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6/21/2019  7:30 AM
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

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6/21/2019  7:44 AM
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StarksEwing1 wrote:There were two players that would of been perfect. Obviously one was Zion and the other is Barrett. Both wanted to come here, which shows that NY is still seen as attractive. But RJ really fits well with our future. Yes there are things he needs to work on but he is still a kid. I love his attitude all around

We were dependent on what Memphis did, or course, but I had no real feel for anyone but Barrett at this spot.

Might have done the Atlanta trade for 8 & 10, but don't know about the depth of this draft.

You dont tank and get a top 3 pick to "Add depth" IMO. You do so to get a player who "May" be a franchise player. Think RJ has the most pedigree to be that type of player. Thought RJ and Zion were the only ones in this years draft that may be "Elite" in NBA. Now lets hope thats the case. With the draft you just never know but it ussually turns out best when teams dont ober think things or reach. Sure, you can miss on the Steph Currys but how many times have you seen teams reach and pass on "best available" and get burned. In any case, I really think we are finally headed in the right direction. Fingers crossed.

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6/21/2019  9:54 AM    LAST EDITED: 6/21/2019  9:54 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

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HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.
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Even though I’ve voiced my numerous concerns for RJ one reason I think there’s a good chance he pans out in the long run is that he genuinely really wants to be here. You can tell from the genuine fire in his attitude that he wants to work really hard to bring NY back to winning ways and I think it will go along way to helping him develop here we just gotta give him the same energy.
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6/21/2019  10:13 AM
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.

I would be surprised if Frank was locked into 21 minutes a game like he has been his first two years unless something changes with him. I don't know if there were opportunities for a Frank trade last night. My guess is he will be available for a league minimum deal after next season if a team wants him and he doesn't go back to europe. I can't see the Knicks picking up his option in October. Frank's opportunity to have a career with the Knicks and in the nba may have passed him by.
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6/21/2019  10:38 AM
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.

I hope this isn't the course. Fizz is still a young coach and I hope he is still growing and learning. I think last year he was hoping to transform Frank into some kind of star. Unfortunately they took away his biggest strength (guarding the point), and asked him to do more about his weakness (being aggressive to the hoop, etc.)

I think it's more than reasonable to envision Frank in a Marcus Smart role with a better jump shot (not know but at least he has that potential) That kind of role can be very valuable when you already have a bunch of more-than willing (perhaps too willing) shooters on the team in KK, RJ, DSJ and whoever in FA

We also need to keep in mind that winning cures a lot of ills. We have been horrible for so long that we look at each player and find their faults. Last season, the coach made players play through their faults. Hopefully this was a secret plan and not dumb coaching. Hopefully we get a system in place that emphasizes each player's strengths. Frank's at the moment is pick and roll defense against the point. Last year they played him off point; his defense plummeted; his offense plummeted; and his confidence cratered.

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6/21/2019  11:04 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.

I would be surprised if Frank was locked into 21 minutes a game like he has been his first two years unless something changes with him. I don't know if there were opportunities for a Frank trade last night. My guess is he will be available for a league minimum deal after next season if a team wants him and he doesn't go back to europe. I can't see the Knicks picking up his option in October. Frank's opportunity to have a career with the Knicks and in the nba may have passed him by.

I just don't see where you going to find minutes for him. I said the same thing about baker last yr about this time..

The only reason he's still a knicks is because Perry and mills can't believe how little value he has.

I really hope that this FO put some really solid players around RJ, and not do what they did with KP, FRANk, and Knox

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6/21/2019  11:13 AM
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.

I would be surprised if Frank was locked into 21 minutes a game like he has been his first two years unless something changes with him. I don't know if there were opportunities for a Frank trade last night. My guess is he will be available for a league minimum deal after next season if a team wants him and he doesn't go back to europe. I can't see the Knicks picking up his option in October. Frank's opportunity to have a career with the Knicks and in the nba may have passed him by.

I'm wondering where Frank gets the minutes...

Pg DSJ/Allen/Frank?
Sg Barrett/Dotson/Trier/Frank?
Sf Knox/Barrett/Frank/Jenkins
Pf ?/ Kornet?
C Robinson / Kornet

Obviously, the Knicks will add a few more pieces to fill out the roster. Amir Henton is another guard that the Knicks added and dude can ball. Uphill battle for Frank.
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martin wrote:

Big time numbers! Just goes to show that he will a complete player, not just a one dimensional scorer! We got ourselves a gem!!!
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martin wrote:so much savvy

He should have finished with “but yea I do”😀.

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Uptown wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.

