Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:I wouldnt sign anyone if it was me. They are all role players after AD/Ingram.

I would make a serious offer for Ingram as I think NO would be open to a S&T using RJ as the main piece (remember RJ and Zion are besties)

After that stay pat. Bring back Bullock and Ellington on their options. Let Portis walk. Taj and his inability to hit wide open mid range and short jumpers in the flow of the offense has killed it for me. Bullock and Ellington are good role players. Bullock I like a ton and is a real keeper IMO

Why not just be patient and develop RJ. He can do what Ingram is doing if developed properly.

It's a looooooong stretch for RJ to becoming Ingram-lite. This RJ jump shot needs a lot of improvement.

you beat me by 2 minutes and you are spot on.

I love RJ and am happy to keep him, but we are already talking about "good fits" next to him because we know the shooting is gonna be an issue (until it isnt)

We are a rebuilding team, so we should be thinking about good fits next to our best young players to help unlock their talents. Then at least we will know what we have. Ingram as a rookie shot below 30% from 3. Just last year he was shooting 33%, just like RJ. I understand the rush, but i just think we need to let a 19 year old develop. These guys can make jumps at any point. I think we all can agree RJ seems to have the work ethic and chops to succeed here.

I love RJ but his shooting is picking up where he left off. Ingram was a great shooter from 3 in college. He's back to that now. They are very different players. If RJ wasnt a great prospect he wouldnt be in the discussion for trading for Ingram who looks more and more like McGrady to me all the time.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:I wouldnt sign anyone if it was me. They are all role players after AD/Ingram.

I would make a serious offer for Ingram as I think NO would be open to a S&T using RJ as the main piece (remember RJ and Zion are besties)

After that stay pat. Bring back Bullock and Ellington on their options. Let Portis walk. Taj and his inability to hit wide open mid range and short jumpers in the flow of the offense has killed it for me. Bullock and Ellington are good role players. Bullock I like a ton and is a real keeper IMO

Why not just be patient and develop RJ. He can do what Ingram is doing if developed properly.

It's a looooooong stretch for RJ to becoming Ingram-lite. This RJ jump shot needs a lot of improvement.

you beat me by 2 minutes and you are spot on.

I love RJ and am happy to keep him, but we are already talking about "good fits" next to him because we know the shooting is gonna be an issue (until it isnt)

We are a rebuilding team, so we should be thinking about good fits next to our best young players to help unlock their talents. Then at least we will know what we have. Ingram as a rookie shot below 30% from 3. Just last year he was shooting 33%, just like RJ. I understand the rush, but i just think we need to let a 19 year old develop. These guys can make jumps at any point. I think we all can agree RJ seems to have the work ethic and chops to succeed here.

Lakers were rebuilding also. Then the got Lebron and AD. Granted Van Fleet and Ingram isnt that but its the Knicks.

I love RJ but his shooting is picking up where he left off. Ingram was a great shooter from 3 in college. He's back to that now. They are very different players. If RJ wasnt a great prospect he wouldnt be in the discussion for trading for Ingram who looks more and more like McGrady to me all the time.

I just think these two would help whatever pg we draft, Mitch, rJ and Randle and could be tradeable further down the line if needed to make way for a bigger talent.

Chandler wrote:i'm not feeling bertans or Joe though agree 100% re shooter. Would like guys who can bring more to the table, and admit to being stubborn thinking KK will wake up and shoot

Regarding being more than a shooter, joe Harris is actually a really underrated defender. He competes hard. A backcourt of Harris and Haliburton or Cole Anthony would be a huge step in the right direction.

They are going to sign AD. He maybe has no other choice, if you break it down. Whether the Lakers Win or Lose.

If the Lakers win, now he has to look at where to sign for the next 3 years at least (if he decides to go the Kawhi shorter contract route.) AD has said the Most Important thing to him is to build his Legacy. If the Lakers win he is already a champion under his belt. Now he can decide to go back to the Lakers to get some more for 3 more years of LeBrons career. But if he does that he will just be another of LeBron's sidekicks, another Robin to LeBron's Batman. This is LeBrons MO for his whole career. He goes some where, gets a superstar (or 2) sidekicks, and fill the roster with aging former all-stars hungry to get a chip before their careers end. He has a whole line of Robins. Wade (But he was already a champ before LeBron), Bosh, Kyrie (thats why he left, he didn't want to be Robin), Love, and now AD. But its always LeBrons teams, He (LeBron) builds His legacy. The other guys are always looked at as seconds (even Wade, a pre-champ.) Should he (AD) settle for always being Pippen to Jordans glory? Thats what he's signing up for if he signs for 3 years. Also they will never live up to Kobe and Shaq, so why even try. Lots of pressure too.

