BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:NY needs a 3 more than anything. I like Bridges from 'Nova. There are many who doubt Young.

No we need a dynamic pg. Well we need a lot lol but we really need a pg. Trey Burke can be a Lou Williams off the bench type.

that would be the swing for the fences move. It would also make the Hardaway sigining look even more foolish.

Trae would probably help Tim.

I agree. Young/THJ to start Burke/Frank off the bench would be a lot of firepower. Draft or find a 3, and we're in good shape.

What's the take on Young defensively? Does he top out on what Burke is doing these days? My thought is that a long term backcourt of Burke/THJr is not very good defensively.

And a rotation of Young/THjr/Burke/Frank.... not sure if that's a solid deep playoff guard rotation IMHO

I think the general consensus on Young's defense is that he's going to be a negative anytime he doesn't outscore his opponent. He's not a good finisher yet, but his floater has potential. Is he going to come in and be better than Burke off the bat? No. In three to four years? Maybe. Honestly, I think Sexton is the safer pick, and I think Sexton is only being projected mid lottery because the PG class is so weak this year.

I like Sexton... he impressed me immensely against Kentucky in the SEC tourney. He was the best player on the court and Kentucky has a bunch of first rounders on their roster

blkexec wrote:Don't know why and I can't explain right now....But Bridges looks like a solid role player and not a potential super star.....It's like hitting a base hit. He's a safe pick, but I worry about his upside. I think Bridges will play similar to how he plays in college....Just blend in, which might be good for KP. But is he really a homerun swing?

Disagree. College systems are SO different than pro systems. Just look at so many really good NBA players that came from systems that were more important that individual stats and actually held them back in college. ie. Towns, Mitchell, Devin Booker etc. Think Mikal will have a lot more fredom to show his offensive skill.

Do agree that he is a safe pick. PG has always been tough to gauge. Young athletic ability is the only thing that worries me. He is really fast but if he had the leaping ability of a Smith Jr. or Mitchell, I would feel better about picking him. But hey, its anyones guess how any of these young guys will turn out.

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lets just talk about Young in the context of the NBA... because I could show Adam Morrison highlights just as impressive.

Lets talk about how many players who are 6 feet or shorter and weigh about 170 pounds who have been successful in the NBA. Lets compare Young to those guys.

Sell me... Im all ears.

Fishmike--you watched two games end of season--Trae Young is an offensive engine who was over used not disciplined at times and then keyed on by whole teams. He will be hard to guard 1-1--he wont have 2-3 guys wrapped on him every play--he wont have to be over used he wont need to take 4 38 footers. He simply needs to run the offense extended the floor with 3's at 40%+ and make other players better. This guy isnt Adam Morrison--hes cat quick and very smart. I think hes a combination of Parker and Curry

Well I watched him all year and he still hasb't put it all together. at the beginning of the year he didn't meet a shot he didn't like. then he was over passing. By the tournament he basically just passed for the first 3/4s of a game and then turned into scorer.

I do think he's immensely talented and depending how the draft falls I would consider taking him... but he is not nearly as high on my board as yours

He struck me as pretty low IQ. He tries to make passes and take shots that shouldnt be attempted plain and simple. For every thread the needle dunk resulting pass he makes a bad one and throws into a crowd. For every big 3 I see others contested from 5 feet beyond the arc.

He would have to come in and have to utterly wow in a workout. Show strength and skills he didnt show in college.

He is 100% "immensely talented" but he would be an NBA anomaly.

How do I draft him with Burke here? Burke was probably a better college player and is ready to help us now... obviously a lot depends on who is on the board...

How is left on the board will sway this pick. If young and bridges is there.....i may lean towards bridges but after doing some research to make sure his talent is constrained by the system. Otherwise I'm trying to pick a potential star and hope to find a gem. Regardless if Burke is ready for the starting role.....u pick the best player available. And look for trades using young as an asset. But how valuable is young? Are we overating him? The giants and knicks drafts will be interesting.

After watching the tourney.....i like Jalen Brunson more than bridges or young. I like SGA as well....

blkexec wrote:

fishmike wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:Lets just talk about Young in the context of the NBA... because I could show Adam Morrison highlights just as impressive.

Lets talk about how many players who are 6 feet or shorter and weigh about 170 pounds who have been successful in the NBA. Lets compare Young to those guys.

Sell me... Im all ears.

