martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

Is that all you are getting? Watch the games not the stats.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

if you dont think his defense is better your not watching.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

if you dont think his defense is better your not watching.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

It's also fair to say that certain guys having career years/unexpectedly good years like Lee, Kanter, Jack, and Hardaway are doing so because they are playing off of Porzingis and are thriving in complimentary roles better than they have with other players in the past.

bingo

Yeah, sort of like some unicorn did his rookie year when he was setting historic NBA records, when he didn't have to be the main guy on either side of the ball. LMFAO.

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

if you dont think his defense is better your not watching.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

It's also fair to say that certain guys having career years/unexpectedly good years like Lee, Kanter, Jack, and Hardaway are doing so because they are playing off of Porzingis and are thriving in complimentary roles better than they have with other players in the past.

bingo

Yeah, sort of like some unicorn did his rookie year when he was setting historic NBA records, when he didn't have to be the main guy on either side of the ball. LMFAO.

"LMFAO"
Im not sure I understand why anyone would be laughing while their ass is being phucked off but to each his own man.

KP has so much development that can and needs to happen. This year was a nice step forward. Lets see how he finishes... that may be the most telling aspect of his season.

He may be slowly coming out of his slump --- last 3 games....

46%/40% - Avg 24, 8Rbs, +3Blks, -3Stls.

He is tremendous around the rim -- he changes so many shots and guys simply don't even bother -- plus he is #1 in league in blocks I believe.

His body and movement (despite still having massive room for improvement) is far ahead of what he looked like 1 year ago.

He is an all-time talent -- just needs to stay healthy and keep working hard on all facets.

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

if you dont think his defense is better your not watching.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

It's also fair to say that certain guys having career years/unexpectedly good years like Lee, Kanter, Jack, and Hardaway are doing so because they are playing off of Porzingis and are thriving in complimentary roles better than they have with other players in the past.

bingo

Yeah, sort of like some unicorn did his rookie year when he was setting historic NBA records, when he didn't have to be the main guy on either side of the ball. LMFAO.

"LMFAO"
Im not sure I understand why anyone would be laughing while their ass is being phucked off but to each his own man.

KP has so much development that can and needs to happen. This year was a nice step forward. Lets see how he finishes... that may be the most telling aspect of his season.

Not quite sure why you continually display these brilliant retorts, but hey, thanks for reading. Even if you don't bother to respond to the point. Again. Ass being phucked off.. is that like not understanding how insipid one looks while making pathetic points about offensive inefficiency and citing W/L being the main measurement of viability? Don't understand? Let me type slowly... there were threads last season pointing out W/L record without the certain player we do not speak of.

Oh wait, KP's FT% has increased! You forgot that one!

Hate sure makes for a short memory, apparently. When it's convenient, I guess.
Carry on.

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

if you dont think his defense is better your not watching.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

It's also fair to say that certain guys having career years/unexpectedly good years like Lee, Kanter, Jack, and Hardaway are doing so because they are playing off of Porzingis and are thriving in complimentary roles better than they have with other players in the past.

bingo

Yeah, sort of like some unicorn did his rookie year when he was setting historic NBA records, when he didn't have to be the main guy on either side of the ball. LMFAO.

"LMFAO"
Im not sure I understand why anyone would be laughing while their ass is being phucked off but to each his own man.

KP has so much development that can and needs to happen. This year was a nice step forward. Lets see how he finishes... that may be the most telling aspect of his season.

Not quite sure why you continually display these brilliant retorts, but hey, thanks for reading. Even if you don't bother to respond to the point. Again. Ass being phucked off.. is that like not understanding how insipid one looks while making pathetic points about offensive inefficiency and citing W/L being the main measurement of viability? Don't understand? Let me type slowly... there were threads last season pointing out W/L record without the certain player we do not speak of.

Oh wait, KP's FT% has increased! You forgot that one!

Hate sure makes for a short memory, apparently. When it's convenient, I guess.
Carry on.

you didnt type slowly enough because your still not making sense. Some combo of Melo butt-hurt and KP envy I am assuming. We'll go with that.

