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Will the Knicks retain M Beasley and if so how much?
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Bonn1997
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1/17/2018  6:46 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
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Bonn1997 wrote:
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martin wrote:You guys are NUTS. Beasley has not gotten a more than minimum contract for 5 years straight and you suddenly want to give him a more than 1 year deal? And some starting at $10M?!?!?!

Beasley is the type of guy you add on to your roster AFTER all your other needs and guys are taken care of.

For me, $5M with a team option for the second year at the same rate. Otherwise the Knicks should be hunting for a player who could fill the same offensive role off the bench that is in his early 20's and actually is interested in giving full effort all the time and who could grow with the current crew.

If he asks for more, thank him for his play and move on.

Your cruelty knows no bounds. 10 mill for what Beasley does is quite reasonable considering his production. Beasley (even with the hiccups) provides offense when no one else can find the rim. Believe you are selling his ability to fill holes in the offense, short.


He's in a contract year and he's had a nice stretch for a couple hundred minutes. Otherwise, he has been a league min player his whole career. You can't jump from league min to 8 figures per year based on a tiny stretch in a contract year.

Beasley's numbers throughout his career had as much to do with what happened off the court, as on.
I could be wrong, but I believe Beasley is worth 10 mill a year, isnt that what you pay a good bench player these days?


It's a contract year. He's making sure everything on and off the court goes as smoothly as possible.

Cant blame you for being cynical (under the circumstances) but that remains to be seen. Might be JR all over again, but Beasley seems more together these days, than seasons past. Dont believe its all about the contract, although Im sure it plays a part.


Yeah we don't know for sure. I'm just saying you have to be cynical with that kind of money. I don't want another Jerome James contract.
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1/17/2018  6:52 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
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BRIGGS wrote:Guessing 4-40 is basically saying the guy is worth around the MLE. Is that the case here? Who will replace Beasley for us? Its not easy to do what he does.

I agree, he is tough to replace. I think it's more the years than the dollars per year. It's tough to trust him on a long-term contract, most can agree there. But the dollar amount per year is fair for someone who produces like him. I don't think the market will be very good to him this offseason, so it will be interesting to see how it works out.

I dont know enough about Beasley other than what he has been here. in NY he seems to be compliant a hard worker umm and a very good and CONSISTENT player. Hes not a must have core player--but hes been good for us. You could say the same thing about C Lee who makes 12mm per. Id like to see more of kP at C and beasley at PF.

He is 29. 4 yr deal this off season would run from when he is 30-34. 2 yrs like Martin said would probably be the remaining yrs of his prime ability and even that isn't a guarantee. As for dollar amount it depends as if say a Kanter opts out or we are able to move Lee's contract for a shorter one. Then that's money that eats into a 2019 free agent that we could target who is in his prime. So once those type of things are sorted and figured out then we could see if its best to keep Beasley or keep that money for a long term core piece.

Well have to see. This question was--do we want to retain M Beasley and if so--how much. I kind of threw out the MLE as I think that his play merits it. Does thta mean hes going to get it? no

Im thinking the Knicks will want Kanter to opt out --that Im pretty sure of. And not because Kanter is bad--hes good but I think the money can be better spent.

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1/17/2018  6:52 PM
GustavBahler wrote:
martin wrote:You guys are NUTS. Beasley has not gotten a more than minimum contract for 5 years straight and you suddenly want to give him a more than 1 year deal? And some starting at $10M?!?!?!

Beasley is the type of guy you add on to your roster AFTER all your other needs and guys are taken care of.

For me, $5M with a team option for the second year at the same rate. Otherwise the Knicks should be hunting for a player who could fill the same offensive role off the bench that is in his early 20's and actually is interested in giving full effort all the time and who could grow with the current crew.

If he asks for more, thank him for his play and move on.

Your cruelty knows no bounds. 10 mill for what Beasley does is quite reasonable considering his production. Beasley (even with the hiccups) provides offense when no one else can find the rim. Believe you are selling his ability to fill holes in the offense, short.

I am looking at him as a complete player, not only offense. And as a team that should be looking to build, why would you want to clog your team with $10M of player salary where you could use it to find a player or 2 who may be able to provide both offense and defense off the bench?

BTW, is Beasley's net production positive or negative? MLE is $8M? So you must have Beasley as a better than average player in the league?

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1/17/2018  6:55 PM
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EnySpree wrote:I love Beasley but his rep is not going to get him 4 years 40 mill... he's going to get a minimum deal, low level or the most mid level exemption... and for 2 years not 4. His rep doesn't hasn't him that respect. Now teams could offer more because they all are stupid. Not one NBA contract is calculated nowadays with any foresight

What has his rep been so far this year?

No complaining about coming off the bench.
No TMZ videos/pics of him in the clubs before/after games
No failed drug tests
No complaints from teammates or coach
No bad press.........all this while putting up some impressive offense numbers. I don't know, man. I think the guy is working his way into a big contract next year.


