It's like your saying Fiz did everything right, and the players are to blame. In the beginning of the season he talked about raising the level of their game, getting frank right, trey, Mario, Mudiay, Knox. Failed miserably at establishing anything, no roles, no system, no defense, no rotation, no offense.

Now you want to just chalk it up to these guys sucked(you knew that coming in). They also put them in a terrible position in order to tank. Or is it the FO put together a sorry ass squad purposely trying to be really bad.

Either way, how can that look good from the outside?

What makes matters worse, is that none of those guys were really press to comeback including Jordan

knicks1248 wrote:Where has the accountability gone

It's like your saying Fiz did everything right, and the players are to blame. In the beginning of the season he talked about raising the level of their game, getting frank right, trey, Mario, Mudiay, Knox. Failed miserably at establishing anything, no roles, no system, no defense, no rotation, no offense.

Now you want to just chalk it up to these guys sucked(you knew that coming in). They also put them in a terrible position in order to tank. Or is it the FO put together a sorry ass squad purposely trying to be really bad.

Either way, how can that look good from the outside?

What makes matters worse, is that none of those guys were really press to comeback including Jordan

Trying to develop players, whike trying to get zion is a losing situation for any coach. With that environment, he still made a fee player better, so he gets a pass from me. This season is where Fitz will be held accountable because theres no more tanking, and theres no zion. We have a team full of vets that are well respected and have a history of producing.

The pressure will be turned up this season. Fitz better produce some wins and sneak in the playoffs otherwise he will get scrutinised.

Previous eras with a different thought process are not part of this moment. We have our own agenda and opinions. Facts are this team is in for a long process.
Blame and outrage won't change a thing.

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Where has the accountability gone

It's like your saying Fiz did everything right, and the players are to blame. In the beginning of the season he talked about raising the level of their game, getting frank right, trey, Mario, Mudiay, Knox. Failed miserably at establishing anything, no roles, no system, no defense, no rotation, no offense.

Now you want to just chalk it up to these guys sucked(you knew that coming in). They also put them in a terrible position in order to tank. Or is it the FO put together a sorry ass squad purposely trying to be really bad.

Either way, how can that look good from the outside?

What makes matters worse, is that none of those guys were really press to comeback including Jordan

Trying to develop players, whike trying to get zion is a losing situation for any coach. With that environment, he still made a fee player better, so he gets a pass from me. This season is where Fitz will be held accountable because theres no more tanking, and theres no zion. We have a team full of vets that are well respected and have a history of producing.

The pressure will be turned up this season. Fitz better produce some wins and sneak in the playoffs otherwise he will get scrutinised.

This is where the league is heading for the next 5 yrs, and if you continue to spinning your wheels, players are going to demand trades to play with their homies..wouldn't be nice to have zion playing here with Barret

Despite not playing in an NBA regular season game yet, Zion Williamson is already being asked about potentially leaving New Orleans.

In a recent interview with Complex, the No.1 overall pick opened up about his new team, as well as his relationship with Knicks rookie RJ Barrett. Williamson was asked if he has ever thought about what it would be like to reunite at some point with his former Duke teammate.

"Yeah, we talked about it in college a lot," Williamson said. "We kinda talked about it as we were both going to get our careers started and see how it goes. I mean, if we can possibly link up in the future, that would be great. But we both understand that if things are going well in our prospective cities, we'll just kind of leave it there."

At Duke this past season, the pair had great success, going 32-6 overall and reaching the Elite Eight before falling to Michigan State. Barrett and Williamson both scored 22.6 points per game in 38 games and 33 games, respectively.

The idea of the two reuniting on an NBA court may have fans across the league salivating, especially Knicks fans, if Williamson were to make the move from New Orleans to New York someday.

But they shouldn't get their hopes up too much: Williamson said the goal is to stay put.

"Growing up, I loved what Kobe did and Dirk did... My intentions are to stay with the Pelicans my whole career," he said.