Fish! You must admit, it is quite similar to the stuff that you were putting out there about Melo? It seemed no matter what Melo did or did not do, guys were bringing up winning as the only significant measure. Shit, know you guys even did that when we won 54 games. But I know we are not suppose to bring up the 54 win year. Big difference was that KP has three times the talent on this years squad that Melo ever had in the last three years.

Still, as I defended Melo, I will defend KP. Specially because KP is going through what Melo went through. KP is contributing nicely and is playing at an above average level. He has improved his inside game and still has much to improve. He takes bad shots and is still trying to figure out how to be the main guy. BUT...like Melo, he is our BEST player. But of course guys will try to get on him for not being MJ, Kobe or LBJ. Fans are just not happy if their team is not crushing everyone like GS. And most fans will always like to blame the most popular or highest paid guy on the team. As they place ridiculous expectations on them. Ussualy becasue they have entrusted their players to do thing they were never able to do. But you know we call those guys.... haters.

Team looks fine. KP is progressing. Think we added some good pieces. Now its just up to the management to keep the good ones and replace the bad ones. I would like to see Timmy, KP, Kanter, Lee, Frank, Buckets, Willy and Dotson stay. Everyone else should be traded for draft picks or young free agents that have had success at this level.

fishmike wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

fishmike wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

martin wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

martin wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Knixkik wrote:Great all around game by KP today. This is why you guys can't freak out all the time. We can see him figuring some things out already. He played the complete game.

So commenting on a 3 year trend equals freaking out
Telling us after 1 good game how silly we were being equals wisdom?

It's overreacting to this trend that is the problem. Look at his season overall. He's improved significantly in most areas and is damn good for a 22 year old. Ups and downs should be expected.

He hasn't improved. He's just taking more shots. He's not hitting at a better rate or taking smarter shots. Changes in all other parts of the game are negligible too.

that is improvement. IS the guy who scores 5ppg on 45% the exact same as the guy who scorers 25ppg on 45%... one just takes more shots?

Does taking shots take more effort? He's got fewer fouls, more blocks and more PPG in his per 36 as well. He's a more productive player this year, point blank.

Making 2 more and missing 3 more shots a game equates to no significant improvement. That just doesn't impress me.

Regarding the other stats: Just by chance, you'd expect 50% of his stats to be a little better and 50% a little worse. It looks like about 50% of the per 36 numbers are a tiny amount better and 50% a tiny amount worse.

KP's role on the team has changed. He's gone from AAA to the Show and his stats are similar while he is the main dude on the team. Struggled recently but double teams are now in full effect.

And the worrisome thing is bad decision making in this new role. Poor shot selection and poor passing. I'm not saying give up on him. I'm disappointed that the only significant change from year one is shot attempts though.

if you dont think his defense is better your not watching.

Knicks are 19-19 with KP being the focal point of the offense.
KNicks were 26-40 in games KP played last year.

W-L arent a viable stat? Just more shots? "He's just taking more shots..." thats just... bad.

It's also fair to say that certain guys having career years/unexpectedly good years like Lee, Kanter, Jack, and Hardaway are doing so because they are playing off of Porzingis and are thriving in complimentary roles better than they have with other players in the past.

bingo

Yeah, sort of like some unicorn did his rookie year when he was setting historic NBA records, when he didn't have to be the main guy on either side of the ball. LMFAO.

"LMFAO"
Im not sure I understand why anyone would be laughing while their ass is being phucked off but to each his own man.

KP has so much development that can and needs to happen. This year was a nice step forward. Lets see how he finishes... that may be the most telling aspect of his season.

Not quite sure why you continually display these brilliant retorts, but hey, thanks for reading. Even if you don't bother to respond to the point. Again. Ass being phucked off.. is that like not understanding how insipid one looks while making pathetic points about offensive inefficiency and citing W/L being the main measurement of viability? Don't understand? Let me type slowly... there were threads last season pointing out W/L record without the certain player we do not speak of.

Oh wait, KP's FT% has increased! You forgot that one!

Hate sure makes for a short memory, apparently. When it's convenient, I guess.
Carry on.

you didnt type slowly enough because your still not making sense. Some combo of Melo butt-hurt and KP envy I am assuming. We'll go with that.

