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6/24/2019  8:10 AM
There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

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6/24/2019  8:56 AM
knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

and others are saying nothing at all
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knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

What matters is if the losing is due to incompetence or if it's due to uncontrollable set backs. That's what logical people weigh.

If KP doesn't demand a trade. Then we probably sign Kyrie or Kemba etc to go with Barrett and the progression of Mitch. With Thjr also still in the fold. May have been a playoff team with that.

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6/24/2019  12:06 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

What matters is if the losing is due to incompetence or if it's due to uncontrollable set backs. That's what logical people weigh.

If KP doesn't demand a trade. Then we probably sign Kyrie or Kemba etc to go with Barrett and the progression of Mitch. With Thjr also still in the fold. May have been a playoff team with that.

Amazing how some fans need a fall guy to blame. Mills is easy. Or blame Melo for infecting KP's value system? Or Phil for Melo's No trade? Or Donnie for somehow tipping his desire for Curry as if they drafted him because Knicks wanted to?
Or all was ok but Hardaway's contract was killed the franchise?
The simple "oh woes is me" rainman1248 bile spew actually resonates with some of you?
Life is easy now. If the team is not doing stupid things good will come from this. In the process shyt happens.
GSW was steamrolling the league. They snapped in freaking half!
I think Durant MIGHT have a lock to come here. We prepared for it. He broke. Not sure its a good idea for him or us at this juncture. KP broke. I could not fathom a player of his stature and with this opportunity would be repulsed to turn this opportunity down to be the star of the knicks with cap space and draft picks! This guy had everything in place no player had since Ewing and we misstarphucked that one up. I missed KP repulsion entirely! Actually in his sad way Rainman1248 actually got it right that KP would not resign. Not by any knowledge other than a sad outlook. Kudo's to him for grabbing the award for "Broke Clock right twice a day"!
We did trade his ass so Rainman1248 just half right.
Do I need to blame this on one individual? Melo? Janis? How can I when I don't have all the facts. Unless I make shyt up.

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6/24/2019  12:39 PM
Nalod wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

What matters is if the losing is due to incompetence or if it's due to uncontrollable set backs. That's what logical people weigh.

If KP doesn't demand a trade. Then we probably sign Kyrie or Kemba etc to go with Barrett and the progression of Mitch. With Thjr also still in the fold. May have been a playoff team with that.

Amazing how some fans need a fall guy to blame. Mills is easy. Or blame Melo for infecting KP's value system? Or Phil for Melo's No trade? Or Donnie for somehow tipping his desire for Curry as if they drafted him because Knicks wanted to?
Or all was ok but Hardaway's contract was killed the franchise?
The simple "oh woes is me" rainman1248 bile spew actually resonates with some of you?
Life is easy now. If the team is not doing stupid things good will come from this. In the process shyt happens.
GSW was steamrolling the league. They snapped in freaking half!
I think Durant MIGHT have a lock to come here. We prepared for it. He broke. Not sure its a good idea for him or us at this juncture. KP broke. I could not fathom a player of his stature and with this opportunity would be repulsed to turn this opportunity down to be the star of the knicks with cap space and draft picks! This guy had everything in place no player had since Ewing and we misstarphucked that one up. I missed KP repulsion entirely! Actually in his sad way Rainman1248 actually got it right that KP would not resign. Not by any knowledge other than a sad outlook. Kudo's to him for grabbing the award for "Broke Clock right twice a day"!
We did trade his ass so Rainman1248 just half right.
Do I need to blame this on one individual? Melo? Janis? How can I when I don't have all the facts. Unless I make shyt up.

We have sucked on under mills and perry, no excuses

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6/24/2019  12:46 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

What matters is if the losing is due to incompetence or if it's due to uncontrollable set backs. That's what logical people weigh.

If KP doesn't demand a trade. Then we probably sign Kyrie or Kemba etc to go with Barrett and the progression of Mitch. With Thjr also still in the fold. May have been a playoff team with that.

