Chandler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

Chandler wrote:

houston20 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Chandler wrote:i keep Frank. Worst case is Frank is our flavor of Marcus Smart. Each play winning basketball but are extremely frustrating with their non-existent or inconsistent offense. I also hold out hope that Frank will find some offense

DSJ is another story. I would trade him almost as a favor to him to get him out of NY glare and back home; he is struggling mentally and mightily

Also i have to imagine things are only going to get worse because this offseason we have to be thinking of drafting or otherwise getting a pg who can actually shoot: we have 3 pg and not one can be counted on to hit an open shot -- can't make this up

Having said all of that, Monk?

this is a great compare. Somehow "believing in Frank" is being spun as "Frank is a future star."
I think Frank has elite potential as a passer. He makes his own passing lanes with those arms.
Obviously he's got elite defensive chops.
I dont think his shot or offense is broken. A few more years of maturity and muscle and I expect him to at least be able to exploit when defenses dont respect him.

I also dont see bench/6th guy like a Marcus Smart caliber player as a whiff here, Donovan Mitchell aside. Frank has to play better basketball, but I do think he can and will and at least have another year to find out

The difference between smart and frank is smart is away better offensive player then frank he can least average 10 points game for season. Frank offensive game can't be counted on, we all thought including me after first dallas game of the season that would be turning point of frank career but it was fools gold and turn back to old frank. Franks aggressiveness doesn't look natural it like he forcing shots like last night the dude was jacking up shots it something he not comfortable doing. I firmly believe frank wants to focus on defense more then offensive game but his defense has been sliping of late.

being up here in boston i disagree. Smart is dumb enough to shoot you out of a game all by himself. He is however a very effective interior passer and on (rare) occasion hot

But smart can go on stretches of games where can score over 10 plus points i haven't seen frank do that go on a stretch scoring 10 plus points 4 or 5 games in row. If frank stays how money do the knicks think about giving him in 2 years from know i know marcus smart got 4 year 48 million dollar contract from the celtics last year. I don't think knicks want to give frank over 50 million dollars that is a over payment for his stats.

Smart is the defensive spirit for that team. Frank isn't there yet, but hopefully with some good leadership from the coaches and players he can take a more prominent role in that regard

Fizz had Frank second guessing everything and forgetting that his biggest contributions are on D

Frank has to improve. My main beef is there are a lot of posts here who **** on Frank because he's not an allstar. WHo **** on KK because he's not KD etc.

take a look around the league (e.g., Giannis and buck) many of the best teams are full of contributors but only a small number of stars (maybe 1 -- see Bucks, Raptors, Heat, maybe Celts)

of course we want stars but that doesn't mean our non-stars aren't key contributors

Smart is playing on a winning team in a winning environment and his role has been establish.

Frank is playing on a loosing team in a dysfunctional environment with no clear cut role.

Perhaps if we had a kemba or a Kyrie his offense wouldn't be needed as much, if we had bigs that could create their own shot or better perimeter players, then I can see where frank would be good.

He plays losing basketball on this team because the other pieces don't compliment his style of play

He does not play losing basketball. Fairly consistently, the team plays better with him on the floor even if his stats suck

He's a keeper and a contributor along with a good attitude. We need more talent.

Frank is not excluded form the losing culture, none of the players are

And how can you say we need more talent in the same sentence as franks a keeper.

That would suggest he's one of the best players in the league at this position.

I would think (as a knick fan)you would be more interested in upgrading the position right?

BigDaddyG wrote:

houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball

Not to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.

I always thought he would be perfect under these broadway lights. Hes been like this in college. Usually have his sports of great games amd average games. Reminds me of john starks. Plays bigger than his size and at times, he can take over games.

houston20 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

houston20 wrote:Malik Monk scored a career-high 31 points with five rebounds, five assists, one steal, one block and three 3-pointers in 34 minutes during a 116-103 loss to the Bucks on Friday.
https://www.rotoworld.com/sports/nba/basketball

Not to take anything away from the kid, but one good game doesn't mean you're a good NBA player.

I always thought he would be perfect under these broadway lights. Hes been like this in college. Usually have his sports of great games amd average games. Reminds me of john starks. Plays bigger than his size and at times, he can take over games.

Frank and dsj ain't showing lot lately both guys looked checked out.

Frank shoots like crap but you aren’t paying attention if you think he’s checked out

meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOL

Scott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing

Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy

June 26, 2014

Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.

July 14, 2015

Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)

February 16, 2016

Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.

June 23, 2016

Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOL

Scott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing

Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy

June 26, 2014

Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.

July 14, 2015

Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)

February 16, 2016

Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.

June 23, 2016

Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.

Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOL

Scott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing

Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy

June 26, 2014

Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.

July 14, 2015

Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)

February 16, 2016

Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.

June 23, 2016

Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.

JamesKPolk wrote:

arkrud wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:Yes! Love this idea - Another worthless guard who cant shoot, doesn't pass and wont play defense. Keep 'em coming, because this time it will be different. LOL

Scott Perry ad Mills have no idea what they are doing

Look at the trades that were made why he worked for the Magic How the hell do you hire this guy

June 26, 2014

Traded Dario Saric, a 2015 2nd round draft pick (Willy Hernangomez was later selected) and a 2018 1st round draft pick (Landry Shamet was later selected) to the Philadelphia 76ers for Elfrid Payton.

July 14, 2015

Traded Maurice Harkless to the Portland Trail Blazers for a 2020 2nd round draft pick. (Pick is top-55 protected)

February 16, 2016

Traded Tobias Harris to the Detroit Pistons for Ersan Ilyasova and Brandon Jennings.

June 23, 2016

Traded Ersan Ilyasova, Victor Oladipo and Domantas Sabonis to the Oklahoma City Thunder for Serge Ibaka.

One thing to question the moves Perry made as Knicks GM. Pinning Perry for what happened on teams where he was an AGM is a big reach.

Yep, I agree- how can people say Perry is 100% to blame now as a GM, yet the Magic GM wasn't 100% to blame, instead Perry was in his role of assistant GM role? By that logic Gerald Madkins (our assistant GM- be honest who knew that?!?!) is to blame for all our moves.

Fans need to believe in team becoming great overnight... after some count of scapegoats are fired...
Otherwise alcoholism and drags may kill them. So let them believe.

LOL. Oh yeah, you have it all figured out.

Overnight success and scapegoats. Great call.

Nothing to do with the fact that if you paid an ounce of attention to the team building Perry has done in his career both here and on other franchises that his TYPE of player and his way of building a team are not conducive to winning basketball.

But sure, let's blame it on impatient fans who want a scapegoat.

As Russian saying goes "You do not show half-made job to the fool"...
Of course if its all on display anyways the is no cure...