time to name a coach before the draft in august plus the season probably going to be push backed again until late decememeber or january depending on covid situation.

COVID-19 is going to change the interview process somewhat.

Professional sports is moving away from the classic day long interview format. Some situations require it ( NFL coaches when the playoffs are running) but it's seen as too taxing for both sides of the table.

Both Thibs and Atkinson are good coaches. I'd say, right now, Atkinson is a top 5 coach in the NBA. He got caught between two sides he couldn't control and had no alternatives in front of him.

The Knicks should have never let him go the first time.

He'd do better in the college game, in so much as every top level NBA coach would simply do better in the college game. I remember some musician was in a relationship with Carmen Electra in her prime, and he talked about how exhausting it was to deal with all the **** that came with that. It's interesting to watch these players, but imagine having to live, sleep, work, train and socialize all the time with a ****wit like Kyrie Irving. It's cool to see Carmen Electra struggle out of a bikini for you, but try living with her, cooking with her, driving her to the airport, doing laundry with her, the point being a fun NBA to watch can also be a total ******* if you essentially have to become a surrogate family with them. NBA players have too much individual power in their sport to the detriment of the game itself.

there's a lot to like about Kenny. Having said that, I am not a fan of his offense. And i have flashbacks (in an opposite sort of way) to Mike Fratello. quasi-gimmicky schemes (in Fratellos case slowing down the game uncomfortably) that is reliably good against a lot of teams, but too gimmicky to beat the real quality teams. Kenny gets high marks for NY roots, player development!, and at least the non-superstar buy in.

We were truly fools for letting Bug go to Bucks

What's the context? Gimmicky to beat the real quality teams? Did Kenny have the same talent as the quality teams so he didn't have to resort to gimmicks?

The team he took over was 20-60 range. His first year he had Brook Lopez and... and not much and had same record. Brook Lopez, for context, is like the 4th or 5th best starter on a quality team.

In 2 years Kenny's team is .500 and around 6th seed in East? With Russell and some developed castoffs? GSW didn't do much with Russell and I'm not sure any other team has either?

I don't know about coaching but I gotta guess you can only coach as well as your talent is plentiful, and if you don't got much talent, you rely on gimmicks.

Glass half full: He did a tremendous job at getting a bunch of castoff talent to a better than .500 record and into the playoffs in a weak East conference. He also took some players like Harris, Russell, Dinwiddie, LeVert, Hollis-Jefferson and got the best out of them.

Nalod wrote:Kenny got them good enough to sign two top FA’s!
Success first and foremmost need to go to Marks as GM. He negotiated a process and to be left alone to dig out from the idiocy created by the Russian and Billy King.
I have no issue at all if we hire him. Damn good job he has done!!!
My outliers are Woodson and Kidd and all I can say is “knicks did their homework and had to have a good reason for those hires.....”On the outside looking in is way too easy!

I missed the best point

NYKBocker wrote:Kenny Atkinson body of work has been great. He would be a great addition to any staff. However, I think he gets a HC job this year. As of right now, there are 3 HC openings and a very possible 4th. NY, Brooklyn, Chicago and Houston. I think he gets the Chicago job.

Looks like Chicago are keeping their coach as the owner doesn’t want to pay 2 coaches salaries at once. Houston are likely to go for a veterans coach, maybe someone like JVG. That just leaves us. He gets to stay home and get paid for this year while he waits vacancies next offseason.

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Kenny Atkinson body of work has been great. He would be a great addition to any staff. However, I think he gets a HC job this year. As of right now, there are 3 HC openings and a very possible 4th. NY, Brooklyn, Chicago and Houston. I think he gets the Chicago job.

Great from afar, but just listening to die hard Nets fans, some of the players that played under him, and the journalist that cover the nets, he is only solid in a few areas of head coaching. His rotations were question by almost everyone, his in game adjustments, and "Woodson" like offense that got stale real fast.

KD and Irving's biggest issue was that he wasn't a championship coach, thats coming from 2 players who Have won championships and was watching the NETS from AFAR, just like most of you who don't watch the games all that much.

Even DLO who thrived under him took some cheap shots at him (regarding his offense and rotation) once he departed

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Kenny Atkinson body of work has been great. He would be a great addition to any staff. However, I think he gets a HC job this year. As of right now, there are 3 HC openings and a very possible 4th. NY, Brooklyn, Chicago and Houston. I think he gets the Chicago job.

Great from afar, but just listening to die hard Nets fans, some of the players that played under him, and the journalist that cover the nets, he is only solid in a few areas of head coaching. His rotations were question by almost everyone, his in game adjustments, and "Woodson" like offense that got stale real fast.

KD and Irving's biggest issue was that he wasn't a championship coach, thats coming from 2 players who Have won championships and was watching the NETS from AFAR, just like most of you who don't watch the games all that much.

Even DLO who thrived under him took some cheap shots at him (regarding his offense and rotation) once he departed

Atkinson developed Russell's game and raised his stock enough to be worthy of a sign and trade for Kevin Durant. The Warriors weren't going to take on a guy who had absolutely zero value in a sign and trade. Without Atkinson, the Nets NEVER get Kevin Durant.

