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Nalod
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1/16/2018  1:43 PM
He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.
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1/16/2018  1:47 PM
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newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

I saw that in one of the articles about it. I am not sure which one. But they definitely said he's non-guaranteed/partial guarantee for next year.

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1/16/2018  2:29 PM
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

talent and timing are better. Randle was ok but not as explosive off the dribble as Burke, not even close. Burke is a superior athlete. Burke is a blur.

The timing is better because Burke is coming to a defensive team. Frank, Lance, KP, THjr, Lee, KOQ and Baker are all guys out there playing + defense. Kanter and McD have been better than advertised and McD especially works hard on the side of the ball.

Point is Burke is surely going to be on the floor with a bunch of guys who defend which should help keep him from getting exposed. Burke just needs to stay in front of his man and get a hand up on the jump shot. Not easy but not monumental. Dont get taken off the dribble.

Not every young or new player needs to be a starter or future hope or the next great anything. Role and bench guys are important too. When you are rebuilding you dont spend on those guys... but it doesnt mean they arent important. Burke can help. He also gives the coach another guard option which I think is important. I really cant stand Baker.

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1/16/2018  3:09 PM
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

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1/16/2018  3:10 PM
fishmike wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

talent and timing are better. Randle was ok but not as explosive off the dribble as Burke, not even close. Burke is a superior athlete. Burke is a blur.

The timing is better because Burke is coming to a defensive team. Frank, Lance, KP, THjr, Lee, KOQ and Baker are all guys out there playing + defense. Kanter and McD have been better than advertised and McD especially works hard on the side of the ball.

Point is Burke is surely going to be on the floor with a bunch of guys who defend which should help keep him from getting exposed. Burke just needs to stay in front of his man and get a hand up on the jump shot. Not easy but not monumental. Dont get taken off the dribble.

Not every young or new player needs to be a starter or future hope or the next great anything. Role and bench guys are important too. When you are rebuilding you dont spend on those guys... but it doesnt mean they arent important. Burke can help. He also gives the coach another guard option which I think is important. I really cant stand Baker.


I would add that if you already have PLUS defense from a PG like Frank then you can do well with a Scorer like Burke who can come in and spark more scoring or keep the team from LOSING a lead by offering more efficient offense.

Burke along with THJ can really help this team to improve the flow of the attack by having more than one guard that can BREAKDOWN a defense on a consistent basis. We've struggled playing with less than average Penetration.

I like this guard contingent. Then we still have Dotson in development as well. The next step going forward IMO is another Athletic and Long SF and a PF that can finish above the rim, run the floor and block shots. Adding more live bodies will really round this roster out.

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1/16/2018  3:13 PM
Frank could of had 16 assists vs the Nets. The Knicks blew so many of Frank’s passes. I counted at least 7 passes that should have been buckets.
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1/16/2018  3:24 PM
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Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

I never heard that Trey isn't a hard worker. Now, I've read people write that he was too shot happy, no not a good defensive player and a bad finisher. Remains to be seen. For all of Trey's NBA experience, he never produced. Trey's impact still bools down to "hope."

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1/16/2018  3:29 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:During the game they were reporting that before the game the coaching staff talked to Frank and fed him a Kobe quote "If your afraid to fail, then you are probably going to fail". Frank claimed that he has been thinking to much last couple of games and that he needs to start playing more on instinct.

Don't care for the cause but a change in Frank's approach was needed as he was pretty bad the last couple of games. Don't know if we can nail it down to Trey Burke being the reason or a combination of different contributions. But at the end of the day the issues only being mental hurdles that could be overcome are just part of growing pains.

The difference between not wanting to fail vs wanting to win.

On a team with a number of good scorers, Frank is hesitant to assert himself. We have seen this in the past with players on the Knicks who came to play with Anthony.

I have spoken about the deference younger players have toward vets. Frank has shown signs that he can assert himself on the offensive end, and not just feed the ball in the post to KP, Beas, or Kanter.

He needs to look for his shot on a more regular basis.

The strange thing is that by showing a willingness to be selfish a looking to score, he opens up more assist opportunities.

It is all in his head, and in practices, he should be looking to score more often so he feels more comfortable in real games.

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1/16/2018  3:33 PM
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

He looks slick on offense, but he is tiny and was getting bounced around by picks when on D.

Still, I'm looking forward to seeing him play, and I think having Hardaway on the team with him is an added bonus which should help him a lot.

Great pickup by our brass, and he will have a good amount of time to show what he can do, which could conceivably change how we look at the 2018 draft.

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1/16/2018  4:21 PM
WaltLongmire wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

He looks slick on offense, but he is tiny and was getting bounced around by picks when on D.

Still, I'm looking forward to seeing him play, and I think having Hardaway on the team with him is an added bonus which should help him a lot.

Great pickup by our brass, and he will have a good amount of time to show what he can do, which could conceivably change how we look at the 2018 draft.

The nice thing is i don't think the expectation is that great. I think most of us hope he can develop into a solid backup PG. Someone who can play 15 mpg and provide a spark.

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1/16/2018  4:31 PM
Nalod wrote:Clyde twice commented on Franks play and said “A bit of competition is health”.
So we now digest that as our own thinking?
Also, did Burkes presence make frank more motivated to hit his jumpers?
You think people didn't think that on their own? Do you not notice a steal unless Clyde points it out during the game?
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1/16/2018  4:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

There weren't any details of his contract other than he signed for the remainder of the season. I hope he plays well so i don't have to see jack in the 4th qtr no more, because he's usually on fumes by then.