Now look at the Lakers chances of winning for the next few years. Like I said the Lakers are like a typical Lebron team. 2 Stars and a bunch of veterans on low short salaries. But that also comes with some draw backs. A few of LeBrons freinds end up with automatic no-trade clauses (Rondo, McGee, and Caldwell-Pope) so they are untradeable. So like this year when the Lakers wanted to get Morris. The Lakers would have to send Kuzma and 3 more minor players to add up to Morris $15 Mil. But the Knicks didn't want all the Lakers junk. So now it's Danny Green and Kuzma. Give up 2 rotation pieces for Morris? Not worth it. Draft Picks to sweeten the junk the Knicks take back? Nope, no draft picks to trade. So they couldn't pull off a trade at the deadline to add a piece they (maybe?) needed. Now AD has to see Morris across the Hall for the rest of the season. That's how a LeBron team works. Now will it be any better next year for the Lakers, roster wise? No, it won't. They have no youth, draft picks, or cap flexibility (they would again have to round out the roster with vet minimums [and someone like Dwight Howard would probably end up with a no trade clause too.]) This is what AD sees for the next 3 years. So will he bank on the Health of LeBron (and himself- if he/LeBron misses 40 games will the Lakers be out of the playoff race by the time he returns, because the roster without 2 stars is just a bunch of old guys and scrapy reserves) as the whole game plan for the next few years?

If the Lakers Lose see above about all their roster current/future issues. Will AD bank on the Lebron Win Now strategy for 3 more years? To be TRY to be LeBron's Robin? How's that gonna build his Legacy? Next chance at building his Own Legacy he will be at least 30 years old.

The only other teams with room to sign AD to a max are Atlanta and Deroit. (Atlanta looked like they have a few nice players after seeing them last night.) So they'll do their own convincing. But I don't think they stand up to the Lakers or Knicks in regards to Legacy matters. AD has seen the difference between Small Market (Pelicans) vs. Big Market (LA).

Now the New York Knicks, should they get a sitdown with AD, will first need to explain the Knicks dysfunction thru all these years. They could just show him that pic of Mills with his hand on the basketball since 2003. (I'm sure one of you will repost it, i dont know how to do that yet, i'm still new). They could just say there is a new regime in town and just convince AD that Leon Rose is the guy for the job. Convince AD that he has Dolan under control. Smile, salesman-like. "Yeah, it's OK. I know Dolan for Years. Don't worry, I know how to handle him." It's an Agents job to calm players down about whatever is troubling them. I bet Leon is an expert. I'm sure Gangsta Wes will wisper in ADs ear that Leon could be trusted to do the job. I'm sure lots of players will back that up to AD, that Leon is a good smart guy who will take care of the plan. What the Knicks did with the Leon hire was get back Instant Credibility with the players. A brilliant hire IMO. It would have taken years of a slow rebuild with a Presti, or Masai type to regain players trust.

Now look at the Knicks on paper. A few years ago they said they wanted to do a rebuild. They got a young core. RJ, Mitch, Frank, and Dotson have proved they belong on an NBA floor (bec they play defense too). At Least as rotation pieces. (RJ and Mitch have Star-power potential.) They got a handful of other young guys that still need to grow and prove themselves; DSJ and Knox, also Ignas and Wooten. Get a few more in this draft. So the Knicks have a promising young core (of at least rotation pieces) on their Rookie contracts.

So now if you're AD, and you trust Leon to run a good operation. Leon tells AD "New York Knicks fans need a Hero, greatest fans in the world starving for good. I got open cap space. There are no good free agents now but maybe Giannis next year or I'll get whoever you want. I got draft picks up the wazzo to trade." (Not Young Core players, thats how the Lakers destroyed their future by trading young players for their star(AD). See also us when we traded everybody for Melo, then had no rotation players.) So the Knicks can easily get ANY star that becomes available over the next 2 years via trade because of all our draft capital. And we don't need to brake up our core to get the star. So they'll convince AD they could get him another star to join him shortly. So now he'll be on a young team of, at least, decent core rotation pieces and 2 stars. How is that not better than what the Lakers offer? If AD succeeds in New York they will build him a statue. In LA his statue will never be there near Kobes. So what are ADs choices really this summer? He said Legacy is his main goal.
Where will he have his best shot at building his Legacy? Knicks (lets dream that the knicks start winning with AD and Dolan stays far away) or Lakers?