Amazing how some fans need a fall guy to blame. Mills is easy. Or blame Melo for infecting KP's value system? Or Phil for Melo's No trade? Or Donnie for somehow tipping his desire for Curry as if they drafted him because Knicks wanted to?
Or all was ok but Hardaway's contract was killed the franchise?
The simple "oh woes is me" rainman1248 bile spew actually resonates with some of you?
Life is easy now. If the team is not doing stupid things good will come from this. In the process shyt happens.
GSW was steamrolling the league. They snapped in freaking half!
I think Durant MIGHT have a lock to come here. We prepared for it. He broke. Not sure its a good idea for him or us at this juncture. KP broke. I could not fathom a player of his stature and with this opportunity would be repulsed to turn this opportunity down to be the star of the knicks with cap space and draft picks! This guy had everything in place no player had since Ewing and we misstarphucked that one up. I missed KP repulsion entirely! Actually in his sad way Rainman1248 actually got it right that KP would not resign. Not by any knowledge other than a sad outlook. Kudo's to him for grabbing the award for "Broke Clock right twice a day"!
We did trade his ass so Rainman1248 just half right.
Do I need to blame this on one individual? Melo? Janis? How can I when I don't have all the facts. Unless I make shyt up.

We have sucked on under mills and perry, no excuses

bro.. I think you lost the password to your database again.
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6/24/2019  12:54 PM
Mills is like Sansa Stark. He is a slow learner but he learns.

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6/24/2019  1:03 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

What matters is if the losing is due to incompetence or if it's due to uncontrollable set backs. That's what logical people weigh.

If KP doesn't demand a trade. Then we probably sign Kyrie or Kemba etc to go with Barrett and the progression of Mitch. With Thjr also still in the fold. May have been a playoff team with that.

Amazing how some fans need a fall guy to blame. Mills is easy. Or blame Melo for infecting KP's value system? Or Phil for Melo's No trade? Or Donnie for somehow tipping his desire for Curry as if they drafted him because Knicks wanted to?
Or all was ok but Hardaway's contract was killed the franchise?
The simple "oh woes is me" rainman1248 bile spew actually resonates with some of you?
Life is easy now. If the team is not doing stupid things good will come from this. In the process shyt happens.
GSW was steamrolling the league. They snapped in freaking half!
I think Durant MIGHT have a lock to come here. We prepared for it. He broke. Not sure its a good idea for him or us at this juncture. KP broke. I could not fathom a player of his stature and with this opportunity would be repulsed to turn this opportunity down to be the star of the knicks with cap space and draft picks! This guy had everything in place no player had since Ewing and we misstarphucked that one up. I missed KP repulsion entirely! Actually in his sad way Rainman1248 actually got it right that KP would not resign. Not by any knowledge other than a sad outlook. Kudo's to him for grabbing the award for "Broke Clock right twice a day"!
We did trade his ass so Rainman1248 just half right.
Do I need to blame this on one individual? Melo? Janis? How can I when I don't have all the facts. Unless I make shyt up.

We have sucked on under mills and perry, no excuses

I responded to this:

There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

One does not need to understand metrological knowledge to know what the weather is.
But some people are intellectually curious about how things happen.
At the end of the day the weather is what it is. Its obvious. Look out side.
"a friend of mine ate well, exercised then got hit by a bus". Diet and exercise don't matter!
Well, statistically it does. Math will tell you not everyone will be effective by behavior. But take a wide sample and it does add up.

We have sucked on under mills and perry, no excuses
.....KP tore his ACL.......It happens. (GSW chip season got derailed at the end. It happens. bad things happen to good teams, Bad things happen to bad teams, even when they do the right thing). Is GSW going to change what has been working? Have the knicks changed from what was NOT WORKING over the last few years? We know "They are not winning despite doing the right things".
Its not my intent to insult you to submission but you are pretty consistent to keep it pretty simple with results based discussion.

Knicks suck. We see the record. Your not saying anything. We discuss nuances. Dissect the past to find out how we got here. You want to fire people and bring in new people. We have done that too. Team is doing things differently. That's hard for a results based person.

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6/24/2019  4:12 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/24/2019  4:14 PM
Nalod wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

What matters is if the losing is due to incompetence or if it's due to uncontrollable set backs. That's what logical people weigh.

