Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:No the backlash isn't worth it. Fiz is popular with influential players around the league, who will just blast us in the press after we fire him (as happened when he got canned in Memphis). Keep him til the end of the season, then get rid of Mills and let whoever takes over decide his fate. Don't see why any good coach would want to come here at this point.

This seems to be the most compelling at this point. I definitely don't trust Mills to hire another head coach. I love the new mindset he and Perry have moving forward but he has proven time and time again to find a good coach that would be a good fit. Funny thing is that I think keeping Horny in the long run would have proven to be a much better move.

Fizdale is not doing a good job by any measurable index. The only positives for the season so far have been RJ and Frank winning the PG job and Fizdale did everything humanly possible to NOT give it Frank so the look for Fizdale is pretty bad right now.

There is no solution waiting in the wings and the team isnt very good anyway. The question is what is the directive and goal in the short/medium/long term?

I think you have to wait it out with Fizdale until he losses the locker room. There is nothing interesting happening on the floor. We are not doing anything system wise that works except he always plays big and we are very good on the boards.

Nobody's value has improved. Maybe Morris. No team in a playoff run is going to look to add Portis or Ellington, although I think Morris does have great value.

So what are we doing?

Fish the directive should be to fire Fizdale and start to get the players to play in a system and prepare them for next year. Something Fizdale failed miserably doing last season. Knox not play defense Trier not playing defense is on him. He had all of last year to instill the habits necessary for good defense. But he was to enamored with offensive side of the ball and isolation basketball which he still does excessively today.
When people were saying he was wasting a valuable year last year to teach that should have been a red flag for everyone. He is not a developmental coach. He was complaining about talent instead of coaching what he had. He was think pie in the sky Durant and Kyrie or any big FA so he threw away a valuable year and let the players do whatever last year. Held only one guy accountable for not shooting and today he might be his best player.
The directive is simple let someone else take over and start teaching and developing with execution of offense and defense and start creating a cohesive team.

I assume the plan was to lean on these guys to establish plan then integrate the youth into a system. Obviously that has not worked.

Who is your hire after you chop Fizdale?

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:No the backlash isn't worth it. Fiz is popular with influential players around the league, who will just blast us in the press after we fire him (as happened when he got canned in Memphis). Keep him til the end of the season, then get rid of Mills and let whoever takes over decide his fate. Don't see why any good coach would want to come here at this point.

This seems to be the most compelling at this point. I definitely don't trust Mills to hire another head coach. I love the new mindset he and Perry have moving forward but he has proven time and time again to find a good coach that would be a good fit. Funny thing is that I think keeping Horny in the long run would have proven to be a much better move.

Fizdale is not doing a good job by any measurable index. The only positives for the season so far have been RJ and Frank winning the PG job and Fizdale did everything humanly possible to NOT give it Frank so the look for Fizdale is pretty bad right now.

There is no solution waiting in the wings and the team isnt very good anyway. The question is what is the directive and goal in the short/medium/long term?

I think you have to wait it out with Fizdale until he losses the locker room. There is nothing interesting happening on the floor. We are not doing anything system wise that works except he always plays big and we are very good on the boards.

Nobody's value has improved. Maybe Morris. No team in a playoff run is going to look to add Portis or Ellington, although I think Morris does have great value.

So what are we doing?

Fish the directive should be to fire Fizdale and start to get the players to play in a system and prepare them for next year. Something Fizdale failed miserably doing last season. Knox not play defense Trier not playing defense is on him. He had all of last year to instill the habits necessary for good defense. But he was to enamored with offensive side of the ball and isolation basketball which he still does excessively today.
When people were saying he was wasting a valuable year last year to teach that should have been a red flag for everyone. He is not a developmental coach. He was complaining about talent instead of coaching what he had. He was think pie in the sky Durant and Kyrie or any big FA so he threw away a valuable year and let the players do whatever last year. Held only one guy accountable for not shooting and today he might be his best player.
The directive is simple let someone else take over and start teaching and developing with execution of offense and defense and start creating a cohesive team.

ok but we are not a developmental team right now. Morris and Randle are leading the team in FGAs. After that RJ, after that its Portis. So 3/4 of the guys taking the shots are the FA vets.

I assume the plan was to lean on these guys to establish plan then integrate the youth into a system. Obviously that has not worked.

Who is your hire after you chop Fizdale?

If this isn’t a developmental team than we should have fired Fizdale sooner. Losing with vets makes it look worse.

The coach I have in mind is Mark Jackson or David Joerger.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:No the backlash isn't worth it. Fiz is popular with influential players around the league, who will just blast us in the press after we fire him (as happened when he got canned in Memphis). Keep him til the end of the season, then get rid of Mills and let whoever takes over decide his fate. Don't see why any good coach would want to come here at this point.

This seems to be the most compelling at this point. I definitely don't trust Mills to hire another head coach. I love the new mindset he and Perry have moving forward but he has proven time and time again to find a good coach that would be a good fit. Funny thing is that I think keeping Horny in the long run would have proven to be a much better move.

Fizdale is not doing a good job by any measurable index. The only positives for the season so far have been RJ and Frank winning the PG job and Fizdale did everything humanly possible to NOT give it Frank so the look for Fizdale is pretty bad right now.

There is no solution waiting in the wings and the team isnt very good anyway. The question is what is the directive and goal in the short/medium/long term?

I think you have to wait it out with Fizdale until he losses the locker room. There is nothing interesting happening on the floor. We are not doing anything system wise that works except he always plays big and we are very good on the boards.