So to me it is imperative to put a winning product on the floor by any means, so we are not getting trash, and looked over

Thats what got us teams that werent good enough to get us beyond the first round, if we're lucky. And not bad enough to get us a high draft pick. Thats the definition of spinning your wheels. When KP demanded a trade the only good choice was to hit rock bottom, and rebuild with a high pick, hopefully Zion. We still got a quality pick, high in the draft. By not handing out long term deals to fading, often injured stars. By keeping their cap space for legit FAs, Perry/Mills are trying to move away from the Knicks old way of doin8g business. Not going to happen overnight, that part you seem to be missing.

Your suppose to see progress sooner than later, not 4 yrs after you take the job.

Teams are being built for 3 yr runs, with guys signing much shorter deals in today's NBA, stopping making it seem like we accomplish a great thing by signing 1yr deals..

the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

Is any of the PF/C we have better then cousins

knicks1248 wrote:the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

Is any of the PF/C we have better then cousins

You don't have a good command of basic facts.

What is the Bobby Portis contract vs Morris contract?

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

blkexec wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Where has the accountability gone

It's like your saying Fiz did everything right, and the players are to blame. In the beginning of the season he talked about raising the level of their game, getting frank right, trey, Mario, Mudiay, Knox. Failed miserably at establishing anything, no roles, no system, no defense, no rotation, no offense.

Now you want to just chalk it up to these guys sucked(you knew that coming in). They also put them in a terrible position in order to tank. Or is it the FO put together a sorry ass squad purposely trying to be really bad.

Either way, how can that look good from the outside?

What makes matters worse, is that none of those guys were really press to comeback including Jordan

Trying to develop players, whike trying to get zion is a losing situation for any coach. With that environment, he still made a fee player better, so he gets a pass from me. This season is where Fitz will be held accountable because theres no more tanking, and theres no zion. We have a team full of vets that are well respected and have a history of producing.

The pressure will be turned up this season. Fitz better produce some wins and sneak in the playoffs otherwise he will get scrutinised.

This is where the league is heading for the next 5 yrs, and if you continue to spinning your wheels, players are going to demand trades to play with their homies..wouldn't be nice to have zion playing here with Barret

Despite not playing in an NBA regular season game yet, Zion Williamson is already being asked about potentially leaving New Orleans.

In a recent interview with Complex, the No.1 overall pick opened up about his new team, as well as his relationship with Knicks rookie RJ Barrett. Williamson was asked if he has ever thought about what it would be like to reunite at some point with his former Duke teammate.

"Yeah, we talked about it in college a lot," Williamson said. "We kinda talked about it as we were both going to get our careers started and see how it goes. I mean, if we can possibly link up in the future, that would be great. But we both understand that if things are going well in our prospective cities, we'll just kind of leave it there."

At Duke this past season, the pair had great success, going 32-6 overall and reaching the Elite Eight before falling to Michigan State. Barrett and Williamson both scored 22.6 points per game in 38 games and 33 games, respectively.

The idea of the two reuniting on an NBA court may have fans across the league salivating, especially Knicks fans, if Williamson were to make the move from New Orleans to New York someday.

But they shouldn't get their hopes up too much: Williamson said the goal is to stay put.

"Growing up, I loved what Kobe did and Dirk did... My intentions are to stay with the Pelicans my whole career," he said.

So to me it is imperative to put a winning product on the floor by any means, so we are not getting trash, and looked over

Thats what got us teams that werent good enough to get us beyond the first round, if we're lucky. And not bad enough to get us a high draft pick. Thats the definition of spinning your wheels. When KP demanded a trade the only good choice was to hit rock bottom, and rebuild with a high pick, hopefully Zion. We still got a quality pick, high in the draft. By not handing out long term deals to fading, often injured stars. By keeping their cap space for legit FAs, Perry/Mills are trying to move away from the Knicks old way of doin8g business. Not going to happen overnight, that part you seem to be missing.