There are also sign and trade options but lets keep it to cap room teams. If you got here thanks for reading a long post. Go Knicks. Also looks like they might make the playoffs this year. All things trending. This Team has Heart.

smackeddog wrote:I live in fear of us trading the farm for Embiid (a rose client):

I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

"But anyways, one of the conversations people are starting to have in the league is 'will they move Embiid? What's the price? Where would he go?'

"I'm not going to get into that, but my point is people are talking about that. I don't think they would do that without making an adjustment to the head coach. It's such a radical thing, but the fact that we're in mid-February and the people who work in the league, who have to prepare in advance, are mulling over Joel Embiid potentially coming to market, whether that's true or not... I mean, Josh Harris can come on this podcast and deny it if he wants, but the fact people are talking about it, is not good. It's a symptom of where they are."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257178/Rival-Teams-Starting-To-Prepare-For-Possibility-Of-76ers-Trading-Joel-Embiid

Knicks could get lucky and win the lottery. Lets be liberal and say we win the #2 pick.

RJ+Randle+Knicks 2021 FRP for Ingram
Knicks 2020 #2 pick + Dallas FRPs, Portis, Ellington, Mitch, Knox for Embiid (I believe there is a period pre draft/FA when you can trade guys in last year's contract making a guy like Portis more valuable?)
Max out Van Fleet
your 2020-21 Knicks:
PG Van Fleet
SG Frank
SF Bullock
PF Ingram
C Embiid
Bench: Iggy/Wooten/DSJR/Kadeem Allen/etc, etc

You have Clippers pick this year, no own FRP in 2021 but back to normal after that so its not like you wipe yourself out. Thats a young, long team that can smother you on defense. Van Fleet/Bullock/Ingram are all good shooters. Frank we'll see but he's there for D.

Not saying its possible or probably but I expect something dramatic to be honest.

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I live in fear of us trading the farm for Embiid (a rose client):

I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

"But anyways, one of the conversations people are starting to have in the league is 'will they move Embiid? What's the price? Where would he go?'

"I'm not going to get into that, but my point is people are talking about that. I don't think they would do that without making an adjustment to the head coach. It's such a radical thing, but the fact that we're in mid-February and the people who work in the league, who have to prepare in advance, are mulling over Joel Embiid potentially coming to market, whether that's true or not... I mean, Josh Harris can come on this podcast and deny it if he wants, but the fact people are talking about it, is not good. It's a symptom of where they are."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257178/Rival-Teams-Starting-To-Prepare-For-Possibility-Of-76ers-Trading-Joel-Embiid

whats the farm? I expect the Knicks to be really aggressive.

Knicks could get lucky and win the lottery. Lets be liberal and say we win the #2 pick.

RJ+Randle+Knicks 2021 FRP for Ingram
Knicks 2020 #2 pick + Dallas FRPs, Portis, Ellington, Mitch, Knox for Embiid (I believe there is a period pre draft/FA when you can trade guys in last year's contract making a guy like Portis more valuable?)
Max out Van Fleet
your 2020-21 Knicks:
PG Van Fleet
SG Frank
SF Bullock
PF Ingram
C Embiid
Bench: Iggy/Wooten/DSJR/Kadeem Allen/etc, etc

You have Clippers pick this year, no own FRP in 2021 but back to normal after that so its not like you wipe yourself out. Thats a young, long team that can smother you on defense. Van Fleet/Bullock/Ingram are all good shooters. Frank we'll see but he's there for D.

Not saying its possible or probably but I expect something dramatic to be honest.

hmmm nice

not a fan of the Ingram move. I'm glad he's playing well now. It took him a few years to look like someone closely resembling his draft slot.

Now if we afford the same patience to Frank and KK (each drafted subsequently, and each like Ingram were teenagers at the time, we can have something going

being patient sucks

GT2AM wrote:Hello, I'm new here. To responses, but I've been reading you guys for a few months. I like this chat.