If KP doesn't demand a trade. Then we probably sign Kyrie or Kemba etc to go with Barrett and the progression of Mitch. With Thjr also still in the fold. May have been a playoff team with that.

Amazing how some fans need a fall guy to blame. Mills is easy. Or blame Melo for infecting KP's value system? Or Phil for Melo's No trade? Or Donnie for somehow tipping his desire for Curry as if they drafted him because Knicks wanted to?
Or all was ok but Hardaway's contract was killed the franchise?
The simple "oh woes is me" rainman1248 bile spew actually resonates with some of you?
Life is easy now. If the team is not doing stupid things good will come from this. In the process shyt happens.
GSW was steamrolling the league. They snapped in freaking half!
I think Durant MIGHT have a lock to come here. We prepared for it. He broke. Not sure its a good idea for him or us at this juncture. KP broke. I could not fathom a player of his stature and with this opportunity would be repulsed to turn this opportunity down to be the star of the knicks with cap space and draft picks! This guy had everything in place no player had since Ewing and we misstarphucked that one up. I missed KP repulsion entirely! Actually in his sad way Rainman1248 actually got it right that KP would not resign. Not by any knowledge other than a sad outlook. Kudo's to him for grabbing the award for "Broke Clock right twice a day"!
We did trade his ass so Rainman1248 just half right.
Do I need to blame this on one individual? Melo? Janis? How can I when I don't have all the facts. Unless I make shyt up.

We have sucked on under mills and perry, no excuses

I responded to this:

There's no difference in being bad for 5 yrs with flexibility as opposed to being bad for 5 yrs with no flexibility..You are still bad either way

Some are applauding him for not trading draft picks (he'll draft them then trade them a yr or 2 later) and consistently putting together roster full of g leaguers

One does not need to understand metrological knowledge to know what the weather is.
But some people are intellectually curious about how things happen.
At the end of the day the weather is what it is. Its obvious. Look out side.
"a friend of mine ate well, exercised then got hit by a bus". Diet and exercise don't matter!
Well, statistically it does. Math will tell you not everyone will be effective by behavior. But take a wide sample and it does add up.

We have sucked on under mills and perry, no excuses
.....KP tore his ACL.......It happens. (GSW chip season got derailed at the end. It happens. bad things happen to good teams, Bad things happen to bad teams, even when they do the right thing). Is GSW going to change what has been working? Have the knicks changed from what was NOT WORKING over the last few years? We know "They are not winning despite doing the right things".
Its not my intent to insult you to submission but you are pretty consistent to keep it pretty simple with results based discussion.

Knicks suck. We see the record. Your not saying anything. We discuss nuances. Dissect the past to find out how we got here. You want to fire people and bring in new people. We have done that too. Team is doing things differently. That's hard for a results based person.

your one of the same people that thought the nets were stupid for trying to make the 8th seed only to get bounced out in the first round, which they did..

But now the same FA's that we were targeting are looking at the NETS as a better destination..

we completely wasted an entire season only 3rd pick..Not only did that make our players look terrible, it made the cooch and GM look super suspect

The nets took draft bust Russel and developed him into an above avg player, we signed draft bust and made them borderline worse..

mitch, trier, knox, frank, didn't see a minute of g league action..why?

NOLAD, Mils has no fckng experience building a team, none at all, so expect him to make a million bad moves or no moves before he figures it out..that's not good

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knicks1248 wrote:

I said Nets were stupid making 8th seed? Im the one telling Net haters who were spouting that nobody cares about them that they are sneaky good doing all the right things and have young pieces that can also be moved.
I dont' really care about them but don't let the hate blind.