Nobody's value has improved. Maybe Morris. No team in a playoff run is going to look to add Portis or Ellington, although I think Morris does have great value.

So what are we doing?

Fish the directive should be to fire Fizdale and start to get the players to play in a system and prepare them for next year. Something Fizdale failed miserably doing last season. Knox not play defense Trier not playing defense is on him. He had all of last year to instill the habits necessary for good defense. But he was to enamored with offensive side of the ball and isolation basketball which he still does excessively today.
When people were saying he was wasting a valuable year last year to teach that should have been a red flag for everyone. He is not a developmental coach. He was complaining about talent instead of coaching what he had. He was think pie in the sky Durant and Kyrie or any big FA so he threw away a valuable year and let the players do whatever last year. Held only one guy accountable for not shooting and today he might be his best player.
The directive is simple let someone else take over and start teaching and developing with execution of offense and defense and start creating a cohesive team.

ok but we are not a developmental team right now. Morris and Randle are leading the team in FGAs. After that RJ, after that its Portis. So 3/4 of the guys taking the shots are the FA vets.

I assume the plan was to lean on these guys to establish plan then integrate the youth into a system. Obviously that has not worked.

Who is your hire after you chop Fizdale?

If this isn’t a developmental team than we should have fired Fizdale sooner. Losing with vets makes it look worse.

The coach I have in mind is Mark Jackson or David Joerger.

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

TPercy wrote:

smackeddog wrote:No the backlash isn't worth it. Fiz is popular with influential players around the league, who will just blast us in the press after we fire him (as happened when he got canned in Memphis). Keep him til the end of the season, then get rid of Mills and let whoever takes over decide his fate. Don't see why any good coach would want to come here at this point.

This seems to be the most compelling at this point. I definitely don't trust Mills to hire another head coach. I love the new mindset he and Perry have moving forward but he has proven time and time again to find a good coach that would be a good fit. Funny thing is that I think keeping Horny in the long run would have proven to be a much better move.

Fizdale is not doing a good job by any measurable index. The only positives for the season so far have been RJ and Frank winning the PG job and Fizdale did everything humanly possible to NOT give it Frank so the look for Fizdale is pretty bad right now.

There is no solution waiting in the wings and the team isnt very good anyway. The question is what is the directive and goal in the short/medium/long term?

I think you have to wait it out with Fizdale until he losses the locker room. There is nothing interesting happening on the floor. We are not doing anything system wise that works except he always plays big and we are very good on the boards.

Nobody's value has improved. Maybe Morris. No team in a playoff run is going to look to add Portis or Ellington, although I think Morris does have great value.

So what are we doing?

Fish the directive should be to fire Fizdale and start to get the players to play in a system and prepare them for next year. Something Fizdale failed miserably doing last season. Knox not play defense Trier not playing defense is on him. He had all of last year to instill the habits necessary for good defense. But he was to enamored with offensive side of the ball and isolation basketball which he still does excessively today.
When people were saying he was wasting a valuable year last year to teach that should have been a red flag for everyone. He is not a developmental coach. He was complaining about talent instead of coaching what he had. He was think pie in the sky Durant and Kyrie or any big FA so he threw away a valuable year and let the players do whatever last year. Held only one guy accountable for not shooting and today he might be his best player.
The directive is simple let someone else take over and start teaching and developing with execution of offense and defense and start creating a cohesive team.

ok but we are not a developmental team right now. Morris and Randle are leading the team in FGAs. After that RJ, after that its Portis. So 3/4 of the guys taking the shots are the FA vets.

I assume the plan was to lean on these guys to establish plan then integrate the youth into a system. Obviously that has not worked.

Who is your hire after you chop Fizdale?

If this isn’t a developmental team than we should have fired Fizdale sooner. Losing with vets makes it look worse.

The coach I have in mind is Mark Jackson or David Joerger.

Mark Jackson is mental. Did you read nothing about what was going on in GS? Joerger.... eh. Memphis and 3 years with bad teams in Sac. What is it about Joerger that inspires?

Before I answer your question what is it about Fizdale that inspires you?

Joerger, had Sacramento playing well before he was let him go he had them playing a faster pace and he relies on defense. His Memphis teams were always competitive and who know he might help Randle similar to the way he worked with ZBo. kings were playing much better under his coaching than they are now. Basically took a young Kong’s team and gave them a direction towards winning, they should have kept him.

Fizdale has never inspired me. I dont like him at all. Not sure why you would make that assumption.

franco12 wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Not now. Tough start to the season but he deserves a shot to make it right. A change now won't do a damn thing other than make it more of a s#!t show.

Are we as bad as our record? Is the coach and his system, or lack of, the cause of the problems?

That is the question that we answer if we fire Fizdale. And if the next coach does poorly, then by all means, fire and turn over the front office.

Completely agree.

blkexec wrote:Firing Fitz right now is a bad look. This roster reflects our record, yes.....A better coach may have squeezed out 1 additional win. Fitz is not good right now, but neither are some of our young players. Fitz is a young coach. Everybody needs time to help and build chemistry. Might as well play the season, into a top pick. Then make a decision in the off season. Give fitz his full season to see if hes worth keeping. Right now, I agree... hes not doing well... but neither are the players or the FO.

A bad look is losing. Change is seen as trying to win.

If the Knicks do pull the trigger and fire Fiz a coach that's interesting is Mike Miller. He has had much success in Westchester so he can coach (at least at the G League level). The other important point is that coaching in the G league has given him experience playing and developing young players. So playing and developing the young core with the knicks would not be foreign to him.

The willingness to play and develop young players should be high on the list when choosing the next coach and Miller would seem to fit the bill.