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dwiley20
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6/16/2018  8:25 AM
Welpee wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would give up everyone except Frank and KP. The spurs had their own young PG in Murray, so they might not demand Frank. Give the 9th pick, the 36th pick, and maybe a 2020 1st rounder and Burke and Dotson.
Even if the Spurs were remotely interested in this deal how are you going to match Leonard's $17 million salary to make the deal work financially?


We have cap space to eat it we wouldn't need to match 17 million.

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6/16/2018  10:05 AM
dwiley20 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would give up everyone except Frank and KP. The spurs had their own young PG in Murray, so they might not demand Frank. Give the 9th pick, the 36th pick, and maybe a 2020 1st rounder and Burke and Dotson.
Even if the Spurs were remotely interested in this deal how are you going to match Leonard's $17 million salary to make the deal work financially?


We have cap space to eat it we wouldn't need to match 17 million.

we don't have cap space unless Kanter opts out and we renounce him.

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6/16/2018  11:20 AM
Cartman718 wrote:Now this I'd sign off on..

And not one single one of the teams in the deal would sign off...lol

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6/16/2018  11:24 AM
franco12 wrote:
dwiley20 wrote:
Welpee wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would give up everyone except Frank and KP. The spurs had their own young PG in Murray, so they might not demand Frank. Give the 9th pick, the 36th pick, and maybe a 2020 1st rounder and Burke and Dotson.
Even if the Spurs were remotely interested in this deal how are you going to match Leonard's $17 million salary to make the deal work financially?


We have cap space to eat it we wouldn't need to match 17 million.

we don't have cap space unless Kanter opts out and we renounce him.


How Much Salary Space do we have available if Kanter opts in or out?

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6/16/2018  1:09 PM
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6/16/2018  1:11 PM
Do not need to trade for Kawhi, after a season get him for free.
PS: KP and Frank is untouchable!
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6/16/2018  2:57 PM
Welpee wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would give up everyone except Frank and KP. The spurs had their own young PG in Murray, so they might not demand Frank. Give the 9th pick, the 36th pick, and maybe a 2020 1st rounder and Burke and Dotson.
Even if the Spurs were remotely interested in this deal how are you going to match Leonard's $17 million salary to make the deal work financially?

Burke and Dotson are just the young players to make the deal attractive. To make it work, you throw in Lee or THJ, depending on who the spurs want. So deal would be 2 1st round picks, a devein round pick, Burke, Dotson, and Lee for Kawhi. That is more than enough to get this deal done.

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6/16/2018  7:50 PM
doomed wrote:
TheGame wrote:I would give up everyone except Frank and KP. The spurs had their own young PG in Murray, so they might not demand Frank. Give the 9th pick, the 36th pick, and maybe a 2020 1st rounder and Burke and Dotson.

Everything except KP and Frank = nothing.

The 9th, 36th and “maybe” a 2020 pick??

You’re trying to get a stud for complete trash.

Are you sure? I think Pops would go for Trey Burke and Mudiay. No?
Surely they are higher picks than Frank, they can score at will, such absolute steals by Perry. Add THJR and ho can refuse that package?

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6/16/2018  8:25 PM
The fact San Antonio has said KL wants out has down graded what teams are willing to offer. Why on earth would a team give San Antonio anything of value for KL they know he wants out and he’s a expiring contract. Knowing KL is leaving regardless of a trade or not a low ball offer is all SA will get . I’d offer Mudiay and our 2nd round pick. We know we have a shot at him next year regardless. I’d wait, even next year with KL we are a lottery team. Laugh at SA and say we will wait till he hits FA . There is no reason to offer anything of value for KL
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6/16/2018  9:29 PM
fitzfarm wrote:The fact San Antonio has said KL wants out has down graded what teams are willing to offer. Why on earth would a team give San Antonio anything of value for KL they know he wants out and he’s a expiring contract. Knowing KL is leaving regardless of a trade or not a low ball offer is all SA will get . I’d offer Mudiay and our 2nd round pick. We know we have a shot at him next year regardless. I’d wait, even next year with KL we are a lottery team. Laugh at SA and say we will wait till he hits FA . There is no reason to offer anything of value for KL


Baseline points

A) Leonard never filed with the NBAPA regarding any issue with his medical care and his injury and any conflict with the Spurs as a franchise regarding his medical care and recovery. There is no incentive NOT to do this, as if Leonard did suffer a catastrophic injury, a good chunk of his salary is covered by insurance ( the way Chris Bosh's current payout from the Heat is covered in a large way by insurance) But you are only covered if you follow protocols outlining the franchises duty, your duty as a player and member of the NBAPA and the leagues duty to oversee the health of its players.

If there was as true dispute to Leonards health and the Spurs role in it, the NBAPA would already be involved, and they would file with the league administration to use an approved medical panel to determine Leonard's health. Part of this is fallout from the new "Chris Bosh Rule" and much of that rule wasn't just about Chris Bosh, but also how Tracy McGrady held the Rockets hostage during the Yao Ming/McGrady Rockets era.

The Spurs have no incentive in place to jerk Leonard around regarding his health. To do so would destroy their reputation, face league sanction and incur massive legal liability.

B) If you do not accrue "service time", at some level during a NBA calendar year, your control will "toll" Meaning your contract status stays the same until you do accrue said service time. Suspensions put a hold on service time. Leonard is not going to report to the Spurs next season. He's burned bridges and if he didn't file with the NBAPA, it means he can't legitimately show any actionable cause against the Spurs regarding his health care. He shows up and plays, it outs him for dogging it. He doesn't show up, they suspend him until he does, and if it's long enough, his contract "tolls" and he remains a Spur next year as well. It opens up in public he's dogging it and/or he's suspended, he's endorsement poison. If he wanted a huge shoe deal, he won't get it that way.

