SupremeCommander wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:fishmike wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:fishmike wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:fishmike wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:I am beyond shocked he wasn't moved during the draft
why? Based on Berman's reports? There is no reason to trade this kid. Makes no sense. You work another year with him and keep him healthy. He's going to be 21. I mean why give up on a kid with his skills, size and no attitude problems? You keep him in the mix. Defensive stoppers with PG skills are worth developing.
lol, you're demanding evidence for my statement, yet what empirical evidence do we have that he is a legitimate NBA player? Oh, yeah, his 0.4 DWS was CERTAINLY a hallmark of a great defensive player 
. Oh yeah, his negative win shares in both years inspires hope. No attitude problems? are you kidding me? That kid is constantly down on himself and his environment.
but sure, come out guns blazing. Like I'm the problem here. Just because everyone wants him to be a player--INCLUDING MYSELF--doesn't mean that he's a good NBA player. Because the honest truth is he is a bigger lottery bust than Michael Sweetney:
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▲ Player From To G MP PER TS% 3PAr FTr ORB% DRB% TRB% AST% STL% BLK% TOV% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
1 Frank Ntilikina 2018 2019 121 2610 6.7 .430 .348 .125 2.0 9.0 5.5 19.8 1.8 1.1 18.5 16.8 -3.2 1.5 -1.8 -0.032 -3.8 -0.7 -4.5 -1.7
2 Mike Sweetney 2004 2005 119 2003 16.6 .580 .003 .500 13.8 19.8 16.8 4.9 1.2 1.5 16.4 19.6 3.5 1.8 5.2 .126 -0.7 -1.1 -1.8 0.1
Just because you say it louder don't make it truer
and just before you misrepresent me, I have often advocated holding onto Frank because his value is nothing. There is more to gain by him improving than there is by getting a secodn rounder for him. But, again, I am surprised that he wasn't dealt. Apparently the Frank fanboys have meltdowns when they hear that
misrepresent? You LOLed at something I didnt say. Saying "be patient" after 2 years is a Frank meltdown? Am I new to some longer running conversation because what I wrote and what you responded have very little to do with each other
You literally based what I said on a Berman report. Hi practice what you preach
you still in a state of beyond shock or you good now?Well yea... like what did you actually say? You regurgitated a tabloid rumor that has been circulating for weeks, added no new color or personal angle but did add emotion that is very tabloid like, unless you actually were wandering around in a state of beyond shock. (pretty sure you were cool 
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Nobody is saying Frank has been great. Nobody is saying Frank will be great. Are we rebuilding? We are developing players? Is Frank a 20 year old 6'6 kid with some PG skills and defensive chops? Is our commitment to him prohibiting another player's growth? I am glad he's still in the fold and hopefully a standout in the international competition.
Its not even that I am a Frank fan, its the player type. Long defensive team first guy... I just want him to play well for us.
I am beyond shocked he is with the team. How that proves any of your hypocrisy is beyond me. He was not Perry's pick. He has been awful. Like historically awful. And apparently other teams were interested in him at the deadline. So, yeah, I am beyond shocked. But hey I get it, you have a type or something.
The value being offered in return didn't match up for Perry's liking. Based on what was being offered its probably more worth it to keep him and see if he can improve given his age. Frank doing well would greatly benefit the Knicks in numerous ways. I can see the logic for those looking to find reasons to why he can turn it around. I don't see the logic behind those being upset that he isn't moved though. Its one thing if he was holding up a trade or something. But he isn't holding the Knicks hostage with a long term contract. If non of the top tier FAs come. Knicks will have 70mil in cap making his 5mil in salary a non issue. He will have to work his way to getting mins based on his own hard work.
So if the offers are trash, and his possible potential contribution given he is still young outweighs what teams are offering. Knicks lose nothing by keeping trying to get him right on the back end. What exactly is the issue??
I'm shocked is because through his first two seasons, fat, weak Michael Sweetney was a better defender. The only reason Frank is on the roster is because he's a former lotto pick. That's the only reason. he was legitimately awful last year. He is anemic on offense and for a guy who is supposed to be some elite defender to have 0.4 DWS is bush league.
To answer your question, the issue is that I see no reason why Frank should take minutes from anyone on this roster or any d league call ups for that matter. Imagine if Frank was on the roster in 2011-2012. We wouldn't have had Linsanity because that roster spot was occupied by dead weight. Again, I keep saying we are kinda backed into a corener and need to keep him because we need him to rehab his value. But he's been a complete bust and unless he gets his **** together he will very likely be the worst draft pick in NY Knicks history
Your first paragraph didn't really touch on anything I stated. But he had a poor year last year no debating and was plagued with injuries. But if there was a better move to make with Frank at the current moment then I am sure Perry would have made it.
The new season hasn't even started yet. He hasn't taken any mins from anyone on the roster for games that haven't been played yet. I doubt he will unless it justified by him beating someone out. There is no pressure on Perry or Fizz to play Frank if he doesn't show something for this to be an issue. Knicks also acquired and brought up Kadeem Allen last season and have had no issues with bringing players in and moving them up. Just like they did with Trey Burke during Franks rookie year. Or trading for Mudiay at the break or targeting Smith in the KP trade. There has never been a time where Frank stopped the Knicks from making moves, or bringing players in, or moving players up. Thats just not how this FO has opperated.
Regardless of how Frank performed last season. The Knicks FO will monitor his off season progress. If there is no justificaton to move him they will then look at him at training camp and pre season. They will then make decisions based on how Frank performs and what the best route for the Knicks to take with him moving forward.
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