MIlls hired perry to do the lifting. Every successful GM in the league started at some level having NOT BUILT A WINNER.
Perry worked in Detroit, Seattle, Orlando and brief in Sac. He was a coach too. He is respected. Might ask yourself why he is respected? Not every good mind comes from being an assistant. But he did work under Dumars and Presti. He saw some cool stuff. He also saw Darko? LOL!
Nets hired a guy that had been an assistant. He had the balls as a prerequisite to hold the owner accountable to a plan. Look it up. Understand why Mark succeeded and why it worked when it looked like a shyt show. Hired a coach that had not been a head coach. There was a plan. Your results oriented and would not think to consider this AT THE TIME HE GOT HIRED. Beyond your capacity, your all about "he worked for pop so it must have rubbed off". Its not that simple. Pop gave him the recommendation to nets but that strong language to stick to the plan was the big thing that pop did.
I don't hear you saying anything other than hindsight "We need the right guys and we need to win".
Brilliant. Nets floundered for two years, got a young base built up, then cleared space. They are ready to pounce.
You wanted AD. Not for that haul. And we don't have Lebron. Not our gig.
All Nalod is saying is we need to keep cultivating talent. You can't vision it. No imagination. Your results oriented. We get it.
We all want the last word. We don't get it. Team will sort it out.

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6/25/2019  9:45 AM
BTW for those that might not get it, 'results oriented' is a bad thing, not a good thing.
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i've never had any faith in mills. he seems like a smart, nice person that would be fine to hang around with as a colleague and would be dependable and conscientious but wouldn't contribute much that's gonna get you past where you already are.
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6/25/2019  11:04 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/25/2019  11:18 AM
Marv wrote:i've never had any faith in mills. he seems like a smart, nice person that would be fine to hang around with as a colleague and would be dependable and conscientious but wouldn't contribute much that's gonna get you past where you already are.

Your right. And as team president he should not have been the basketball architect. That was on Phil. The semantics of Mills being the defacto GM was a title alone. Really, I am fatigued dissecting Phil. Most of us can produce a Masters Thesis on the subject.
Now, being GM of basketball team is not rocket science. Hinkie was an outlier who like Nikoli Tesla (extreme comp, I know!) and his genius was not apparent for a while!
Mills need not inspire confidence but oversee a process and not deviate no matter what. Really. There is a mathematical understanding to this. Mills was not foolish to think the 14.5 chance of Zion was a done deal as fans spouting the tank were. The new draft is simple, you finish last your guaranteed a lottery pick no lower than 5. 45% chance your 4 or 5.
Remember when MDA had to dumb down his system because his players could not do it? Mills, Perry and Fiz did this with the kids. Let them get reps, learn the NBA and feel the NBA game. Rookies are inconsistent. Let them play thru it. Its an opportunity few teams can afford.

Knicks don't need a brand name gm brain surgeon. Don't trade picks, in fact develop excess talent and get more picks. Some teams are doing this. At some point you can trade up, or down. Picks are opportunities. This is how SAS got Kawhi. draft George Hill at the 30, trade him for the 15, develop Kawhai. I wonder what internet chatter was about George Hill after his rookie season? Parker was benched! Pop had the cred to pull that off! That move gets you a chip. It galvanized Pop's cred. Long run they get Derozen and change in return. Not fair? If he walks they got Zero. Toronto might get zero. They put all their chips in the middle and went all in. They created an opportunity and got to the finals. GSW then broke. There might be other teams that might have beaten them in a 7 games series. But they had to get there. Kawhi walks was it worth it? Of course it was. If they get bounced by the Bucks, perhaps not.
Knicks did better trading KP then what Philly got for Okafor or Lakers got for D'angelo Russell. Even after he blows out his knee, rapes his neighbor and diva's out on us. We have the opportunity for cap space to sign and Durant was sending some love our way for a long time. We created the opportunity. Nobody saw Durant breaking. KP traded turned into DSjr, a fine prospect. Or, "Opportunity". We got two 1st round picks. Maybe one turns into the next generational sensation like MVP Giannis became? Or maybe a bust. But we get two more opportunities to draft.
West, Buford, Presti, Morey, Eddie Donovan, etc etc all had busts. They are not known for their mistakes, but for what they did. And they first needed opportunities! I have faith in opportunity. If Mills is the administrator of this I'm ok with this. Hires talented GM and coaches beneath him. Using math and science to create opportunity is simple really. The hard part is picking who to draft, trade, FA's etc. Its made easier if you have more opportunities.

