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HofstraBBall
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1/23/2018  9:58 AM
Moonangie wrote:
Welpee wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:You think Frank is a 2nd round talent? Wow.

Yep. Right now he is playing like a guy that could have been taken in the second round..Dillon Brooks, Jordan Bell, Frank Mason. And not as good as some others taken in late 1st round...Kuzma. Btw shooting 34/30% wont even keep him in the league.

But okay, what stats have shown him to be a first round pick? We can keep wishing ait nd pointing out obscure defensive stats, but if we are going to be real, he has not been what everyone expected after a losing year.

I am hoping he turns into a start as much as the next guy, But tired of the lost that keep ignoring reality.

Do you not at least concede that making determinations about a rookie based on 1/2 of his first season is illogical?

Is it more important how a guy develops over the next three/four years or over his first three/four months? Is this not irrational? Ironically, based on your logic and the stats of the first 1/2 of their rookie seasons, the Bucks should've drafted Tim Hardaway Jr. instead of the Greek Freak.

Do you think anyone in Milwaukee cares that Giannis Antetokounmpo (based on your logic) played like a 2nd round talent as a rookie because his stats were comparable to Ray McCallum, Nate Wolters and Ryan Kelly who were taken in the 2nd round in 2013?

The voice of sanity. FFS, NY Knicks fans can be impatient, but this is effing ridiculous. Give him 2-3 years before you make authoritative decrees about his talent.

NY Fans also exagerrate and get on the defensive when its metnioned that their team/player is not playing well. When did I say he is done? Guaranteed a flop? Draft picks should not be given 2 to 3 years? Point, once again, he has not performed as the lottery pick or as most had hoped he would, before the draft. Anyone who says this is what they expected is full of it. Will give you a list of draft picks who have and who hav not. But that might upset you even more.

'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
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1/23/2018  10:04 AM
Welpee wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Welpee wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:You think Frank is a 2nd round talent? Wow.

Yep. Right now he is playing like a guy that could have been taken in the second round..Dillon Brooks, Jordan Bell, Frank Mason. And not as good as some others taken in late 1st round...Kuzma. Btw shooting 34/30% wont even keep him in the league.

But okay, what stats have shown him to be a first round pick? We can keep wishing ait nd pointing out obscure defensive stats, but if we are going to be real, he has not been what everyone expected after a losing year.

I am hoping he turns into a start as much as the next guy, But tired of the lost that keep ignoring reality.

Do you not at least concede that making determinations about a rookie based on 1/2 of his first season is illogical?

Is it more important how a guy develops over the next three/four years or over his first three/four months? Is this not irrational? Ironically, based on your logic and the stats of the first 1/2 of their rookie seasons, the Bucks should've traded Tim Hardaway Jr. instead of the Greek Freak.

Do you think anyone in Milwaukee cares that Giannis Antetokounmpo (based on your logic) played like a 2nd round talent as a rookie because his stats were comparable to Ray McCallum, Nate Wolters and Ryan Kelly who were taken in the 2nd round in 2013?

Did I say he will never play again? Or that the Knicks should release him? Trade him? I have been consistent. You cant give up on him and I would not trade him this early. I am saying he has not played like an 8th pick thus far. Some guys just cant handle that.

Again, that makes no sense. How are 8th picks "suppose" to play? What does the manual say about what an 8th pick is suppose to do after 1/2 a season in the league?

What people don't seem to get is every player is different. Evaluating Frank 1/2 way into his rookie season is kinda ridiculous. The most logical thing to say at this point of this career is that he has a ways to go to reach the potential the Knicks evidently saw in him and there's nothing wrong with that. OJ Mayo got off to a statistically good start to his career. How'd that turn out? Not saying the same will happen to Mitchell or DSJ, but that's a perfect example of why folks need to slow down on all of these guys.

Dont have to check the manual. Just look at draft picks that are playing well. Thats what we all hoped. Stop acting like this is what you hoped for. And why cant you evaluate a players performance 1/2 way into the season? Specially on a fan forum? Its just talk remember. And since when is judging a players perfromance suggest one is saying his career is over or its clear what he will evole to? No one knows anything when it comes to the outcome.
we can only say how the draft picks have performed thus far.

'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
meloshouldgo
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1/23/2018  7:54 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2018  8:00 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:You think Frank is a 2nd round talent? Wow.
Yeah thats a pretty insane statement

Can't fix stupid. Is not even worth trying

Ah the biggest case of lost on the boards. Thanks for the input Eraser boy. Thats only the 37th time you used that line. You must kill it with your class mates in middle school.

