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BRIGGS
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9/30/2004  5:09 PM
I have issues with what? I personally believe that Ruben Patterson is a better player and a better fit for this club. You are acting like Jerome Williams is the second coming of Karl Malone and Patterson is the second coming of Bob Thorton. Honestly they are similar players-- ROLE players but I feel that rubens ability to guard 2-3 is more important than what JYD can do. I also believe Ruben is better in a fast pace offense on the break. Thats just my opinion:>) don't get so carried away with your tirade:>) neither player is going to break the bank my man--JYD will be 32 next year and his numbers have been falling. he's no big thing.


I think sometimes when you get a new player, fans want to over rate them to the point of absurd. Lets face reality JYD has a MINOR itty bitty role on this club--he will have plenty of DNPs. When we need D on the wing--it will have to be Andersen.

until we find an amare stoudemire in the frontcourt, we are just a mediocre team any way you want to write the story.
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9/30/2004  5:13 PM
just one last reminder

jyd is not playing over mike sweetney nazr mohammed Kt or vin baker because all of those players are better

he is not playing over TT and i believe 100% that penny is TT back up.

so really you are arguing about a guy who IMHO has no spot for PT and was a throw in just to get crawford. Isiah didnt want jyd--he had to take him! reality!
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9/30/2004  6:03 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Isiah didnt want jyd--he had to take him! reality!
Briggs have you fallen off your chair and hit your head? Where does it says that Isiah didn't want jyd!? Remember in the press conference Isiah praised Jamal AND JYD, he was saying something that JYD is a rebound machine and bring energy to the team which is what championship caliber teams should have. Come on dude. I do like Ruben but I don't like trading JYD for him. The only way I would take Ruben is if Shandon is traded for him, swingman for swingman.

Oh also one more thing, JYD can play the 3 mind you. I don't care who the opponent puts at the 3, JYD can handle anyone there. He can abuse a rookie. I will take JYD playing some mins at the 3 as opposed to Fatspoon not too long ago,
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9/30/2004  6:26 PM
no, we took jyd because that was the primary reason the bulls did the deal with us, they wanted out of his contract. jyd is the reason why we acquired jamal, i think its easy to understand isiah would have never tried to trade for jyd heck it couldve been a bottle of juice that cost 6 mm a year and jamal and he wouldve done the deal. the deal was all about acquiring crawford. jyd is not a bad player, hes a good role player--- we just dont need him+ he is nothing in terms of being a core player on a championship team HE couldnt even start for the BULLS who won 20 games!

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9/30/2004  7:17 PM
Well try to understand this, JYD was on bad chicago teams. Chicago don't have players that can score at will except Jamal (he's with NY now *giggles*). Even Rodman from his heyday with the MJ teams couldn't save the current Chicago team's jockstraps. Put JYD on a team full of scorers and watch the wins mount. He is exactly what NY need, PF depth be damned. Hey good depth is good in the long season anyways.
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9/30/2004  7:19 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

just one last reminder

jyd is not playing over mike sweetney nazr mohammed Kt or vin baker because all of those players are better

he is not playing over TT and i believe 100% that penny is TT back up.

so really you are arguing about a guy who IMHO has no spot for PT
YOU are the one who started this huge thread about trading one guy who will have little PT for another who will have little PT.
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Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

just one last reminder

jyd is not playing over mike sweetney nazr mohammed Kt or vin baker because all of those players are better

he is not playing over TT and i believe 100% that penny is TT back up.

so really you are arguing about a guy who IMHO has no spot for PT
YOU are the one who started this huge thread about trading one guy who will have little PT for another who will have little PT.
i can't believe this thread is stil here. no disrespect BRIGGS, but most of your threads i enjoy and if i don't agree, i'll try to figure out your logic. now this one? nope. jerome's attitude is enough for me to want to keep him. that's something we have'nt had in years. plus i think ruben is more of a two anyway.
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10/1/2004  12:21 AM
it's common sense that isnt sinking or perhaps many havent watched Ruben play D on 2-3s.

again really we have MANY PFs of which JYD is the last on the list.

now it appears we are shelfing andersen for nothing which leaves us with 0 defensive wing players who can guard 2-3.


If we played

C-Nazr C Baker C Sundov/Bateer
PF Sweeetney PF thomas PF Williams
SF TT SF Penny
SG H2O SG Crawford
PG Marbury after that the talent drops off the table-we do have Brewer who is a defensive G but his offensive skills are CBA materail at best. Patterson is a 50% scorer hes tough physical athletic weighs 225--we have NOTHINg like that on our team. JYD is a 4 and he cant G2s or quick 3s. Ruben patterson guards guys like kobe as well a anyone. we dont haev a guy like that.
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10/1/2004  1:05 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

it's common sense that isnt sinking or perhaps many havent watched Ruben play D on 2-3s.

again really we have MANY PFs of which JYD is the last on the list.

now it appears we are shelfing andersen for nothing which leaves us with 0 defensive wing players who can guard 2-3.


If we played

C-Nazr C Baker C Sundov/Bateer
PF Sweeetney PF thomas PF Williams
SF TT SF Penny
SG H2O SG Crawford
PG Marbury after that the talent drops off the table-we do have Brewer who is a defensive G but his offensive skills are CBA materail at best. Patterson is a 50% scorer hes tough physical athletic weighs 225--we have NOTHINg like that on our team. JYD is a 4 and he cant G2s or quick 3s. Ruben patterson guards guys like kobe as well a anyone. we dont haev a guy like that.
No matter how many times you call Jerome a PF, it doesn't change the fact that he's an awesome defender at BOTH the SF and PF positions.
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10/1/2004  9:26 AM
i don't think BRIGGS was unreasonable in posting this trade idea...i think both players are very comparable in talent & skill...both have 3 years left on their deals at similar money (JYD has a team option for a 4th which likely won't be picked up), so salary isn't really the issue.

the only reason why i don't make this deal is because JYD is already familiar w/Lenny Wilkens, he's proven to be a team first player everywhere he's gone, & he's sure not to bring any off the court issues with him...also the fact that we are already deep at the 2 w/Houston, Crawford, Ariza & Shandon who can all play the position makes me want JYD all the more, since he can swing back & forth between PF & SF, whereas Ruben is more of a 2 who can defend the 3.

talent for talent, it's not such a bad trade...but the other factors are what makes JYD the more desirable player.

[Edited by - TMS on 10/01/2004 09:28:40]
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