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BigDaddyG
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11/29/2019  2:21 PM
I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.
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11/29/2019  2:57 PM
Nalod wrote:My “Expectations” are Dolan is here to stay and that this FO continues to do the “right thing”. At the three levels that matter, FO, Coach, and Players they are all doing it but not executing the desired results. 4-14 tells us a low probability of change but for it to happen does blowing it up really make a difference? If the FO is doing the “right thing”, what’s left? Each scenario is different. The current team, Trade potentials and draft prospects.
Changing FO does not change the status of Frank or Knox. Are we to things if we fire everyone we undue “Mistakes” and the new guys/gals bring their success with them?
Media feeds us another “Ujiri” starphuch. The guy is good. If team was 8-12 and Kawhi shot does not fall thru and team fails “again” in conf finals, then he leaves for Free agency, does he really the “savior”?
If Durant and Thompson don’t break, are they champs? Thin line. I Think his contract has a bit to go, doe we really trade first round pick for this guy? We really think KP would have stayed? would Have Masai ave traded him either as Phil wanted to or after he got hurt? Of course !!!!

Media feeds fans, fans see losses, and we are angered by failure. That’s entertainment?

Dolan is here to stay. True.

The FO, like many previous attempts, did a calculated right thing. The signings weren't awful, they simply haven't gelled as reasonably expected. YET!

The beginning of this season is too small sample size to make a judgement. Its not too small to be frustrated and want to scream.

In watching the Celts, I really regret that Phil could not have found a compromise trade with them. One or two of their young guys would have gone a long way in our team being competitive. Oh, well.

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11/29/2019  3:00 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

If you think LaMelo is the answer, what's the question?

I'm waiting for this team to turn a corner. This mid-year trading deadline will be important. Either we will give up on the season or not. Hard to know from the rock bottom view we currently hold.

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11/29/2019  3:55 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

You can almost bet on this happening!!! And you can bank on him dropping 20 off the bench in his Garden debut!

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11/29/2019  3:56 PM
fwk00 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

If you think LaMelo is the answer, what's the question?

I'm waiting for this team to turn a corner. This mid-year trading deadline will be important. Either we will give up on the season or not. Hard to know from the rock bottom view we currently hold.


The question: What team will magically leapfrog us in the lottery this year?
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11/30/2019  9:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 11/30/2019  9:20 PM
Expected Smith jr. to make a case for starting PG, so far he hasnt. Read a lot of stuff about DSjr not having the skills, strongly disagree. Dennis has the skills, just dont see a hungry player. He's more skilled than Beverly IMO, but Beverly would run through a brick wall to get a W, and Smith jr too often seems liks he is just phoning it in. I dont doubt he put in the work over the summer,just dont see a player right now who wants to be an elite PG. I dont. Its a damned shame. Understand that he's had a run of really bad luck. Dont see a player trying to make a consistent effort to fight through it, a sense of urgency.

I didnt see it from Frank, for most of his career in the NBA, but I see it now. Frank has surprised me of late with that aspect of his game. Still hasnt made a case yet to be th3 starter going forward, but he's closer to it, than he was not so long ago.

Read a lot of stuff about his coaches holding him back. That wasnt the case. It was about Frank changing his mindset. He told Fizdale that he now understands what it takes to be a PG in this league. He had to figure out that part for himself. The fact that Frank is once again dealing with groin issues demonstrates that the PT he was getting was all he could handle. Forcing a player beyond their limits, could have resulted in Frank developing a more serious injury. Happy for him.

If Frank ends up being a perennial starter or a backup, doesnt really matter. What matters is that he plays his role well.

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12/1/2019  9:25 AM
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Nalod wrote:My “Expectations” are Dolan is here to stay and that this FO continues to do the “right thing”. At the three levels that matter, FO, Coach, and Players they are all doing it but not executing the desired results. 4-14 tells us a low probability of change but for it to happen does blowing it up really make a difference? If the FO is doing the “right thing”, what’s left? Each scenario is different. The current team, Trade potentials and draft prospects.
Changing FO does not change the status of Frank or Knox. Are we to things if we fire everyone we undue “Mistakes” and the new guys/gals bring their success with them?
Media feeds us another “Ujiri” starphuch. The guy is good. If team was 8-12 and Kawhi shot does not fall thru and team fails “again” in conf finals, then he leaves for Free agency, does he really the “savior”?
If Durant and Thompson don’t break, are they champs? Thin line. I Think his contract has a bit to go, doe we really trade first round pick for this guy? We really think KP would have stayed? would Have Masai ave traded him either as Phil wanted to or after he got hurt? Of course !!!!

Media feeds fans, fans see losses, and we are angered by failure. That’s entertainment?

Dolan is here to stay. True.