They are going to sign AD. He maybe has no other choice, if you break it down. Whether the Lakers Win or Lose.

If the Lakers win, now he has to look at where to sign for the next 3 years at least (if he decides to go the Kawhi shorter contract route.) AD has said the Most Important thing to him is to build his Legacy. If the Lakers win he is already a champion under his belt. Now he can decide to go back to the Lakers to get some more for 3 more years of LeBrons career. But if he does that he will just be another of LeBron's sidekicks, another Robin to LeBron's Batman. This is LeBrons MO for his whole career. He goes some where, gets a superstar (or 2) sidekicks, and fill the roster with aging former all-stars hungry to get a chip before their careers end. He has a whole line of Robins. Wade (But he was already a champ before LeBron), Bosh, Kyrie (thats why he left, he didn't want to be Robin), Love, and now AD. But its always LeBrons teams, He (LeBron) builds His legacy. The other guys are always looked at as seconds (even Wade, a pre-champ.) Should he (AD) settle for always being Pippen to Jordans glory? Thats what he's signing up for if he signs for 3 years. Also they will never live up to Kobe and Shaq, so why even try. Lots of pressure too.

Now look at the Lakers chances of winning for the next few years. Like I said the Lakers are like a typical Lebron team. 2 Stars and a bunch of veterans on low short salaries. But that also comes with some draw backs. A few of LeBrons freinds end up with automatic no-trade clauses (Rondo, McGee, and Caldwell-Pope) so they are untradeable. So like this year when the Lakers wanted to get Morris. The Lakers would have to send Kuzma and 3 more minor players to add up to Morris $15 Mil. But the Knicks didn't want all the Lakers junk. So now it's Danny Green and Kuzma. Give up 2 rotation pieces for Morris? Not worth it. Draft Picks to sweeten the junk the Knicks take back? Nope, no draft picks to trade. So they couldn't pull off a trade at the deadline to add a piece they (maybe?) needed. Now AD has to see Morris across the Hall for the rest of the season. That's how a LeBron team works. Now will it be any better next year for the Lakers, roster wise? No, it won't. They have no youth, draft picks, or cap flexibility (they would again have to round out the roster with vet minimums [and someone like Dwight Howard would probably end up with a no trade clause too.]) This is what AD sees for the next 3 years. So will he bank on the Health of LeBron (and himself- if he/LeBron misses 40 games will the Lakers be out of the playoff race by the time he returns, because the roster without 2 stars is just a bunch of old guys and scrapy reserves) as the whole game plan for the next few years?

If the Lakers Lose see above about all their roster current/future issues. Will AD bank on the Lebron Win Now strategy for 3 more years? To be TRY to be LeBron's Robin? How's that gonna build his Legacy? Next chance at building his Own Legacy he will be at least 30 years old.

The only other teams with room to sign AD to a max are Atlanta and Deroit. (Atlanta looked like they have a few nice players after seeing them last night.) So they'll do their own convincing. But I don't think they stand up to the Lakers or Knicks in regards to Legacy matters. AD has seen the difference between Small Market (Pelicans) vs. Big Market (LA).

Now the New York Knicks, should they get a sitdown with AD, will first need to explain the Knicks dysfunction thru all these years. They could just show him that pic of Mills with his hand on the basketball since 2003. (I'm sure one of you will repost it, i dont know how to do that yet, i'm still new). They could just say there is a new regime in town and just convince AD that Leon Rose is the guy for the job. Convince AD that he has Dolan under control. Smile, salesman-like. "Yeah, it's OK. I know Dolan for Years. Don't worry, I know how to handle him." It's an Agents job to calm players down about whatever is troubling them. I bet Leon is an expert. I'm sure Gangsta Wes will wisper in ADs ear that Leon could be trusted to do the job. I'm sure lots of players will back that up to AD, that Leon is a good smart guy who will take care of the plan. What the Knicks did with the Leon hire was get back Instant Credibility with the players. A brilliant hire IMO. It would have taken years of a slow rebuild with a Presti, or Masai type to regain players trust.

