BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Is Huerter worth taking a chance? We already know Frank is going to be an elite defender, year in, year out, health permitting. Have to see if Frank will have an offense to go with it.

Contrary to what many believe here, dont believe we will need beyond this season to know if Frank can be at least a capable scorer. A shot at a rookie getting some late publicity, isnt worth it.

Doncic, Fultz, those guys are the kind of players worth parting with Frank. Mega upside.

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Huerter is expected to be drafted where????
what is his range?

16-30 is where he is falling on the sites I follow. A couple of draft sites, Deanondraft and The Stepien make a case for Huerter being a better pro then Mikal Bridges.

I'd say 18-23

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

The mirage 54 game season was possible because we had Melo at his peak powers but Kidd was cooked by mid year and by the time playoffs came around we were done.
That was one way.
But what your saying makes sense but the problem is if you dilute the talent you might have a few decent years but then dilute the future by trading picks. "IF" Frank turns out to be a fine player you give up 10 years of him as a cornerstone.

We all want to win. But we discuss each piece in hopes there is chemistry that adds.
The sum has to be greater than each piece. For fans, this is super tough as we tend to discuss the obvious. I'll even say Donovan Mitchell on another team might not have shined as he did in UTAH. It all adds up!!!!! Good for him and UTAH. They had the right situation for them/Him.
Knicks obviously had chemistry issues as Melo leaves and now KP was the man. New to knicks and new to being 2nd option was Timmy. Perhaps Hornacek was not the right guy. Well its all different now.

For all we know its all there waiting to come together. Or not.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

The mirage 54 game season was possible because we had Melo at his peak powers but Kidd was cooked by mid year and by the time playoffs came around we were done.
That was one way.
But what your saying makes sense but the problem is if you dilute the talent you might have a few decent years but then dilute the future by trading picks. "IF" Frank turns out to be a fine player you give up 10 years of him as a cornerstone.

We all want to win. But we discuss each piece in hopes there is chemistry that adds.
The sum has to be greater than each piece. For fans, this is super tough as we tend to discuss the obvious. I'll even say Donovan Mitchell on another team might not have shined as he did in UTAH. It all adds up!!!!! Good for him and UTAH. They had the right situation for them/Him.
Knicks obviously had chemistry issues as Melo leaves and now KP was the man. New to knicks and new to being 2nd option was Timmy. Perhaps Hornacek was not the right guy. Well its all different now.

For all we know its all there waiting to come together. Or not.

And don't forget, the reason we even managed to get 54 win season is because we collected a decent set or young assets and we're able to cash them in. We weren't successful in the past because we mismanaged picks, cap and young assets for years. The Celtics could trade Bradley because they had Smart and Rozier. They could trade for Kyrie because they had extra picks. We need all these things and it's going to take time.

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Its gonna be glorious!!

There is a difference between actively shopping Frank as Briggs is suggesting to see what we could get. And a no brainer deal falling in our lap which we could capitalize on.

We aren't discussing any legitimate deals that are on the table that we could analyze. Clearly if a no brainer deal that makes the Knicks better short and long term is available I would be all for it. That usually goes without saying. No such deals have been presented in reality or fictionally. Until such deals become available. I will stick with Frank's development under his rookie contract while using the money saved from him being a rookie to target another player. Then as Frank becomes a more productive player I will have 2 or 3 players to help the Knicks win over 1.

KP may miss the whole season next year. Other than the fantasy of packaging Frank with Noah & Ron Baker for Kwahi Leonard who gets 100% healthy and back to MVP form. There is nobody we could trade Frank for right now that makes the Knicks a winning team.

You speak in general with no real detailed plan on how to actually build this winner piece by piece(Becaue there is no accountability attached when doing so). Meanwhile Perry has layed out his plan given the fack that KP is out and the current cap/talent situation. Develop Frank, add another lotto pick this draft, sign stop gap vets to keep the cap clean for 2019-20, probably add another lotto pick next draft. KP comes back with Frank, 2018 lotto pick, 2019 lotto pick, cap space for free agents, maybe Hardaway Jr & Burke still in the fold with other pipeline prospects like Dotson, Williams, Kornet getting some seasoning.

Now if a no brainer deal comes along that allows Perry to break away from this plan sure. As TT would say, that would be the best market based decision to move forward with.

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fwk00 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

reub wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I believe that Wendell Carter will be the highest ranked player available at 9. He does remind me a lot of Al Horford and we may be devoid of big men if Kanter leaves.

If we took Carter at 9 would Knicks fans be willing to use Frank Ntlikna and a lottery protected 2019 pick to trade for another pick for Huerter?

Have you lost your mind? Frank should stay. He's younger than most of the kids coming out this year. He's a winner and would fit right in with the Warriors or the Spurs because he's unselfish and doesn't need the ball to make his team better.

If we're lucky enough to get Carter, we'd have KP, Carter, Frank as core pieces, all long and talented, and probably one more high pick next year. That's how you build a winning franchise.

Huerter to me resembles Klay Thompson- a core player on a team that has won 3 chips in 5 years. Frank lacks elite athleticism position advanced offensive skills. He's not big enough to guard elite wings. If I had the choice to flip Frank for Huerter I'd do it. Look at his shooting stroke and range. He already has advanced NBA skill

That is a delusional assessment of talent. Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass stuff.

