CrushAlot wrote:

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wow..

That has more to do with the PG than anything

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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wow..

That has more to do with the PG than anything

martin wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

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wow..

That has more to do with the PG than anything

I think it is coaching and Payton. I love how the team plays when Payton is on the floor but he had 4 of the 24 assists last night. The team looks better on both ends of the floor.

Yes. Coach has made adjustments in how team plays and managed games nicely. No coincidence that Payton is also back. It was just dumb that Trier started first game of season, no excuse for Fiz on that.

Opponents will adjust now too, will be interesting to see the Knicks and Miller unfold.

We were a mess before Payton hurt his hamstring. Not so sure it would have made as big a difference without a coaching change. As I said before Miller got the job, ideally Miller will make a case to be the coach next season. Better than another big coaching search. Believe an exec who sees Miller turn the season around will be inclined to see him stay. Much more preferable to a sentimental hire.

arkrud wrote:

Nalod wrote:Most mid season coaching changes are "regrettable" for many reasons. There is a good bounce as the meltdown issue is usually extinguished quickly and changes are made. We had a 2-2 road trip. won't celebrate too much but when your the worst team and you win two in a row its never a bad thing.
Im very short term oriented and happy the job Miller is doing. I neither endorse him or any other at this point. I want to see how the team responds longer term to Fiz removal and how our kids respond. Frank is the endless enigma who now gets his 3rd coach in his third season. There were cries to run him out of town the last few days but he had a good run last night and I think we all know it does not matter who starts its who finishes. Its about wins.
As for the Miller he seems to be the right guy for now. Lets see in ten games if they are still tuned in. As a Gleague coach he got used to changing rosters. That might be true at this level the rest of this season if we make trades or buy out vets who might prefer to play elsewhere if the kids get more time should the season progress as it has.
Soon we complain about wins messing up our tankathon? LOL.

The team will still be in 5 worth group so no worries here.
The performance of individual players, especially our property is paramount.
As organization we are not yet in the winning business. We are in assets accumulation and grows business.
Fiz was very slow in this department. Too slow to keep him around.
But money are spend so riding with Miller for the rest of expected Fiz contract makes a lot of sense.
Coming from GL he has only development coach credentials and this is what we need.
If he shows more and will became an all-around NBA coach we can adjust the situation as it develops.

Naturally I want a "turnaround miracle" of some sort. Short of that I hope he does well enough to not warrant his removal or that of Mills to the extent Knicks don't exasperate the situation by panicking as they have in the past.
I would even go so far to say that we exhibit improvement as desired that what ever Mills and Perry cooked up makes progress. Sorry rainman, I now you want a verified starphuch but fact is its better to have progress than hope. Rebuilding sucks. If you fire everyone every time you get a set back you get know where. This takes imagination, hope and faith. The faith part is not easy when Mills has been around as he has. Im not denying that. Im just saying since we are not doing it as we did in the isiah era as it was when Mills Was an MSG exec then I can't hold him accountable.
Just because knicks have not done well in the past drafting does not mean they can't going forward. If you know the odds are what they are but you need assets to make trades teams have little else. Nets did a nice turnaround with deep patience and staying flexible. Not freaking out.
Knicks have to stop panicking and freaking out when things go wrong. Be cool. At least act like you been here before. Stand up, tell the fans whats up and they might respect it.

You either want:

or.....

sometimes adversity is unavoidable. Its what you do when it happens that matters.
Dolan or whom ever is making decisions needs to think it thru and not react. 10 game losing streak was not an over reaction. Im Ok with Fiz being let go.

arkrud wrote:

Nalod wrote:Most mid season coaching changes are "regrettable" for many reasons. There is a good bounce as the meltdown issue is usually extinguished quickly and changes are made. We had a 2-2 road trip. won't celebrate too much but when your the worst team and you win two in a row its never a bad thing.
Im very short term oriented and happy the job Miller is doing. I neither endorse him or any other at this point. I want to see how the team responds longer term to Fiz removal and how our kids respond. Frank is the endless enigma who now gets his 3rd coach in his third season. There were cries to run him out of town the last few days but he had a good run last night and I think we all know it does not matter who starts its who finishes. Its about wins.
As for the Miller he seems to be the right guy for now. Lets see in ten games if they are still tuned in. As a Gleague coach he got used to changing rosters. That might be true at this level the rest of this season if we make trades or buy out vets who might prefer to play elsewhere if the kids get more time should the season progress as it has.
Soon we complain about wins messing up our tankathon? LOL.