Seems to have been a solid citizen so far. Forgetful on D at times, but he does try.

Have heard nothing bad about him.

2yrs/$15M with a team option the second year. I would want to keep him anxious and motivated.

He really is a left handed Melo, but he still has his legs and is in very good shape. There is a reason why he is a journeyman, though...you can't get too excited with him and think about Max money.

Still, I think he's earned a callback. He might want to go elsewhere, but might also want to stay in a good situation.

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1/21/2018  2:41 PM
Missed this info package recently:

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/columnists/al-iannazzone/frank-ntilikina-knicks-1.16274563?share=other

Michael Beasley arrived at training camp 20 pounds lighter because he wanted to be quicker, but he said he’s put on 30 pounds since then because he’s playing more power forward.

“I think it actually hurt me,” he said of his weight loss. “I can be 215, 220 playing the three. Playing the four is a different story . . . I literally put on 30 pounds since I’ve been here.”

He said he weighs 245 now. Beasley is averaging 15.8 points and shooting 52.2 percent in his last 24 games.

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1/21/2018  2:48 PM
martin wrote:Missed this info package recently:

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/columnists/al-iannazzone/frank-ntilikina-knicks-1.16274563?share=other

Michael Beasley arrived at training camp 20 pounds lighter because he wanted to be quicker, but he said he’s put on 30 pounds since then because he’s playing more power forward.

“I think it actually hurt me,” he said of his weight loss. “I can be 215, 220 playing the three. Playing the four is a different story . . . I literally put on 30 pounds since I’ve been here.”

He said he weighs 245 now. Beasley is averaging 15.8 points and shooting 52.2 percent in his last 24 games.

That is wild. In season weight gain like that seems like it would be hard to do.
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1/21/2018  3:01 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:Missed this info package recently:

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/columnists/al-iannazzone/frank-ntilikina-knicks-1.16274563?share=other

Michael Beasley arrived at training camp 20 pounds lighter because he wanted to be quicker, but he said he’s put on 30 pounds since then because he’s playing more power forward.

“I think it actually hurt me,” he said of his weight loss. “I can be 215, 220 playing the three. Playing the four is a different story . . . I literally put on 30 pounds since I’ve been here.”

He said he weighs 245 now. Beasley is averaging 15.8 points and shooting 52.2 percent in his last 24 games.

That is wild. In season weight gain like that seems like it would be hard to do.

It might explain his horrible play starting in training camp and entering the early part of the season.
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1/21/2018  5:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 1/21/2018  5:43 PM
I hope those who love Beasley see today why he can't be relied on for more than 20 mpg of elite offense. He's a good scorer, but a bench player who should be paid like one.
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1/21/2018  7:08 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
martin wrote:Missed this info package recently:

https://www.newsday.com/amp/sports/columnists/al-iannazzone/frank-ntilikina-knicks-1.16274563?share=other

Michael Beasley arrived at training camp 20 pounds lighter because he wanted to be quicker, but he said he’s put on 30 pounds since then because he’s playing more power forward.

“I think it actually hurt me,” he said of his weight loss. “I can be 215, 220 playing the three. Playing the four is a different story . . . I literally put on 30 pounds since I’ve been here.”

He said he weighs 245 now. Beasley is averaging 15.8 points and shooting 52.2 percent in his last 24 games.

That is wild. In season weight gain like that seems like it would be hard to do.

PEDS cycling. Six tests a year based on the standards set by the current CBA. Two tests in the offseason. One before the start of the season and one after the conclusion of the Finals. Four "random" tests during the year.

What the league does is by paperwork submission, they "indirectly" let the franchise know when a specific player is going to be tested. The franchise then talks to the players agent ( as a legal buffer) who then lets the player know he's going to be tested in X amount of time range. League wants the benefit of juiced players lighting up those highlight dunk reels but wants legal deniability from a scandal.

If the league wants to juice a team ( like the Warriors, always the Warriors), they'll space those tests out and schedule them during rough points in the schedule. On the flip side, they can get the four "randoms" out of the way early for a specific player ( LeBron James really) and then let him cycle up for the big playoff (ratings) push.

Travel is just very hard on the body. Even with top notch nutrition, medical care, private charter jets, etc, it's still attrition and stress. Players need recovery, the season is arguably too long, but revenue needed and stabilizing those large TV contracts is needed.

On Beasley, what is more likely? He is the POS player he has always been, for about 95 percent of the time? Or he'll be the player he's like about 5 percent of the time, which is about right now, in a contract year.

PS Like most NBA players, he's broke. So there's that. Giving a dude a fat check whose favorite girfriend is Mary Jane and is bonehead for a couple of good games seems insane to me.

Will the Knicks retain M Beasley and if so how much?

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