Hoopshype has him as a one year deal. They have been wrong before. Would love if there was a team option for next season.
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1/16/2018  4:40 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
Nalod wrote:He is our diminutive "chasson Randle" hope this year.

chasson randle was undrafted, and had zero NBA experience, not only that. Trey and Randle are complete opposite situations.

Trey thought he could get by on talent without hard work, Randle is not nearly as talented as trey, and was only getting by on hard work.

Also, Burke finished third in rookie of the year voting his first year in the league and was the 9th pick in the draft. Randle was more of a fringe guy.
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1/16/2018  4:43 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

There weren't any details of his contract other than he signed for the remainder of the season. I hope he plays well so i don't have to see jack in the 4th qtr no more, because he's usually on fumes by then.

Hoopshype has him as a one year deal. They have been wrong before. Would love if there was a team option for next season.
http://www.spotrac.com/nba/new-york-knicks/trey-burke-13322/

Its def 1 year deal

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1/16/2018  5:01 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:During the game they were reporting that before the game the coaching staff talked to Frank and fed him a Kobe quote "If your afraid to fail, then you are probably going to fail". Frank claimed that he has been thinking to much last couple of games and that he needs to start playing more on instinct.

Don't care for the cause but a change in Frank's approach was needed as he was pretty bad the last couple of games. Don't know if we can nail it down to Trey Burke being the reason or a combination of different contributions. But at the end of the day the issues only being mental hurdles that could be overcome are just part of growing pains.

On replay he was 2nd up behind KOQ.

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1/16/2018  6:31 PM
EnySpree wrote:I agree that Burke positively impacted Frank.... guys want to play. Burke can play. I'm sure they had a practice and it absolutely woke up Frank. I'm sure Burke showed why he deserved that call up in practice. Frank now has Jack, Baker and Burke right now. They could easily send Frank down to the g league for reps. Burke could absolutr it take his spot and Jack's spot. Frank said nah **** that. You gotta respect the kid for that.

Willy on the other hand thought he could half ass himself into the starter. He thought he was locked in. No fam you have to work to keep your spot. He got out worked by Kanter and KOQ.... he still hasn't lessened his lesson because against Brooklyn he let a guy walk by him with the ball and then just stood there and let then hey a layup without even trying to lift his arms. He wants to play he cant do that.

Anyway I'm glad Frank is not cut from the same european cloth Willy is. Jarrett Jack has been playing out of his mind but Frank asnd Burke are about to relieve him of his duties.

While we know your less than enchanted with Wily, how do you account for his the name most GMs are inquiring about In a trade ??

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1/16/2018  11:19 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

There weren't any details of his contract other than he signed for the remainder of the season. I hope he plays well so i don't have to see jack in the 4th qtr no more, because he's usually on fumes by then.

Hoopshype has him as a one year deal. They have been wrong before. Would love if there was a team option for next season.

The ones that flop usually have a 2 yr (or more) deal with no option, the ones that shine have 1 yr deals.

I wouldn't worry because if he plays well, and the team does well, I think keeping him would be mutual across the boards

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1/17/2018  11:42 AM
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

There weren't any details of his contract other than he signed for the remainder of the season. I hope he plays well so i don't have to see jack in the 4th qtr no more, because he's usually on fumes by then.

Hoopshype has him as a one year deal. They have been wrong before. Would love if there was a team option for next season.

The ones that flop usually have a 2 yr (or more) deal with no option, the ones that shine have 1 yr deals.

I wouldn't worry because if he plays well, and the team does well, I think keeping him would be mutual across the boards

Thinking about it, I wonder how much influence THJr had on Burke signing with the Knicks with the plan to go to the G-League build his game up and try and stick with the club. Given Hardaway's past experience. Would make perfect sense if he is the one to sell him on this route.

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1/17/2018  12:13 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
CrushAlot wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:
martin wrote:
nixluva wrote:
newyorker4ever wrote:So what if T.Burke does show he can be the player most thought he would be coming out or at least close to that player? There's a good chance that he signs with another team that has more money to spend then we do after the season. So we could end up losing this kid if he shows well for us this year which would really suck. We don't have any kind of rights on him do we??

I believe his contract has a team option for next season.

hadn't read that... you see it somewhere?

There weren't any details of his contract other than he signed for the remainder of the season. I hope he plays well so i don't have to see jack in the 4th qtr no more, because he's usually on fumes by then.

Hoopshype has him as a one year deal. They have been wrong before. Would love if there was a team option for next season.

The ones that flop usually have a 2 yr (or more) deal with no option, the ones that shine have 1 yr deals.

I wouldn't worry because if he plays well, and the team does well, I think keeping him would be mutual across the boards

Thinking about it, I wonder how much influence THJr had on Burke signing with the Knicks with the plan to go to the G-League build his game up and try and stick with the club. Given Hardaway's past experience. Would make perfect sense if he is the one to sell him on this route.

I think Burke and Perry also have a Michigan connection...The one thing that's clear is that Perry has a solid reputation among agents and players.

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1/17/2018  3:28 PM
I'm hoping Burke works out for the Knicks. Leading up to the 2013 draft, everyone thought Burke was the shizzle. 2013 CPOTY, Final Four run, 1st team, every college accolade possible, it was Trey Burke mania.

Can Burke emerge into more than a journeyman PG and become a legit starting quality PG? Sure, I'm rooting for that. I'd love it if he was good enough to keep the Knicks engine running and turn Jack into the 3rd PG in the depth chart.

If he can be an attacking point guard and put pressure on the defense in limited minutes, that'd help this team.

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Burke's play positively impacted Frank...

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