The team will still be in 5 worth group so no worries here.
The performance of individual players, especially our property is paramount.
As organization we are not yet in the winning business. We are in assets accumulation and grows business.
Fiz was very slow in this department. Too slow to keep him around.
But money are spend so riding with Miller for the rest of expected Fiz contract makes a lot of sense.
Coming from GL he has only development coach credentials and this is what we need.
If he shows more and will became an all-around NBA coach we can adjust the situation as it develops.

DSJ Rebound Game! Remember the Krazy Eyes Kurt Thomas Utah game? LMAO
Knox is seeing and threeing!
Mitch the Monster!

Now if we just get Frankie to mentor Trier to come off the bench and play some high level D along with his offensive game, we be on the right path!
Bullock on the way back too!

I'm so happy!

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks paying Fiz like $5M a year when they had a low rent, high IQ, Triangle loving coach right there on the farm team

Im telling you, they were more interested in having a all black staff rather than employing a more qualified candidate. I knew Fiz days were# when they brought on Mike.

Holy ****. Really? They?

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks paying Fiz like $5M a year when they had a low rent, high IQ, Triangle loving coach right there on the farm team

Im telling you, they were more interested in having a all black staff rather than employing a more qualified candidate. I knew Fiz days were# when they brought on Mike.

Do you mean Dolan hates black people and want them to suffer in MSG hell?
I was thinking he prefers to hire recovering addicts...
Conspiracy...

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:Knicks paying Fiz like $5M a year when they had a low rent, high IQ, Triangle loving coach right there on the farm team

Im telling you, they were more interested in having a all black staff rather than employing a more qualified candidate. I knew Fiz days were# when they brought on Mike.

When Rainman met Drunk uncle.
When Knicks1248 basically insinuates knicks should fire Mills because he is black.

so am i...he said it himself foolish

But i think it has more to do with initiating the offense through the guards, and having particularly Randle take stuff out of the high post.

there were a lot of dumb TOs, dribbling off his foot, steals etc. that aren't happening now.

This is important stuff. Consider Miller's first game (against the Pacer's) one extra possession with a decent shot and we could have won that game too

Woodson back in the day ran a bunch of iso, thinking it kept TOs down. There is some logic to that but you need the guys to protect the ball. Randle had problems with that

Way back in the very beginning of the year, I was pulling for this guy and hoping he would be our Nick Nurse

Having said that, that was wild hyperbole since i never saw him coach. I just was pulling for someone other than Fizz who was more coach than TV celebrity

He is pushing all the right buttons and surpassing any reasonable expectations I could have had

Here's a subtler point perhaps. When he talks about a game he almost always talks about the players and what they're actually doing and complimentary. He's in the present

Fizz spent a lot of time talking about how he was going to mold or fix a player, and imagine if he can do this or that; e.g., imagine KK at Sg and how long our team would be

then fizz would insist the players do things they're not best at: frank pretend your rose; DSJ pretend you're ray allen; Randle pretend your Lebron

Miller puts the guys in positions where they can best contribute -- at least IMO

I also think he is being true to his word in saying he will run three guards, and hope he can resuscitate the attack in DSJ's game.

Of course you want your players to develop their weaknesses. The issue is how. In my mind you build off your strength. SO DSJ should attack. If he's good, the opponent will sag off him making his chance a jumper he can hit better. Taking the attack out of his game and asking him to shoot 30' bombs results in the horrible shooting %

Vice versa for KK. Have him shoot the deep ball. If he's hitting it, the guys will place closer, and then he can drive with his long strides and gargantuan feet