Your suppose to see progress sooner than later, not 4 yrs after you take the job.

Teams are being built for 3 yr runs, with guys signing much shorter deals in today's NBA, stopping making it seem like we accomplish a great thing by signing 1yr deals..

the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

If Bobby will not show improved defense he is gone so it is just 15 mils of Dolan money.
Who cares about that change? Not Dolan for sure.
It may be even less if we will package him in a trade at deadline. Nice chunk of salary to have.
As far as turnaround... why anyone would care about a group of marginal players we let go?
What was the possible use of them?
In your search of negativity you are losing the last piece of sense if you ever had one.

your missing the point..I personally couldn't giving a flying fck about any of the FA we let go..

The point is, it looks bad around the league

If you want to be an attractive destination you have to show that your running a solid program with stability, and players can turn their careers around because of your system, you guidance, your culture.

what part of that doesn't make sense..

Those were the words that came out of D Jordan's mouth when ask why he, irving and KD chose the Nets over the Knicks, remember when Iggy said no one(super stars) were going to the knicks..players know wtf is up..this not being negative, this is just the hard facts..

You here this talk about us all over the league, and you think it's some negative conspiracy..

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

Is any of the PF/C we have better then cousins

You don't have a good command of basic facts.

What is the Bobby Portis contract vs Morris contract?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/07/nba-best-worst-contracts-2019-offseason

I'm sorry i didn't post the link i got that from

Ok, the article was written before the Knicks agreed to a deal with Morris.

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

Is any of the PF/C we have better then cousins

You don't have a good command of basic facts.

What is the Bobby Portis contract vs Morris contract?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/07/nba-best-worst-contracts-2019-offseason

I'm sorry i didn't post the link i got that from

Ok, the article was written before the Knicks agreed to a deal with Morris.

I think we may get caught in no man's land at the trade deadline..

2 to 4 games out of the playoffs with 30 games left to play..

which direction to you go in, trade the expiring deals for assets, or keep pushing with the same group knowing your very close

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

Is any of the PF/C we have better then cousins

You don't have a good command of basic facts.

What is the Bobby Portis contract vs Morris contract?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/07/nba-best-worst-contracts-2019-offseason

I'm sorry i didn't post the link i got that from

Ok, the article was written before the Knicks agreed to a deal with Morris.

I think we may get caught in no man's land at the trade deadline..

2 to 4 games out of the playoffs with 30 games left to play..

which direction to you go in, trade the expiring deals for assets, or keep pushing with the same group knowing your very close

Depends on what is available on the market.
For NBA professionals (not for you and me) this is a business decision.
Obviously if the gain from the trade is marginal the chemistry and playoff push may be more important.
Life is complicated and NBA business is complex.
Leave it to professional to not look stupid and enjoy the games.

arkrud wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

martin wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:the Best and the worst of this off season

Best deals
JJ Redick — two years, $26.5 million
The modern NBA is all about shooters, and the guy who hit over three treys a game and totaled 18.1 ppg for the 76ers got an average of over $13 million a year? That feels like a steal even though he’s 35.

Tomas Satoransky — three years, $30 million
After taking over the injured John Wall, Satoransky looked every bit like a starting point guard in the NBA, and now he’ll get to be one with the Bulls for just $10 million per season. I would rather have him than Terry Rozier at $28 million more (see below).

Derrick Rose — two years, $15 million
Yes, he’s 30. Yes, he’s not the MVP he once was. But dude just scored 18.0 ppg for the Wolves. A nice get for the Pistons.

Isaiah Thomas — 1 year, $2.2 million
Same as Rose — he’s probably not what he once was, but he’ll prove he needs to be in a contender’s rotation by midseason on a minimum contract.

Kevon Looney — three years, $15 million
I’m wondering if the Warriors convinced one of their more important rotation players in the postseason to sign for less than he was worth because of their cap and tax situation, because that’s the only way I can explain this.