C) The league administration takes none too kindly to teams jerking around on players health. This is a larger labor issue in play. They also don't take kindly to players who are healthy but refuse to play to manipulate the current system. Those networks that pay BILLIONS to broadcast NBA games want those elite players on TV and on the court to push ratings. Leonard pushes this too far, what will happen is every game moving forward, every ref will turn his back on him. Want to watch a fourth string power forward clothesline Leonard, then kick him in the head on the ground, then have the refs just walk the other way? The brands have no interest in getting into the middle of all that, so any player dumb enough to push this too far will be in brand Siberia.

Dogging it on the court is one thing. Being a coach killer or a diva is another. Messing with the NBAs BOTTOM LINE IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO THE LEAGUE.

Leonard is going to get traded. He's going to have to agree to an extension with some team who wants to trade for him. Every team? No. But he can't deny them all. Otherwise he'd have to report to the Spurs next season.

The NBAPA and the owners are not going to want to drag out the Leonard issue to the point where it starts breeding issues that will rise up during the next labor war after this current CBA expires.

If you believe the Spurs have no leverage, that's not true. Not even close. Leonard has to be off that roster during the offseason at some point. The Spurs so far have shown massive restraint. If Leonard wants to engage in a full blown PR war, they can simply start releasing things to the press via "sources" It could be true, it could be false, it could rumor, in any case, Leonard could be run over in the court of public opinion in a matter of weeks.

What Leonard's uncle, Dennis Robertson, is doing is purely amateurish. He doesn't understand league politics and it shows here. It makes no sense for the Spurs to "mismanage" Leonard's health. None. There is no functional reason to do so. The league is set up and the NBAPA is set up exactly so no team can actually do so. The rules were changed so no one can do so. There were problem three or four ways to get Leonard to the Lakers and Dennis Robertson apparently chose the dumbest possible option.

Dejounte Murray is a Klutch Sports client. That is another problem the Spurs are going to have to deal with very soon. The reports are saying the Lakers and Clippers to try stave off future tampering claims. Leonard is under current contract with the Spurs. Clear tampering is going on. The league will turn it's head if the marketing is good for them, but this is going to push the borderline too hard.

If you watched HBO's Entourage, a young movie star is managed by his "best friend" Eric. Who was also very young and only had experience managing a SBarro in a mall. This kind of ridiculous happy horse**** i what you get when you have dudes like Rich Paul and Jay Z and Maverick Carter and Dennis Robertson involved in professional sports. If it looks stupid, it's not the Spurs, it's just some narcissist and his not so bright uncle pushing buttons they don't understand.

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6/17/2018  1:35 PM
Some of you guys are going to great lengths to convince yourselves that Leonard can be had for next to nothing.

Ain’t happening folks.

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6/17/2018  2:15 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/17/2018  2:16 PM
LegendD wrote:Do not need to trade for Kawhi, after a season get him for free.
PS: KP and Frank is untouchable!

Exactly!
And we'll get him with 2 more lottery selections on the team, a more seasoned Frank and a healthy KP.
No need to do anything stupid now.

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6/17/2018  3:13 PM
reub wrote:
LegendD wrote:Do not need to trade for Kawhi, after a season get him for free.
PS: KP and Frank is untouchable!

Exactly!
And we'll get him with 2 more lottery selections on the team, a more seasoned Frank and a healthy KP.
No need to do anything stupid now.

Not exactly. The Spurs won't allow Leonard to become a free agent because if he does, he'll leave outright and they won't get anything. So rest assured, Kawhi will be traded. And it's clear we don't have the assets to outbid the Lakers unless we do something stupid.

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6/18/2018  12:11 AM
NardDogNation wrote:
reub wrote:
LegendD wrote:Do not need to trade for Kawhi, after a season get him for free.
PS: KP and Frank is untouchable!

Exactly!
And we'll get him with 2 more lottery selections on the team, a more seasoned Frank and a healthy KP.
No need to do anything stupid now.

Not exactly. The Spurs won't allow Leonard to become a free agent because if he does, he'll leave outright and they won't get anything. So rest assured, Kawhi will be traded. And it's clear we don't have the assets to outbid the Lakers unless we do something stupid.

The Spurs have no desire to trade him to a Western team. Leonard wants the Lakers. His camp is saying the Clippers too to try to edge out of the likely tampering claim that will be filed at some point.

Lakers spent hard to dump Mozgov. Then lost Nance to dump Clarkson. They will need to move something to dump Deng and Randle is a RFA. The offer for Leonard from their side might not be so robust. Unless it's the best offer they can get by a long mile, they'll send him to an Eastern team.

The other issue is he could get traded to some team other than the Lakers, then have to prop up his FA value, but if he gets hurt, and hurt badly, that could be catastrophic. What's holding the Spurs back now is the 1 percent change Leonard apologies in public and signs a max deal with San Antonio, once that's gone, they will let the dogs out. Leonard's camp basically spit on the Spurs integrity by saying they tried to ride him while he was injured. The Spurs can't stop Leonard from walking, they can however ensure he will never get another endorsement contract ever again.

This is just really ugly. Dennis Robertson, the uncle, is literally the dumbest person right now associated with the NBA. I mean dumb in a way that cannot be fully explained. He just backed the Spurs into a corner and basically dared them to protect their public trust and integrity.

ESPN reporting Kawhi wants out of SA

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