The FO, like many previous attempts, did a calculated right thing. The signings weren't awful, they simply haven't gelled as reasonably expected. YET!

The beginning of this season is too small sample size to make a judgement. Its not too small to be frustrated and want to scream.

In watching the Celts, I really regret that Phil could not have found a compromise trade with them. One or two of their young guys would have gone a long way in our team being competitive. Oh, well.

Its really a shame Phil was so hell bent on defining the franchise in the narrow discipline that was the triangle. PHil must have thought he could evolve it as Tex Winter did teaching it to others. Regrettable circumstances that tainted his tenure. That he thought like a coach and his instincts for Noah was incorrect, his faith that DRose could return to form, hin hindsight it was not on the timeline needed. DRose did return but not as hoped. As we have come to learn h saw KP's talent but not not convinced in his logevity or mental makeup. The longevity and injury thing I recall was soon after he was drafted. Either his anemia or his "center of gravity".
I am speculating if you have the team president not convinced your a max player from day one its easy to imagine the scenario we have come to learn. If Dolan did fire Phil for wanting to trade him then what ensued next?
1. Hornachek was given one year
2. Melo was traded and the keys given to KP. Melo was not handled correctly? Seems like Melo was to be held accountable and maybe told he might not start. His play in OKC validated knicks issues.


I think at this moment all is good. Then KP does his ACL and his ego inflated (remember the ill started documentary of his rehab?). The first summer he wants that extension, Knicks by waiting get 10mm more to spend but it all goes to **** from there as we know. I think both sides did not handle this correct.

WHy bring this up "again" as "Expectations"? KP leaving sets us back 2 years. Replacing FO does not undue this. What Im more instresteed is the culture by which RJ Barrett is being cultivated under. Eitehr his dad, agent and godfather Steve Nash no doubt his base is more professional than KP's was. With Craig Robinson and Perry is there a welcoming environment to develop players?
Year one vs year two? Lets measure Frank? He was drafted by Phil and days later fired. Perry does not come until August. Year two Frank is injured most of the year. Either lack of value as per Rumor or not, he was not traded. This demonstrates change as we are seeing the kid at age 21 now start to make the progress one would have hoped last year. Does this mean the new culture actually has traction? We have Trier and Dot still here. In the past, that would not happen.

Dennis. The short term keyto the KP trade. Kid looked "decent" last season. He hung a triple double in his last game in Dallas. Looked ok last season but this year something is off. Either its Physical or fundamental. We know his shot was reworked. Once upon a time I played golf. I went to a really nice "School" at a resort for a few days and reworked my game. I was not a very good golfer and by the end of the week even worse. But I was shown how to do it and with a coach did really well, but when it came time to play on my own it was a disaster. For two years I stayed with it and then one day like magic it became instinct. I doubt Dennis needs two years but my hope is reconstruction is a few steps back to make progress forward. I don't fire the FO for what is Dennis.

Knox is a combo of it all. Decent rookie campaign with little accountability for defense in the shyt show tank season. His big thing off seaosn was to bulk up, which he did, learn to move without the ball, and perhaps learn the fundamentals of defense and the footwork needed to execute it properly. I think this kids head is all messed up and he is thinking too much. He will get more opportunity as he is young and has the talent. Morris on a one year deal is not here forever.

Mitch. He is left wide open and should shoot that midrange shot!!!! Im a fan. I yell at the TV and that makes me smart!!! LOL. I think the pressure of the losing is messing with some of our guys. Mitch included. Dumb fouls is his first priority. I'd like to see him attempt some shots. Not the 3pt so written about but just 1 or two a game.

My expectati0ns are this team should have been further along but had to infuse talent to win a bit more. Im as dumfounded as most of you and ambivielent about Fiz. Fans of losing team usually want the coach fired. He has been here 102 games. IM not ready to throw the towel in on him based on what I know. There have been a few stinkers which is my primary concern. I suppose what is behind the scenes and what I don't know might sway my opinion but for now Fiz is here and Im ok with it.

I don't see a quick fix.

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12/1/2019  10:33 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

I bet your right. Trier will end up giving them efficent double digit scoring off the bench. Amazing we can't find room for that considering how bad we suck offensivly.

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12/1/2019  10:42 AM
GustavBahler wrote:Even if the PG situation gets sorted out, I still expect an up and down season. There has been a consistent effort from the team lately. I expect Randle and Morris will drift in and out of heroball, making it difficult to build momentum. Would help if one of them was traded at the first deadline. They both bring something to the table, but they demand the ball too much at times.

The PG spot gets fixed in the off-season. I think end up with Ball or Anthony. Once we plug the PG in everything else will fall into place. A decent PG would unlock Mitch around the basket. Be able to drive and kick to wide open shooters on the perimeter. We need to clean house of the bums we have at PG. That should of been the priority this off-season but instead we signed Julius Randle.