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6/25/2019  3:02 PM
Getting more opportunities is a trend.... see what Atlanta did this draft... and the haul the Pelicans got for Anthony Davis. There's very little certainty in the draft, the only certainty is you need lots of picks to get someone good, and the pick doesn't have to be a high pick, it can be middle or low, or even undrafted. We need to build a winning culture, that means player development, making smart moves, stable management, and drafting well. There's so much luck and variability in drafting that you almost need to focus on the other stuff first, rather than focusing on the draft.... the draft comes at the end really.
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6/26/2019  3:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/26/2019  3:45 PM
I do believe that it is a worthwhile point of pride that the top Knick executives are black. However that doesn't speak to the track record of basketball decision making and vision.

Mills has been here since forever. It wasn't him that got Dolan to back off--that was Phil Jackson. "He's letting Perry run things." Yes. Not an uncommon accomplishment. When we speak of the new regime, with a new approach, moving the Knicks in the right direction by making good basketball decisions (including cap management), it's not Mills driving that. Yes he's going along with it, but he went along with other stuff that sucked. Is he a bad guy? No way. But if there's a new Knick regime it's Perry and his team. Though PJax was insane and ultimately a horrible GM/President, it was he who first prioritized retaining draft picks, not Mills or Perry. PJax actually drafted pretty well, but made bad signings/trades. He was delusional about the magic of the Triangle. All the while Mills just sings the company line, doesn't matter who's driving the bus.

Mills may not mess it up, but he sure isn't a big reason by himself to be excited by the Knick FO.

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nychamp wrote:I do believe that it is a worthwhile point of pride that the top Knick executives are black. However that doesn't speak to the track record of basketball decision making and vision.

Mills has been here since forever. It wasn't him that got Dolan to back off--that was Phil Jackson. "He's letting Perry run things." Yes. Not an uncommon accomplishment. When we speak of the new regime, with a new approach, moving the Knicks in the right direction by making good basketball decisions (including cap management), it's not Mills driving that. Yes he's going along with it, but he went along with other stuff that sucked. Is he a bad guy? No way. But if there's a new Knick regime it's Perry and his team. Though PJax was insane and ultimately a horrible GM/President, it was he who first prioritized retaining draft picks, not Mills or Perry. PJax actually drafted pretty well, but made bad signings/trades. He was delusional about the magic of the Triangle. All the while Mills just sings the company line, doesn't matter who's driving the bus.

Mills may not mess it up, but he sure isn't a big reason by himself to be excited by the Knick FO.


What do you know about Mill's role with the team since he's been here "forever."

Most of Mill's work at MSG is operations and running the place. It not been building the basketball team. Surely he's been involved at times between Phil/Perry but if you look at the basketball moves that have Mill's fingerprints on them what do you come up with?

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6/27/2019  7:55 AM
What I know is what I posted. He's been a bystander who's gone along with Dolan, Thomas, Jackson and whoever else was making basketball decisions and not a difference making prime mover type guy. And he signed Hardaway to a not great deal when he was in a position to do that kind of thing. You wanna tell me he's a mean operations guy, runs an arena like no other, fine I'm willing to believe that. But that isn't building a winning team. Are we talking business or winning basketball? I have no interest in the former with respect to the Knicks, I just care about the quality of the team.

Are you privy to the Knick brass's decision making process and know how Mills is integral to the on court success of the team? If so, please enlighten. I'm just a regular guy who watches the games and follows the sport, just like most everybody here I think. All of us are making assumptions about who does what behind the scenes, no?

I'm not trying to trash Mills, I'm just saying if there's a new regime it ain't him it must be Perry.

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nychamp wrote:What I know is what I posted. He's been a bystander who's gone along with Dolan, Thomas, Jackson and whoever else was making basketball decisions and not a difference making prime mover type guy. And he signed Hardaway to a not great deal when he was in a position to do that kind of thing. You wanna tell me he's a mean operations guy, runs an arena like no other, fine I'm willing to believe that. But that isn't building a winning team. Are we talking business or winning basketball? I have no interest in the former with respect to the Knicks, I just care about the quality of the team.

Are you privy to the Knick brass's decision making process and know how Mills is integral to the on court success of the team? If so, please enlighten. I'm just a regular guy who watches the games and follows the sport, just like most everybody here I think. All of us are making assumptions about who does what behind the scenes, no?