FN is a unicorn variety player. You and others keep trying to pidgeon-hole him based on manufactured innuendo. In a positionless league, FN can play the 1-2-3 spots and guard all 5. *THAT* kind of talent doesn't grow on trees.

You also keep comparing raw mid-draft picks to superstars. Ever think about dialing down the hyperbole?

At 9 we will be lucky to get a rotation player - *LUCKY*. There is a LOT of dreck being projected in the top 15 or so picks.
Yes, we could use every home run we can get but at 9 be thankful if we get anyone useful.

All of that said, Huerter is a good risk assuming you had a later pick - we don't. If we did, my preference would be Chandler Hutchison. Just a hunch.

If Chandler Hutchinson had a reliable 3 point shot--Id have no problem taking him at 9 let alone trading for him. Hes one of the most under rated players in this draft and has lottery talent.

IF M Porter is taken before 9 than the likelihood that one of Wendell carter Mikal Bridges and (low chance) Trae Young is at 9. If we take Mikal Bridges than it makes no sense to add to our wing.
IF we pick Carter than we still have an issue. As much as I like Hutchinson the pure long range jumpshot of Huerter in this league along with his under rated other skill sets--atleast to me trumps Frank. Although I advocated drafting Frank--my goal is to see the Knicks as a team improve. Flipping Frank who is a position-less player with a fair jumpshot and fair athletic ability for a true wing with top 10 or 5 nBA 3 point shooting ability makes a lot of sense. We could also KEEP Frank and offer a future draft pick--Id be willing to do that as well (with reasonable protection)

No it doesnt. Not at all.

this is coming from a person that would only trade frank for (curry, labron, or KD) and throw Noah in for salary purposes..

I haven't seen you agree to a single frank trade proposal on this board by anyone.

Because we want to see drafted players given a chance. The open concept of instant gratification because we fear the unknown as fans has not succeeded.
Frank is about to turn 20 years old and we have seen some good stuff from him.
Easy to say "hey, lets trade him and a pick for some elite player talent". OK. Easy as tapping the fingers right?

This time of year Briggs is some elite talent provocateur because he goes full rainman on a few guys "He finds", then posts youtube clips made by someone else that "Found him", but obviously did it first, then guys like you lap up the circle jerk goodness of trading your shortsighted views that young players are who they are.
Go back and piece together Briggs elite posts and you'll see its filled with mistakes, just like the rest of us have. Only difference is many of us don't proclaim our underrated finds as special. Like I said, its not under rated if others view it.
Yes, there is always a Donovan Mitchell. And Malik Monks too.

Back to the frank thing, some of us just want to see our rookies thru a few years. Not trade them. I speak for myself and not Fish or Perry. Perhaps others might agree or not. If you trade for surety you dilute the upside. LIfe is full of risks. Don't be a wuss.

I get where your coming from, but this is not college, the g league, and we have had 1 above avg season in 16 yrs. There is nothing good about developing players and losing 50+ games yr after yr after yr, what exactly do you gain form that?

Just seems like some of you guys want to see more individual success than team success, so your willing to sacrifice the team to develop the player. I would be all for that if this was 2002 and we just had 14 straight playoff appearances,but Its the opposite.

The losing has got to stop by any means and if the trade makes sense for the short and long term of the TEAM, then you make the move no matter who it is.

Same logic used in 2002 that started and maintained the 14 years of horrible decision making that you are complaining about.

If you can't visualize how Franks uniqueness can translate into Knicks success after all your year's of watching and following bball then can't really help you.

But when you do finally realize it. I look forward to the backtracking. It's gonna be glorious.

You either in denial or you don't get it, I don't care how good a player is, he's not above the team period. I don't care if frank turns into labron, or KP is the mvp, if it's producing 50+ losing season what difference does it make.

All I care about is putting together a balance team that can compete for a title, and at this point I will settle for 2nd rnd for starters.

If we draft well, and make good trades, and acquire solid FA's 1st, 2nd, or 3rd tier(just a good fit) then your focus wouldn't be on frank so much, you just bring him along, or trade him for a better fit and need.

Some fans are so scared of the knicks making a bad trade (cough cough willy) with their young players, that the thought of coming out ahead is as far fetch as TRUMP at a black panther rally.

The same owner who has endured the 15 yrs of losing still exist. Despite new players, coachers, presidents, the outcome still seems the same

Your scared of drafting bad because you have no imagination. Yes, you can do all those things but you also have to give things time.

He simply doesnt believe in drafting which is his right i guess but if you look around the league you will see that teams who are contending now have built and still building through the draft. Boston and Philly are two good examples who are already good for the forseeable future with draft picks to spare. The Warriors were built the same way and were a powerhouse even before Durant got there. Unless you get lucky and get lebron you have to focus on the draft and be patient. I remember people made fun of Philly for tanking for years yet now they are set up for awhile and wouldnt be surprised if lebron went there

I didn't get that. He mentioned drafting well, making good trades and signing free agents that fit the team. That doesn't sound that different from what management's plan is. But it isn't an immediate strategy with this management team. They are allowing time for and focusing on development of a young core. Perry has said that the Knicks will not be players in free agency this offseason as they are looking to do more there in 2019. By that time they should have another lottery pick on the roster with the potential to have a good, young core. I don't think the Knicks are looking to trade Frank but I also don't think he should be considered untouchable. I will be surprised if O'Quinn, Kanter, Baker, or Noah are on the roster after this season. I think Lee, and Thomas will be moved if there is any opportunitiy.