Now look at the Knicks on paper. A few years ago they said they wanted to do a rebuild. They got a young core. RJ, Mitch, Frank, and Dotson have proved they belong on an NBA floor (bec they play defense too). At Least as rotation pieces. (RJ and Mitch have Star-power potential.) They got a handful of other young guys that still need to grow and prove themselves; DSJ and Knox, also Ignas and Wooten. Get a few more in this draft. So the Knicks have a promising young core (of at least rotation pieces) on their Rookie contracts.

So now if you're AD, and you trust Leon to run a good operation. Leon tells AD "New York Knicks fans need a Hero, greatest fans in the world starving for good. I got open cap space. There are no good free agents now but maybe Giannis next year or I'll get whoever you want. I got draft picks up the wazzo to trade." (Not Young Core players, thats how the Lakers destroyed their future by trading young players for their star(AD). See also us when we traded everybody for Melo, then had no rotation players.) So the Knicks can easily get ANY star that becomes available over the next 2 years via trade because of all our draft capital. And we don't need to brake up our core to get the star. So they'll convince AD they could get him another star to join him shortly. So now he'll be on a young team of, at least, decent core rotation pieces and 2 stars. How is that not better than what the Lakers offer? If AD succeeds in New York they will build him a statue. In LA his statue will never be there near Kobes. So what are ADs choices really this summer? He said Legacy is his main goal.
Where will he have his best shot at building his Legacy? Knicks (lets dream that the knicks start winning with AD and Dolan stays far away) or Lakers?

There are also sign and trade options but lets keep it to cap room teams. If you got here thanks for reading a long post. Go Knicks. Also looks like they might make the playoffs this year. All things trending. This Team has Heart.

I think if AD doesn't stay with the Lakers, he'll get them to do a trade to land him in Chicago- sounded very enthusiastic when talking about them, his home town team. I think all the Kobe stuff plus the success they've had this year has made it less likely he'll leave the Lakers, though.

BigDaddyG wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I live in fear of us trading the farm for Embiid (a rose client):

I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

"But anyways, one of the conversations people are starting to have in the league is 'will they move Embiid? What's the price? Where would he go?'

"I'm not going to get into that, but my point is people are talking about that. I don't think they would do that without making an adjustment to the head coach. It's such a radical thing, but the fact that we're in mid-February and the people who work in the league, who have to prepare in advance, are mulling over Joel Embiid potentially coming to market, whether that's true or not... I mean, Josh Harris can come on this podcast and deny it if he wants, but the fact people are talking about it, is not good. It's a symptom of where they are."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257178/Rival-Teams-Starting-To-Prepare-For-Possibility-Of-76ers-Trading-Joel-Embiid

whats the farm? I expect the Knicks to be really aggressive.

Knicks could get lucky and win the lottery. Lets be liberal and say we win the #2 pick.

RJ+Randle+Knicks 2021 FRP for Ingram
Knicks 2020 #2 pick + Dallas FRPs, Portis, Ellington, Mitch, Knox for Embiid (I believe there is a period pre draft/FA when you can trade guys in last year's contract making a guy like Portis more valuable?)
Max out Van Fleet
your 2020-21 Knicks:
PG Van Fleet
SG Frank
SF Bullock
PF Ingram
C Embiid
Bench: Iggy/Wooten/DSJR/Kadeem Allen/etc, etc

You have Clippers pick this year, no own FRP in 2021 but back to normal after that so its not like you wipe yourself out. Thats a young, long team that can smother you on defense. Van Fleet/Bullock/Ingram are all good shooters. Frank we'll see but he's there for D.

Not saying its possible or probably but I expect something dramatic to be honest.

Is that enough for Joel? His value is hard to figure out for me and changes every day. I would think you'd have to throw RJ in, tho. Two legit prospects and a lottery pick? Not quite the AD package, but a good return.

I don't think Embiid's value is as high as his talent level, I think his injury risk and attitude put off a lot of teams. I remember Alan Hahn talking about him as if he had some background info/gossip and he seemed pretty sure it was very unlikely he'd make it to the end of his contract (seemed more like an attitude thing than an injury risk- it was weird though how adamant he was). For me last years playoffs should have been a real turning point for him. You saw how upset he was after the loss vs the Raptors, I thought he'd really take that as a moment of growth and maturity and come back in elite condition. None of that happened. Leaves me wondering if that experience didn't mature him, nothing on the bball court will.