I would be surprised if Frank was locked into 21 minutes a game like he has been his first two years unless something changes with him. I don't know if there were opportunities for a Frank trade last night. My guess is he will be available for a league minimum deal after next season if a team wants him and he doesn't go back to europe. I can't see the Knicks picking up his option in October. Frank's opportunity to have a career with the Knicks and in the nba may have passed him by.

I'm wondering where Frank gets the minutes...

Pg DSJ/Allen/Frank?
Sg Barrett/Dotson/Trier/Frank?
Sf Knox/Barrett/Frank/Jenkins
Pf ?/ Kornet?
C Robinson / Kornet

Obviously, the Knicks will add a few more pieces to fill out the roster. Amir Henton is another guard that the Knicks added and dude can ball. Uphill battle for Frank.

The beauty of it is he will have to beat out those guys and work his way toward mins. If he does then we have ourselves a player.

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6/21/2019  12:30 PM
Hard to believe he is only 19. Kid has a great attitude and outlook.
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StarksEwing1 wrote:Hard to believe he is only 19. Kid has a great attitude and outlook.

Steve Nash is his godfather! He's been well groomed for this from the start. Thrilled to have him and his talents. Love coach K saying he can play 1-4
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HofstraBBall wrote:
CleaverGreene wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:There were two players that would of been perfect. Obviously one was Zion and the other is Barrett. Both wanted to come here, which shows that NY is still seen as attractive. But RJ really fits well with our future. Yes there are things he needs to work on but he is still a kid. I love his attitude all around

We were dependent on what Memphis did, or course, but I had no real feel for anyone but Barrett at this spot.

Might have done the Atlanta trade for 8 & 10, but don't know about the depth of this draft.

You dont tank and get a top 3 pick to "Add depth" IMO. You do so to get a player who "May" be a franchise player. Think RJ has the most pedigree to be that type of player. Thought RJ and Zion were the only ones in this years draft that may be "Elite" in NBA. Now lets hope thats the case. With the draft you just never know but it ussually turns out best when teams dont ober think things or reach. Sure, you can miss on the Steph Currys but how many times have you seen teams reach and pass on "best available" and get burned. In any case, I really think we are finally headed in the right direction. Fingers crossed.


Don't get me wrong...I'm very happy with Barrett. I might even have more doubts about Zion than RJ in this league. Not impossible that Morant and Barrett will be better in the NBA than Zion, though I not making any bets on this yet.

Comes down to whether you think he is a franchise player. If the Knicks' brass thinks he is, then you take him, no questions asked. If not, the Atlanta 8 & 10 trade might have been OK in my eyes.

He also wanted to be here, which made me more happy that we got him.

He has supposedly worked on changing the position of his right hand when he shoots, which hopefully makes a difference. He has good court vision and is a decent rebounder. We might even see some triple doubles from him, eventually.

Can wait to see him in SL for a first look.

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6/21/2019  1:59 PM
Vmart wrote:
Knicksfan wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:I know I'm alone here but a frank and RJ would be huge. RJ can be ball dominant and frank can lock people up

Dont think we should give up on Frank but what about his play and confidence shown on the offensive side makes you feel he deserves to be more than a role bench player. Been hearing this since the night he was drafted and he has yet to show it. Think the Knicks have already come to the same realization. Reason why it was rumored they werw trying to flip him for a 2nd.

Yet we moved up in the second round and still held on to him.

I understand the disappointment in Frank and still having hope in him seems crazy at this point. He did survive draft night.

I'm curious about the influence a guy like Barrett could have in him. Barrett seems like the right amount of humility and confidence along with an aggressive game. He speaks french which could make Frank more comfortable.

I'd hold on to Frank and see what kind of influence Barrett can have.

It’s all about opportunities. Basically it’s really up to Frank to be great. The definition of a good player within the NYK system right now means shoot until you arm falls off. Frank can’t go into games think about his teammates they are secondary. There is no place on the Knicks for a team player. If anything I hope we get Fizzled out of here and implement a system where all the players have the knack for passing.


New around here...but I have the same feeling about Fizdale as a coach. I'm hoping that he's matured as a HC. Maybe he watched GS have 37 credited assists on 40 baskets during the finals and that changed him.

I'm not sure Ntilikina is the kind of player who can thrive in the "system" I saw last year, though.

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Uptown wrote:
martin wrote:

Big time numbers! Just goes to show that he will a complete player, not just a one dimensional scorer! We got ourselves a gem!!!


Hope he can firm up his D and make his shot more consistent.

Are we looking at him as a SG or SF, 5 years down the line, assuming we haven't traded him for a frequently injured veteran before that.

Are we looking at him as a primary ball handler at some point the "positionless" world of Fizball?

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