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12/1/2019  12:29 PM
Jmpasq wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

I bet your right. Trier will end up giving them efficent double digit scoring off the bench. Amazing we can't find room for that considering how bad we suck offensivly.

No excuse for Trier not playing. The guy just gets buckets and this team needs that. He is more effective then the vets playing ahead of him and he is supposed to be a part of the future. Losing Trier would haunt the franchise in my opinion.
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12/1/2019  12:31 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

If you think LaMelo is the answer, what's the question?

I'm waiting for this team to turn a corner. This mid-year trading deadline will be important. Either we will give up on the season or not. Hard to know from the rock bottom view we currently hold.


The question: What team will magically leapfrog us in the lottery this year?
You know it is going to be the Warriors. My guess is the Cavs as well.
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12/1/2019  12:51 PM
When at best you have a 14.5% chance of getting the top pick, someone is gonna jump.
One day we will jump.
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12/1/2019  2:48 PM
Today. A win.
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12/1/2019  2:52 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
fwk00 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:I'm expecting the Straight Shot to blow up so much next year that Dolan will have no choice but to sell Seriously, I expect Trier to sign with the Nets without us getting any compensation, Dot to walk away to the Rockets in free agency and Frank/DSJ to be gone for second round picks just in time to add Lamelo/Lavar Ball to the mix.

If you think LaMelo is the answer, what's the question?

I'm waiting for this team to turn a corner. This mid-year trading deadline will be important. Either we will give up on the season or not. Hard to know from the rock bottom view we currently hold.


The question: What team will magically leapfrog us in the lottery this year?
You know it is going to be the Warriors. My guess is the Cavs as well.

Yeah, Wiseman would probably be a beast on GSW
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12/1/2019  7:09 PM
I think Fiz's last game will be tomorrow. This can't go on much longer.
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12/1/2019  9:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 12/1/2019  9:47 PM
fwk00 wrote:I think Fiz's last game will be tomorrow. This can't go on much longer.

I don't understand? This IS the plan. Sign a bunch of goons to 1 yrs deals, since we missed on the FA. Took a chance on Randle, which I don't mind....His stock was trending up. Swap out goons for more goons, until we finally #1 Add a FA SUPERSTAR or #2 One of our (RJ?) home grown players become a SUPERSTAR.

So my expectations of a team full of average Forwards, only 1 player over 7ft and 4 backup PGs? Well it wasn't championship . So I don't understand the frustration at this pt in the season? Your frustration is understandable, I'm questioning the timing?

For now, the only expectations I have is to play hard and lose in the 4th. Isnt that typical for a roster like this, with no SUPERSTAR....

So I'm not surprised at the outcome. What I'm looking for, just like last year, is player growth. Who's stepping up? Who looks like a future All Star? or a solid role player? Consistency is the key for me. RJ seems pretty solid. Randle is up and down, but trending in the right direction. But we need these young guys to be more consistent, regardless if Fitz is here or some other coach.

Mitch
Knox
Trier
Frank
RJ
Randle (25)
Portis (24)

How these guys develop is what I care about most. Because if we are going to build something, we need a solid farm system of young talent.

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12/1/2019  9:50 PM
blkexec wrote:
fwk00 wrote:I think Fiz's last game will be tomorrow. This can't go on much longer.

I don't understand? This IS the plan. Sign a bunch of goons to 1 yrs deals, since we missed on the FA. Took a chance on Randle, which I don't mind....His stock was trending up. Swap out goons for more goons, until we finally #1 Add a FA SUPERSTAR or #2 One of our (RJ?) home grown players become a SUPERSTAR.

So my expectations of a team full of average Forwards, only 1 player over 7ft and 4 backup PGs? Well it wasn't championship . So I don't understand the frustration at this pt in the season? Your frustration is understandable, I'm questioning the timing?

For now, the only expectations I have is to play hard and lose in the 4th. Isnt that typical for a roster like this, with no SUPERSTAR....

So I'm not surprised at the outcome. What I'm looking for, just like last year, is player growth. Who's stepping up? Who looks like a future All Star? or a solid role player? Consistency is the key for me. RJ seems pretty solid. Randle is up and down, but trending in the right direction. But we need these young guys to be more consistent, regardless if Fitz is here or some other coach.

Mitch
Knox
Trier
Frank
RJ
Randle (25)
Portis (24)

How these guys develop is what I care about most. Because if we are going to build something, we need a solid farm system of young talent.

+ 1000000.....Couldn't agree more with this post. When I read some of these posts, it's clear why most people say Knick fans are too impatient for a rebuild.

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