Those Nets teams played way over their heads. Sure some people are going to bitch to the press without saying their real names, guys who are seeing their minutes cut. And guys getting minutes are going to praise a coach. That's pretty much everywhere.

Atkinson took those teams about as far as the talent would let them go. And let's not pretend he had a true opportunity with Irving and Durant on the actual roster with their injuries.

It's pretty standard fare, outgoing coach gets **** on in the press to deflect away from heavy hitter players who have big shoe contracts.

Atkinson is a top 5 coach, the Nets ****ed up big here. "He's too hard on me! He's not someone that can RELATE to the modern player!"

Please, these dudes need to shut the **** up.

You know how you get better in anything in life - You need to get comfortable with being uncomfortable. That's how you grow. That's how you deal with challenges.

You know up and coming coaches in basketball, they don't hope to be the next Phil Jackson, they hope to be the next Coach K. At Duke, he's a living god, he can do what he wants, he can say what he wants, he can run his team as he pleases, he can control his own destiny there. Do you think they want to be next in line like Thibs who are going to get **** all season long because he wants Towns to actually rotate when he's supposed to on the court?

People wonder why the NBA is stuck with leftovers like Mike Woodson over and over again. It's because guys like Kenny Atkinson have no mechanisms to actually succeed long term in this league.

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

Chandler wrote:

TripleThreat wrote:

houston20 wrote:I would be shocked if thibs isn't the coach i think second interview with kenny is due diligence that's all . Knicks still have lot of time to name a coach before the draft in august plus the season probably going to be push backed again until late decememeber or january depending on covid situation.

COVID-19 is going to change the interview process somewhat.

Professional sports is moving away from the classic day long interview format. Some situations require it ( NFL coaches when the playoffs are running) but it's seen as too taxing for both sides of the table.

Both Thibs and Atkinson are good coaches. I'd say, right now, Atkinson is a top 5 coach in the NBA. He got caught between two sides he couldn't control and had no alternatives in front of him.

The Knicks should have never let him go the first time.

He'd do better in the college game, in so much as every top level NBA coach would simply do better in the college game. I remember some musician was in a relationship with Carmen Electra in her prime, and he talked about how exhausting it was to deal with all the **** that came with that. It's interesting to watch these players, but imagine having to live, sleep, work, train and socialize all the time with a ****wit like Kyrie Irving. It's cool to see Carmen Electra struggle out of a bikini for you, but try living with her, cooking with her, driving her to the airport, doing laundry with her, the point being a fun NBA to watch can also be a total ******* if you essentially have to become a surrogate family with them. NBA players have too much individual power in their sport to the detriment of the game itself.

there's a lot to like about Kenny. Having said that, I am not a fan of his offense. And i have flashbacks (in an opposite sort of way) to Mike Fratello. quasi-gimmicky schemes (in Fratellos case slowing down the game uncomfortably) that is reliably good against a lot of teams, but too gimmicky to beat the real quality teams. Kenny gets high marks for NY roots, player development!, and at least the non-superstar buy in.

We were truly fools for letting Bug go to Bucks

What's the context? Gimmicky to beat the real quality teams? Did Kenny have the same talent as the quality teams so he didn't have to resort to gimmicks?

The team he took over was 20-60 range. His first year he had Brook Lopez and... and not much and had same record. Brook Lopez, for context, is like the 4th or 5th best starter on a quality team.

In 2 years Kenny's team is .500 and around 6th seed in East? With Russell and some developed castoffs? GSW didn't do much with Russell and I'm not sure any other team has either?

I don't know about coaching but I gotta guess you can only coach as well as your talent is plentiful, and if you don't got much talent, you rely on gimmicks.

Glass half full: He did a tremendous job at getting a bunch of castoff talent to a better than .500 record and into the playoffs in a weak East conference. He also took some players like Harris, Russell, Dinwiddie, LeVert, Hollis-Jefferson and got the best out of them.

Gimmicky for Kenny: race up the court take the first open three. at a high level this is just playing the odds of expected point per possession. It works but if a quality opponent disrupts it (or if the threes aren't falling that night) there's no real plan B or diversity in his offense.

and to be clear, i think he's a good coach but worry if he has limitations. agree with all you say about development

3pt shooting was their only team strength. What else you gonna do? Maybe PnR with Allen and Jordan? And then kick it out to the 3pt shooters?

For me, knowing that KD was not going to play and having Flat Earther only available for 20 games, you prep for next year, which amounts to getting the spacing right and practicing it.

And you know what...? They were still the 7th/8th seed in the East.

EwingsGlass wrote:I feel the same about Thibs as I did about Noah. I really worry whether he still has it. Or if his skill set is a liability in this version of the NBA. His last time being relevant In this league is so far removed from now that I am not certain he is still effective.

This is completely off topic but has anything Bulls related ever gone well for us? I would have said Oakley, but even that soured and went bad for the Knicks.

EwingsGlass wrote:Jamal Crawford was solid.

1. Move JR to the 3.
2. Frank is closer than most think. He sets up the team well and is penetrating. The shot is coming along. say next level frank. Not a revelation of massive upside revealed but just a steady improvement. Put Lavine in the mix you have a potent Trio.

This is just a toss around of ideas and the price to acquire is likely higher than expected. Most likely talking our first round this year as a piece. I don’t think Bulls are looking to just dump him.