I'm not trying to trash Mills, I'm just saying if there's a new regime it ain't him it must be Perry.


First off if he had different role at different times and was not in a position of influence on personnel decisions then there is not a single constant. His what many of us freaks have read is his only time flying solo was Oct 2013 until say February of 2014 when Phil was hired. Then Briefly in JUly to august two years ago when he signed Hardaway. Despite the popular notion this was a cap franchise killing move the guy was not that bad nor his contract that awful. It’s all been discussed at length.

Mills played professional basketball in Ecuador for a year.[2] He worked for the National Basketball Association for sixteen years beginning in 1984 after having worked at Chemical Bank. Mills ascension while at the NBA was notable. He was an account executive in the corporate sponsorship department of NBA properties and program manager for NBA properties. He became vice-president of special events, after which he was senior vice-president of Basketball and Player Development,[3] Mills then became Chief operating officer and Sports Business President of Madison Square Garden in 2003.[4] His duties at MSG included supervising day-to-day operations, including finances, business strategies of the NBA's New York Knicks, NHL's New York Rangers and the WNBA's New York Liberty. All sports related activities were under his jurisdiction, including boxing, college basketball and track & field.

In 2009, Mills left MSG and joined Magic Johnson Enterprises where he helped create the Athletes & Entertainers Wealth Management Group, LLC (A&E).[5] of which he was a partner.[6]

On September 26, 2013, the New York Knicks announced Mills would be the executive vice president and general manager of the organization.[7]

On July 14, 2017, after announcing that Scott Perry would become the Knicks' newest general manager, the Knicks also announced Mills would be the new president of the organization, replacing the role that was previously held by Phil Jackson.

He came in at the end of the Layden era and left before Isiah.
While nobody is absolving the teams lack of success or trying to rewrite history, it stands to reason the one quesion: “WHY FAITH”?

Simple, the process is changing and MIlls is hiring the right people. Nobody said it was guaranteed.
Bringing in new people might work but its an open concept. The assets, picks, cap space etc doe not change at that moment. Knicks might not walk out with the big summer we had hoped but every single important FA will hear us. That itself is very different than any time in the last 20 some odd years. We in the game. No chance unless your at least in the game.

Mills influence prior to his presidency has been over estimated and the flashpoint for fans needed a figure to blame. The sole architect of that pain has been Dolan inept management. He signs the checks and decides the direction of the team. Donnie could not add staff yet we blame him for a 100mm contract to Amare? Well noted Dolan jumped and took over negotiating with Denver for Melo.

Can we lame Mills for Durants heal? For Kyries flakiness?, 14.5% odds of Zion?, and Dolans pettiness to the media? Only question of character I see is why the hell he works for this arsehole!!

Knicks are about to embark on just the second off season for Perry and are controlling what they can control which is put the franchise in a position to succeed. KP for all the reasons we know was a huge setback. Teams need at least one organically grown star to pair with others gotten either by FA or draft. Boston had Pierce, Miami had Wade, GSW grew three THEN added Durant. BUlls Drafted core Jordan and Pippen, Lakers traded Divac for rights to draft Kobe. Then they bought in Shaq. Toronto had Derozen to make deal for Kawhi. Amare had one good season which ended with his back and grudge against a fire extinguisher. The trade for melo itself was not horrible but we reduced other opportunities to organically grow that desired core star player.
Not to say this is the only formula to contend, but its pretty obvious its a good path.
Core potential is Mitch, Knox and RJ. Neither is surefire to happen. But its three more than we had a few years ago.

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6/27/2019  9:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/27/2019  9:27 AM
Knicks have 70mil in cap, 7 first round picks over the next 5 years, and 5-7 prospects on their current roster.

Knicks have never had this type of assets, cap, and flexibility combination since I have been following them. Which says that something is different here. Barrett is the highest pick the Knicks have obtained since drafting Ewing in “84” 35 years ago.

The fact that we have gotten this far shows that something is different today then the past. Mills may have even been the cause of all the problems of the past. If he learned from his mistakes and builds something of substance here today and going forward, good. I don’t need blood for past misery. I just need them to keep their **** together.

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Why do people have any faith in Mills?

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