knicks1248 wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

stanleybostitch wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Frank is an old fashioned type of PG. That's why he is such a polarizing player and why guys like knicks1248 hates him because he doesn't fit the view of what a PG has to be in todays NBA.

One thing that I would like Fizdale implement with RJ and Frank is posting them up. They have a mismatch in height every game at those positions. Clyde mentioned this on more than 1 occasion. He said him and Earl would fight over who is posting every game because they were bigger than their counterparts.

Dude I like frank as much as i like anyone on the roster.

I don't like his role on the team, just like i don't like Randle as a Point Fwd, or melo without a true veteran pg.

Our starting pg is dead last in ppg among all points guards, starters and the ones coming off the bench

https://www.espn.com/nba/stats/player/_/position/point-guard

49 point guards in the league shoot better and score more points...

we can't win consistently like that, and it's clearly obvious

But he plays defense better than any of them. He's only 21 and showing signs of breaking out on offense (he drives, he has a sweet stroke, and he makes masterful passes). Give it time, he'll be the complete package and a cornerstone to a championship team.

He made up his mind about Frank on draft night 2017 so its a lost cause for him. Funny enough he actually had his one and only positive post about Frank after the first Dallas game. It was very out of character for him and Im still not sure if it was even him or not lol. Anyway look mostof us know Frank isn't a finished product yet but I have liked what ive seen this year he still needs to hit his shot more consistently but he has been more aggressive in looking for shots. I would like to see more picks set for him because he will help him penetrate more to the hoop. Obviously his defense make a big impact for us too.

what do i say negative about frank?

that he can't shoot, he's not aggressive, he is too passive, we he basically loses every PG battle, even to guys younger than him.

He has a old school way of playing, that doesn't really fit into the new era of the NBA, just like phil and his triangle. The triangle is a great way to keep everybody involve, but it's too slow a system to have any really impact.

The question i keep asking is why can't you just accept him for who he is, a one side of the ball player, a utility player, a back up, a role player, there's nothing wrong with that

I don’t get this loses pg battles BS. Everyone knows who the scorers are on the Knicks right now. Frank’s job is to get everyone in the flow and play hard defense. That’s like saying Stephon Marbury out scored JKidd. You know damn well the better point guard was Kidd. It’s like Doncic out scoring Frank. Docic is their main scorer. Frank lost his head to head but win the battle. This isn’t one on one where head to head matters it f’ing team sport.

Against a certain narrative. Defender doesn't dare Frank to shoot the ball. 5 guys in the box can't penetrate, no lane. Attempts to get blocked out works in a mid range jumper.

This is the area that Frank would bring his game to another level if he could improve. He rarely attempts to attack a scenario like this. Which is where many PGs are able to do the most damage. Even if he were to not go for the layup and look to dribble out. He would potentially find open shooters or cutters with the defense collapsed, off balanced and scrambling. We saw the elite level PGs make a living off this.

NYKBocker wrote:

Chandler wrote:

Uptown wrote:

martin wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:Frank is an old fashioned type of PG. That's why he is such a polarizing player and why guys like knicks1248 hates him because he doesn't fit the view of what a PG has to be in todays NBA.

One thing that I would like Fizdale implement with RJ and Frank is posting them up. They have a mismatch in height every game at those positions. Clyde mentioned this on more than 1 occasion. He said him and Earl would fight over who is posting every game because they were bigger than their counterparts.

Posting up the guards is a more advanced level of offense and would slow down ball movement for a potential mismatch. Knicks have barely been able to get guys involved with ISO from Randle/Morris, etc. and get their shooting on track. Dumping the ball down to RJ/Frank makes them decision makers in a spot without movement. Maybe next year.

When I say post him up, I don't mean in the traditional, get on the blocks and pin your man ou your back and wait for someone to feed you the rock similar to Ewing. A simple flex cut can work. Frank will set up opposite ball on the baseline, the teammate is ballside on the opposite block, and will set a cross screen for Frank to race ball side. When Frank receives the pass, it should be an easy shot considering he will be shooting over a smallish defender or maybe no defender at all if its a good pick.

I have mixed feelings about this. It seems it would definitely provide Frank with more quality shots, and certainly better than hiding him in the corner, but wouldn't we be better off running something like this for RJ (where he is a big , and likes finishing near the paint). And who feeds him?

I would still prefer to see him in PnR or pop

Why can't he do both?

In theory he can. And I know this sounds like pop psychology but i think Frank is selfless to a fault. If he runs the PnR he can think he's actually helping the other guy

getting a play called for him where the spotlight is on him alone has been more trouble. Maybe once he gets it going with a couple of baskets he'll build the confidence

arkrud wrote:Fans expectations for PG our days is scoring.
Frank is a throwback PG. He will never be flashy.
If Frank will get closer to Charly Wards, Derek Harpers, Tim Hardaways of the past it will be fantastic.
He need time zo to get there. This type of PG emerging when player gets physically and mentally mature.

Yes, and today he is looking for his shot. 14!!

StarksEwing1 wrote:Great Game for a Frank tonight. Lead us to another big lead. But of course the second he gets rest the lead vanished. Then in the 4th despite shooting great Morris and Randle dominate the ball again and since we have no coach it never stop until we lose the lead and game for good. But still I like what I’m see for a Frank this year. Much more confidence in his offense even when the shots aren’t falling. Keep it up kid!!

He played aggressive tonight. No assists isn’t ideal , but he shot with confidence and had impact on both ends clearly so baby steps.

https://stats.nba.com/lineups/advanced/?Season=2019-20&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&TeamID=1610612752&sort=NET_RATING&dir=1&CF=MIN*GE*10

martin wrote:

TheGame wrote:Fiz just needs to turn the team over to Frank and stop with his fantasy of making DSJ the starter at some point in the future. The team plays better with Frank, and DSJ is never going to be a good enough defender to start in the league, so unless his offense and passing jumps up 2-3 levels, he should be used as a spark plug off the bench. The team needs to continue to build up Frank's confidence so we can start getting FIBA Frank every game.

Did we miss where DSJr was even a candidate to start?

Fiz continues to play DSJ too much and I think it is because he still has some limited hope DSJ can be the eventual starter due to his offense. That is just my feeling but that has been the trend. The team defense falls apart every time Frank is taken out of the game. Franks needs to be out there 35 minutes a game every game. Remember the fans had to essentially demand that Fiz start playing Frank and it is only because of the injuries that Frank has gotten the chance to have a real opportunity to earn the starting job. Fiz still seems to be fighting just turning this team over to Frank as the permanent starter.

TheGame wrote:

martin wrote:

TheGame wrote:Fiz just needs to turn the team over to Frank and stop with his fantasy of making DSJ the starter at some point in the future. The team plays better with Frank, and DSJ is never going to be a good enough defender to start in the league, so unless his offense and passing jumps up 2-3 levels, he should be used as a spark plug off the bench. The team needs to continue to build up Frank's confidence so we can start getting FIBA Frank every game.

Did we miss where DSJr was even a candidate to start?

Fiz continues to play DSJ too much and I think it is because he still has some limited hope DSJ can be the eventual starter due to his offense. That is just my feeling but that has been the trend. The team defense falls apart every time Frank is taken out of the game. Franks needs to be out there 35 minutes a game every game. Remember the fans had to essentially demand that Fiz start playing Frank and it is only because of the injuries that Frank has gotten the chance to have a real opportunity to earn the starting job. Fiz still seems to be fighting just turning this team over to Frank as the permanent starter.

Smith only played 15 mins last night. Frank played 33