The problem for the 76ers is that they dished out 2 horrific contracts this offseason- Tobias Harris will be on $40mil in 4 years time! that's more than Embiid! Al Harrington iso not looking good for 4 years $27mil per. They'd have to try and move one of those contracts with Embiid, but I wouldn't want to take either of those contracts on and can't think of another team that would as part of a 3 team trade.

fishmike wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Chandler wrote:

martin wrote:

fishmike wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I live in fear of us trading the farm for Embiid (a rose client):

I've got lead executives talking to me as we go through this, hours and hours and hours that I spend on the phone in and around the deadline, even after the deadline," said Brian Windhorst on his podcast. "Some of the worst for me is the three days of debriefing calls that these guys... I'm very appreciative, I mean I do it. I was on the phone until almost midnight Pacific time after the deadline talking to people.

"But anyways, one of the conversations people are starting to have in the league is 'will they move Embiid? What's the price? Where would he go?'

"I'm not going to get into that, but my point is people are talking about that. I don't think they would do that without making an adjustment to the head coach. It's such a radical thing, but the fact that we're in mid-February and the people who work in the league, who have to prepare in advance, are mulling over Joel Embiid potentially coming to market, whether that's true or not... I mean, Josh Harris can come on this podcast and deny it if he wants, but the fact people are talking about it, is not good. It's a symptom of where they are."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/257178/Rival-Teams-Starting-To-Prepare-For-Possibility-Of-76ers-Trading-Joel-Embiid

whats the farm? I expect the Knicks to be really aggressive.

Knicks could get lucky and win the lottery. Lets be liberal and say we win the #2 pick.

RJ+Randle+Knicks 2021 FRP for Ingram
Knicks 2020 #2 pick + Dallas FRPs, Portis, Ellington, Mitch, Knox for Embiid (I believe there is a period pre draft/FA when you can trade guys in last year's contract making a guy like Portis more valuable?)
Max out Van Fleet
your 2020-21 Knicks:
PG Van Fleet
SG Frank
SF Bullock
PF Ingram
C Embiid
Bench: Iggy/Wooten/DSJR/Kadeem Allen/etc, etc

You have Clippers pick this year, no own FRP in 2021 but back to normal after that so its not like you wipe yourself out. Thats a young, long team that can smother you on defense. Van Fleet/Bullock/Ingram are all good shooters. Frank we'll see but he's there for D.

Not saying its possible or probably but I expect something dramatic to be honest.

hmmm nice

not a fan of the Ingram move. I'm glad he's playing well now. It took him a few years to look like someone closely resembling his draft slot.

Now if we afford the same patience to Frank and KK (each drafted subsequently, and each like Ingram were teenagers at the time, we can have something going

being patient sucks

Me either. I'd rather keep Barrett than make a big Ingram trade. I feel like Barrett has more leadership traits and the right personality for NYK. I think Ingram's spike wouldn't be as sustainable here. I think Barrett's mannerisms and what you need to succeed in NY gets vastly underrated. Not every player can come here and have the same impact they they did in the small market. Case in point, Ingram going from LA to NO. I don't trust that all of it was simple improvement in his game. I think some of it is changing to the right scenery for a player who seems a bit aloof at times. Need to find players who fit here and be patient in their development. Embiid is a loud-mouth but seems to at least have the chops to do it here. I'd rather move for Embiid and build around him and Barrett and surround them with shooters.

Ingram spike? He was a skinny kid when drafted, is 22 and is exploding into an NBA superstar. This doesnt look anything like a spike in production. This looks like a young player reaching his potential. Nobody *wants* to trade RJ. However he's an asset that has extra value to NOP because of his relationship w/ Zion. This takes advantage of that, plain and simple.

As for Embiid his is NOT Anthony Davis and nobody should confuse him as such. He's a fantastic defender as we know and he's great at the FT line but the every inch he moves from the basket his shooting numbers get more and more ghastly. He's a complimentary guy and at best a 2nd or 3rd scorer.

Regarding Ingram, he was shooting the same from 3pt range last year as Barrett. I don't expect his 40% to stick. His free throw shooting also was never above the high 60s and now is in the 80s. Maybe it's all sustainable, maybe not. I feel like while he's improved, there would be some regression to the mean, particularly in a place like NY. I also believe NO has performed very well with him off the floor. There are many red flags that would make me avoid dealing Barrett in a deal for him.