Fishmike--you watched two games end of season--Trae Young is an offensive engine who was over used not disciplined at times and then keyed on by whole teams. He will be hard to guard 1-1--he wont have 2-3 guys wrapped on him every play--he wont have to be over used he wont need to take 4 38 footers. He simply needs to run the offense extended the floor with 3's at 40%+ and make other players better. This guy isnt Adam Morrison--hes cat quick and very smart. I think hes a combination of Parker and Curry

Well I watched him all year and he still hasb't put it all together. at the beginning of the year he didn't meet a shot he didn't like. then he was over passing. By the tournament he basically just passed for the first 3/4s of a game and then turned into scorer.

I do think he's immensely talented and depending how the draft falls I would consider taking him... but he is not nearly as high on my board as yours

He struck me as pretty low IQ. He tries to make passes and take shots that shouldnt be attempted plain and simple. For every thread the needle dunk resulting pass he makes a bad one and throws into a crowd. For every big 3 I see others contested from 5 feet beyond the arc.

He would have to come in and have to utterly wow in a workout. Show strength and skills he didnt show in college.

He is 100% "immensely talented" but he would be an NBA anomaly.

How do I draft him with Burke here? Burke was probably a better college player and is ready to help us now... obviously a lot depends on who is on the board...

How is left on the board will sway this pick. If young and bridges is there.....i may lean towards bridges but after doing some research to make sure his talent is constrained by the system. Otherwise I'm trying to pick a potential star and hope to find a gem. Regardless if Burke is ready for the starting role.....u pick the best player available. And look for trades using young as an asset. But how valuable is young? Are we overating him? The giants and knicks drafts will be interesting.

After watching the tourney.....i like Jalen Brunson more than bridges or young. I like SGA as well....

Even if Bridges isnt an offensive star he's still a dead eye shooter who can defend 3-4 positions.

The difference between Isaiah Thomas on Sacramento, and Isaiah Thomas on the Celtics is the Celtics had a bunch of guys like Mikal Bridges and the Kings had a bunch of bad NBA players their front office was hoping would be stars.

The point? Guys like Isiah Thomas are easier to find that people think. Trey Burke dropped 40/12. If you surround Burke with guys who can defend multiple spots at a high level and suddenly Burke is a star and the KNicks are geniuses.

martin wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Jmpasq wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:NY needs a 3 more than anything. I like Bridges from 'Nova. There are many who doubt Young.

No we need a dynamic pg. Well we need a lot lol but we really need a pg. Trey Burke can be a Lou Williams off the bench type.

that would be the swing for the fences move. It would also make the Hardaway sigining look even more foolish.

Trae would probably help Tim.

I agree. Young/THJ to start Burke/Frank off the bench would be a lot of firepower. Draft or find a 3, and we're in good shape.

What's the take on Young defensively? Does he top out on what Burke is doing these days? My thought is that a long term backcourt of Burke/THJr is not very good defensively.

And a rotation of Young/THjr/Burke/Frank.... not sure if that's a solid deep playoff guard rotation IMHO

Unless someone is hyping a player as a defensive stopper, Im more concerned about their offense. These kids are trying to showcase their offense. When I see someone like Young, his ability to cover ground, his quick decision making. I wouldnt mind taking a chance on a player where his D is something of a question mark.

Bringing up Burke is a fair point. We drafted Jordan Hill, when we had Chris Wilcox. The difference for me is that Trae/Trey are PGs. Having two quality PGs on the roster would speed up the rebuilding procezs IMO by getting everyone on the same page faster.

I remember not expecting too much from Burke because he was supposed to be statistically the worst defensive PG in Gleague. While Burke is no stopper at this point, his D has been better than I thought it would be.

Might be the same case for Young, showcase your offensive skills first, worry more about D when you get to the league.

blkexec wrote:

reub wrote:Don't forget about Wendell Carter. He would be a great get for us or any team.

Looks like nbadraftnet agrees with you.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2018mock_draft

nixluva wrote:I'm not convinced that Trae is going to be a better player than Burke is for this team right now. I'd rather go for Mikal or Carter. The thing with Trae is that he's not only short but very slightly built and not very long or explosive. I don't see him matching up well with NBA PG's. Of course I could be wrong and he's able to overcome his physical limitations but I doubt it. I'm much more convinced that Mikal and Carter are NBA players that could slide right into defined roles on any NBA roster.

I am sort of thinking the same. I like Young, he is a really fun player, but i think we would need to wait at least 3 years for him to be as good as Burke is right now, and that is if we are lucky and he is able to be a successful NBA player. I don't really see him as a superstar though, and unless we are sure he's a star, i would rather go with Bridges or Carter who have clearly defined roles in the league and are low-risk prospects.