Why not just try to show off your Bball IQ? Lets see why the the all knowing thinks Franks play has been lottery like?

This will be really hard concept for you to grasp dumbass, so pay attention. You can say the sun rises in the East a million times,that doesn't make it wrong and it won't start rising in the West. Unlike the horse**** you post I merely state the obvious because the fact that you post at all makes it clear you still don't get it.

I cannot teach anybody anything. I can only try to make them think - Socrates
HofstraBBall
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1/23/2018  8:38 PM
meloshouldgo wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
meloshouldgo wrote:
StarksEwing1 wrote:
Knixkik wrote:You think Frank is a 2nd round talent? Wow.
Yeah thats a pretty insane statement

Can't fix stupid. Is not even worth trying

Ah the biggest case of lost on the boards. Thanks for the input Eraser boy. Thats only the 37th time you used that line. You must kill it with your class mates in middle school.

Why not just try to show off your Bball IQ? Lets see why the the all knowing thinks Franks play has been lottery like?

This will be really hard concept for you to grasp dumbass, so pay attention. You can say the sun rises in the East a million times,that doesn't make it wrong and it won't start rising in the West. Unlike the horse**** you post I merely state the obvious because the fact that you post at all makes it clear you still don't get it.

Just what I thought. No bball IQ just good ole eraser boy talk. Btw, Great quote. Im sure it makes sense to someone somewhere. Once again you had nothing to say that made any sense. Land of the rising sun?....oh I get it.

Btw. How is your girl playin over at Barclays?

'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
Welpee
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1/23/2018  8:46 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/23/2018  8:47 PM
HofstraBBall wrote:
Welpee wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Welpee wrote:
HofstraBBall wrote:
Knixkik wrote:You think Frank is a 2nd round talent? Wow.

Yep. Right now he is playing like a guy that could have been taken in the second round..Dillon Brooks, Jordan Bell, Frank Mason. And not as good as some others taken in late 1st round...Kuzma. Btw shooting 34/30% wont even keep him in the league.

But okay, what stats have shown him to be a first round pick? We can keep wishing ait nd pointing out obscure defensive stats, but if we are going to be real, he has not been what everyone expected after a losing year.

I am hoping he turns into a start as much as the next guy, But tired of the lost that keep ignoring reality.

Do you not at least concede that making determinations about a rookie based on 1/2 of his first season is illogical?

Is it more important how a guy develops over the next three/four years or over his first three/four months? Is this not irrational? Ironically, based on your logic and the stats of the first 1/2 of their rookie seasons, the Bucks should've traded Tim Hardaway Jr. instead of the Greek Freak.

Do you think anyone in Milwaukee cares that Giannis Antetokounmpo (based on your logic) played like a 2nd round talent as a rookie because his stats were comparable to Ray McCallum, Nate Wolters and Ryan Kelly who were taken in the 2nd round in 2013?

Did I say he will never play again? Or that the Knicks should release him? Trade him? I have been consistent. You cant give up on him and I would not trade him this early. I am saying he has not played like an 8th pick thus far. Some guys just cant handle that.

Again, that makes no sense. How are 8th picks "suppose" to play? What does the manual say about what an 8th pick is suppose to do after 1/2 a season in the league?

What people don't seem to get is every player is different. Evaluating Frank 1/2 way into his rookie season is kinda ridiculous. The most logical thing to say at this point of this career is that he has a ways to go to reach the potential the Knicks evidently saw in him and there's nothing wrong with that. OJ Mayo got off to a statistically good start to his career. How'd that turn out? Not saying the same will happen to Mitchell or DSJ, but that's a perfect example of why folks need to slow down on all of these guys.

Dont have to check the manual. Just look at draft picks that are playing well. Thats what we all hoped. Stop acting like this is what you hoped for. And why cant you evaluate a players performance 1/2 way into the season? Specially on a fan forum? Its just talk remember. And since when is judging a players perfromance suggest one is saying his career is over or its clear what he will evole to? No one knows anything when it comes to the outcome.
we can only say how the draft picks have performed thus far.

So he is playing like a 2nd round pick in your eyes after 40+ games. And? You keep harping on it like it's really something insightful. Compare Jahlil Okafor's stats the first 1/2 of his rookie season to Myles Turner or Devin Booker. Now two 1/2 years later compare their stats.
What happens at the trade deadline and at the end of year will say a lot.

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