Fish! You must admit, it is quite similar to the stuff that you were putting out there about Melo? It seemed no matter what Melo did or did not do, guys were bringing up winning as the only significant measure. Shit, know you guys even did that when we won 54 games. But I know we are not suppose to bring up the 54 win year. Big difference was that KP has three times the talent on this years squad that Melo ever had in the last three years.

Still, as I defended Melo, I will defend KP. Specially because KP is going through what Melo went through. KP is contributing nicely and is playing at an above average level. He has improved his inside game and still has much to improve. He takes bad shots and is still trying to figure out how to be the main guy. BUT...like Melo, he is our BEST player. But of course guys will try to get on him for not being MJ, Kobe or LBJ. Fans are just not happy if their team is not crushing everyone like GS. And most fans will always like to blame the most popular or highest paid guy on the team. As they place ridiculous expectations on them. Ussualy becasue they have entrusted their players to do thing they were never able to do. But you know we call those guys.... haters.

Team looks fine. KP is progressing. Think we added some good pieces. Now its just up to the management to keep the good ones and replace the bad ones. I would like to see Timmy, KP, Kanter, Lee, Frank, Buckets, Willy and Dotson stay. Everyone else should be traded for draft picks or young free agents that have had success at this level.

if you have followed me for years here (Ive been around a few) you would know I have flipped on Melo 2x
Didnt like the trade. Hated him for quitting on MDA

Flip

Guy played like an elite NBA for Woodson and I told people like ChuckBuck and others they were idiots for hating on Melo during that period. Guy's play said it all. 54 win season Melo was a legit top 3 MVP player. Did he also shoot us out of those same playoffs? Yes he did. Guy had an amazing season. Any less credit is silly.

Flip

Guy hasnt played defense for 2 years and holds the ball every possession. Needs to go.

For me.. its always been that simple. Guys like JRod (and you) get very sensitive about it. Knicks werent good enough long enough with Melo here for anyone to care that much. This was not Ewing part anything. Melo is future HOF and one of the best scorers the Knicks have ever had. There isnt enough after that to be any more emotionally invested (speaking for myself)

On the topic I am with you. Team defense is better. KP is improving, especially on D. So much more needs to happen including adding talent. Frank's potential looks great but he's a 19 year old project. KP is 22. Gotta let these guys get their reps and mature. This isnt a 2 week process (Briggs). It takes years. I am positive because the coaching and defense are much improved.

KP has so much growth yet. He holds the ball waaay too much and we go to him for ISO scoring too much. At this point his offense should be jump shots with his energy going to defense. Of course he wants to win and we have limited scoring so its tough. His desire to do too much and failing to let the game come to him is also part of the process.

Im good with KP. Great with his progression. There is no comparing him to Melo. Why? Who cares? That era is done. I will say this in Melo's defense.. this current management appears to be the best in years. Something he did not have while here. If someone wants to debate Melo's role in that they can do so without me. Ill say this if it makes you happy... if the next 7 years are much better than the last (and I think they will be) it will be about the team and the front office, not about Melo vs. KP.
Takes more than 1 guy... hopefully we have finally figured that out

Agree and understand most of what your saying. However, think the talk in last two posts is not about debating the overall opinion of the Melo era. Agree...that debate is old, has passed and everyone has made up where they stand on that issue. Jrod's point and now mine is that it is hypocritical for some to defend KP (ONE Player) yet also blamed Melo ("ONE player) for the same exact scenerio in which we were not good enough to win yet blamed the star as major reason. I have been consistent and have defended all Knicks players when haters try to make them the only reason we are losing(Except for Noah, Grant, Rose and all our D League Cast), while ignoring other obvious factors. Specially when the player they are complaining about is our best player, future great and top in the league. But fair enough, maybe I jumped the gun on guys voicing their opinion and discontent with a players performance, by calling them "Haters". I'll try to stay consistent.

The truth is that no matter what anyone says, KP is our best player and one of the best in the league. As was Melo. The thing for fans to realize is that it is up to the front office to put the right pieces around them. Something that was not done with Melo, IMO. Hope we dont give up on KP and do what we did with Melo. Think KP can be a piece that can make us a very good team if we do.