DeMarcus Cousins — 1 year, $3.5 million
He will end up being worth so much more than that and earn a long-term deal for it next summer.

Worst deals
Terry Rozier — three years, $58 million
The Hornets are hoping they get Scary Terry, but they’re banking A LOT on Rozier being the player he was for the Celtics in the 2018 playoffs. How good will he be on a bad team?

Khris Middleton — five years, $178 million
Let me start this off by saying I am a HUGE Middleton fan. He does a lot on both ends of the floor. But he’s being paid superstar money when he isn’t a superstar. It’s totally fine for the Bucks, who need Middleton to both keep Giannis Antetokounmpo happy and keep Milwaukee competing for a title. But without that context? It’s too much.

Ricky Rubio — three years, $51 million
We all know the Suns needed a point guard, but I just don’t think the veteran who isn’t the best of shooters will end up being worth that contract.

Bobby Portis — two years, $31 million
His numbers are great on paper (14.3 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 40.3 from three). But Marcus Morris (I know, he’s older) just signed for $11 million less.

Harrison Barnes — four years, $85 million
The Kings had to retain Barnes after trading for him, but that is way too much money for a player who is good, not great.

we somehow still made the worst list

I would have signed most of these guys for 2 yrs, and team option on a 3rd, that keeps players focus on building something this yr, and next, as opposed to playing for there next contract.

sounds to me that some of you think pressing the reset button every yr is the start of a great culture..lol

Is any of the PF/C we have better then cousins

You don't have a good command of basic facts.

What is the Bobby Portis contract vs Morris contract?

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/07/nba-best-worst-contracts-2019-offseason

I'm sorry i didn't post the link i got that from

Ok, the article was written before the Knicks agreed to a deal with Morris.

I think we may get caught in no man's land at the trade deadline..

2 to 4 games out of the playoffs with 30 games left to play..

which direction to you go in, trade the expiring deals for assets, or keep pushing with the same group knowing your very close

Depends on what is available on the market.
For NBA professionals (not for you and me) this is a business decision.
Obviously if the gain from the trade is marginal the chemistry and playoff push may be more important.
Life is complicated and NBA business is complex.
Leave it to professional to not look stupid and enjoy the games.

BigDaddyG wrote:

MS wrote:I think most people didn't like the fact that we essentially used our entire cap up on the first day of free agency. The only guy we should have rushed to do a deal with was Julius Randle. The Iggy trade was there for the taking, with an asset for future deals.

I am still confused as to why we bought out Noah and now have $6MM against the cap for three more years when he would have expired this offseason. I would rather have him playing backup minutes than Taj Gibson, especially since we were still paying him. When you need the cap space you can always attached assets to clear room, as we saw with the Clippers, Warriors and Nets. What's the rush is the real question.

I would have rather signed Shaun Livingston and Justin Holiday to shore up our backcourt and provide guidance and mentorship instead of another Perry reclamation project that is going to take minutes from Smith, Frank, Trier and Barrett.

Hard to build a culture with a constant revolving door, especially if it's guys like Payton and Portis that are playing for their futures. It makes finding the right rotation almost impossible as we have 13 interchangeable players. Fizdale needs all the help he can get and will be forced to give big minutes to Morris, Payton, Portis and Gibson.

I still think signing a playing like Vonleh to a cost effective 4 year deal similar to KOQ would have made a lot of sense. He still has runway to improve and had a lot of nice moments. Always can use a verstalie big at a good number, I am willing to bet he would have signed a 16MM deal over for to have a home.

I'm a little confused about Noah too. Maybe the fact that he was "too lit" for NY pushed him past the point of return in the front offices mind. I hear a lot about us missing out on the Iggy deal, but that assumed that GSW had us in mind in the first place. Who knows how long that deal was worked. The fact that we made so many signings immediately showed we had a strategy. Is it a good one? Time will tell. It's better than some of the chaotic moves we made in the past.